John_Falstaff wrote: »xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »How about this... we stop asking for nerfs? I know thats a radical concept.
I agree with you^
I just think many people are uniformed and still frustrated, since ZoS finally moved away from the Sorc and NB meta quite awhile ago.
Honestly, in PvP I see more stamina versions of the classes rn than anything else. DKs have become rather popular but overall it is a good mixture of classes and better than it was.
Best to play more than one class in PvP which makes it more fun and less boring.
Now, if performance would be the main focus that would be go a long way.
Some slight buffs are needed for classes that is all. If the said class were so great, they would be the only class played, they’re not so....time to move on.
PvP comment in a (well-informed, backed with parses) discussion on PvE matter, how quaint.
xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »How about this... we stop asking for nerfs? I know thats a radical concept.
I agree with you^
I just think many people are uniformed and still frustrated, since ZoS finally moved away from the Sorc and NB meta quite awhile ago.
Honestly, in PvP I see more stamina versions of the classes rn than anything else. DKs have become rather popular but overall it is a good mixture of classes and better than it was.
Best to play more than one class in PvP which makes it more fun and less boring.
Now, if performance would be the main focus that would be go a long way.
Some slight buffs are needed for classes that is all. If the said class were so great, they would be the only class played, they’re not so....time to move on.
PvP comment in a (well-informed, backed with parses) discussion on PvE matter, how quaint.
Sorry you’re frustrated but it did overlap. Though that said stamplars are not the go to for PvE, when you have StamNecros and many other classs that just have a better overall kit. They are part of the picture but not the only part. Maybe play more than NB.
I don’t trust a still image. Especially when you have someone like Liko with far more experience.
Not trying to be rude but you just seem like you want to bash a class because you’re not happy with where you’re at.
xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »How about this... we stop asking for nerfs? I know thats a radical concept.
I agree with you^
I just think many people are uniformed and still frustrated, since ZoS finally moved away from the Sorc and NB meta quite awhile ago.
Honestly, in PvP I see more stamina versions of the classes rn than anything else. DKs have become rather popular but overall it is a good mixture of classes and better than it was.
Best to play more than one class in PvP which makes it more fun and less boring.
Now, if performance would be the main focus that would be go a long way.
Some slight buffs are needed for classes that is all. If the said class were so great, they would be the only class played, they’re not so....time to move on.
John_Falstaff wrote: »xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »How about this... we stop asking for nerfs? I know thats a radical concept.
I agree with you^
I just think many people are uniformed and still frustrated, since ZoS finally moved away from the Sorc and NB meta quite awhile ago.
Honestly, in PvP I see more stamina versions of the classes rn than anything else. DKs have become rather popular but overall it is a good mixture of classes and better than it was.
Best to play more than one class in PvP which makes it more fun and less boring.
Now, if performance would be the main focus that would be go a long way.
Some slight buffs are needed for classes that is all. If the said class were so great, they would be the only class played, they’re not so....time to move on.
PvP comment in a (well-informed, backed with parses) discussion on PvE matter, how quaint.
Sorry you’re frustrated but it did overlap. Though that said stamplars are not the go to for PvE, when you have StamNecros and many other classs that just have a better overall kit. They are part of the picture but not the only part. Maybe play more than NB.
I don’t trust a still image. Especially when you have someone like Liko with far more experience.
Not trying to be rude but you just seem like you want to bash a class because you’re not happy with where you’re at.
Amused rather than frustrated. PvP crowd is very one-sided. And just so you know, necros have own problems (including, say, losing a good deal of damage this patch to bug in blastbones crit). So, bottom line, you have a bunch of empty words about "frustration", "not enjoying a class", all that noise, and on another hand, we have 81k one skill parse. I am sorry, but it doesn't really matter what you trust or don't trust, facts are stubborn things. ^^ To me it seems like you're a stamplar main who's defending own right to perform better than other classes without investing any actual skill.
xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »How about this... we stop asking for nerfs? I know thats a radical concept.
I agree with you^
I just think many people are uniformed and still frustrated, since ZoS finally moved away from the Sorc and NB meta quite awhile ago.
Honestly, in PvP I see more stamina versions of the classes rn than anything else. DKs have become rather popular but overall it is a good mixture of classes and better than it was.
Best to play more than one class in PvP which makes it more fun and less boring.
Now, if performance would be the main focus that would be go a long way.
Some slight buffs are needed for classes that is all. If the said class were so great, they would be the only class played, they’re not so....time to move on.
PvP comment in a (well-informed, backed with parses) discussion on PvE matter, how quaint.
Sorry you’re frustrated but it did overlap. Though that said stamplars are not the go to for PvE, when you have StamNecros and many other classs that just have a better overall kit. They are part of the picture but not the only part. Maybe play more than NB.
I don’t trust a still image. Especially when you have someone like Liko with far more experience.
Not trying to be rude but you just seem like you want to bash a class because you’re not happy with where you’re at.
Amused rather than frustrated. PvP crowd is very one-sided. And just so you know, necros have own problems (including, say, losing a good deal of damage this patch to bug in blastbones crit). So, bottom line, you have a bunch of empty words about "frustration", "not enjoying a class", all that noise, and on another hand, we have 81k one skill parse. I am sorry, but it doesn't really matter what you trust or don't trust, facts are stubborn things. ^^ To me it seems like you're a stamplar main who's defending own right to perform better than other classes without investing any actual skill.
Nah, I am not and you would know that if you ever bothered reading what I like. I don’t main any class but play multiple classes 1 v X for my enjoyment and challenge. PvP is also but anything but one sided, tbh.
Though honestly answer these questions....
Are you happy with the class you play?
What class(s) do you play?
What would you like changed with those classes that would make them more enjoyable again?
I don’t think people should bash another class if they are not having fun because of themselves. That is all.
Pointed out Liko because he actually does have mad experience that is trustworthy. Plus, he seems unbiased for the most part and is a nice guy.
Maybe ask him for tips if you’re so frustrated....
He is an amazing dps for Hodor that shares kindly with other players.
From what I can see so far, you just have another agenda and it clearly shows.
xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »How about this... we stop asking for nerfs? I know thats a radical concept.
I agree with you^
I just think many people are uniformed and still frustrated, since ZoS finally moved away from the Sorc and NB meta quite awhile ago.
Honestly, in PvP I see more stamina versions of the classes rn than anything else. DKs have become rather popular but overall it is a good mixture of classes and better than it was.
Best to play more than one class in PvP which makes it more fun and less boring.
Now, if performance would be the main focus that would be go a long way.
Some slight buffs are needed for classes that is all. If the said class were so great, they would be the only class played, they’re not so....time to move on.
PvP comment in a (well-informed, backed with parses) discussion on PvE matter, how quaint.
Sorry you’re frustrated but it did overlap. Though that said stamplars are not the go to for PvE, when you have StamNecros and many other classs that just have a better overall kit. They are part of the picture but not the only part. Maybe play more than NB.
I don’t trust a still image. Especially when you have someone like Liko with far more experience.
Not trying to be rude but you just seem like you want to bash a class because you’re not happy with where you’re at.
Amused rather than frustrated. PvP crowd is very one-sided. And just so you know, necros have own problems (including, say, losing a good deal of damage this patch to bug in blastbones crit). So, bottom line, you have a bunch of empty words about "frustration", "not enjoying a class", all that noise, and on another hand, we have 81k one skill parse. I am sorry, but it doesn't really matter what you trust or don't trust, facts are stubborn things. ^^ To me it seems like you're a stamplar main who's defending own right to perform better than other classes without investing any actual skill.
Nah, I am not and you would know that if you ever bothered reading what I like. I don’t main any class but play multiple classes 1 v X for my enjoyment and challenge. PvP is also but anything but one sided, tbh.
Though honestly answer these questions....
Are you happy with the class you play?
What class(s) do you play?
What would you like changed with those classes that would make them more enjoyable again?
I don’t think people should bash another class if they are not having fun because of themselves. That is all.
Pointed out Liko because he actually does have mad experience that is trustworthy. Plus, he seems unbiased for the most part and is a nice guy.
Maybe ask him for tips if you’re so frustrated....
He is an amazing dps for Hodor that shares kindly with other players.
From what I can see so far, you just have another agenda and it clearly shows.
Curious_Death wrote: »Czekoludek wrote: »
If you include a dmg set in par with relequeen and light attack weaving into your parse (+ dmg set on par with selene) then go ahead with your magblade.
Those 80k parses are with relequeen, LA weaving and selenes. Remove all dmg but jabs and burning light and you'll land around 50k (give or take) on the raid dummy.
Still i dont see any other spammable that hits 50k just like that, witohut anything else - many templars i kill just moving a side or ... simply roll dodge thru them and combo my skills on his back same with dawnbringer
ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »How about this... we stop asking for nerfs? I know thats a radical concept.
I agree with you^
I just think many people are uniformed and still frustrated, since ZoS finally moved away from the Sorc and NB meta quite awhile ago.
Honestly, in PvP I see more stamina versions of the classes rn than anything else. DKs have become rather popular but overall it is a good mixture of classes and better than it was.
Best to play more than one class in PvP which makes it more fun and less boring.
Now, if performance would be the main focus that would be go a long way.
Some slight buffs are needed for classes that is all. If the said class were so great, they would be the only class played, they’re not so....time to move on.
In relation to the PVP/PVE overlap- I wish they'd just split PVP and PVE balances into two separate skill tabs. That way balances could be made for PVP without touching PVE. The PVP tab would only apply in PVP zones or when the character enters combat with another player in a duel. And as an added bonus, the same character could be used for both PVP and PVE without needing to respec. I think we'd see a wider variety of classes in PVP then, and perhaps more variation in specialized skills for either type of gameplay.
ACamaroGuy wrote: »Has anybody heard a rumor about the Templar jabs getting a cooldown nerf?
nud3_voxel wrote: »Wow, cropping cmx parses to remove the name and claiming it's your parse. lmao 2020 is a crazy year.
Czekoludek wrote: »Littlebluelizard wrote: »Haven't heard such a thing. I don't even think jabs needs nerfing tbh, the skill is a noob stomper, not OP necessarily. You can't braindead face tank it, you have to roll dodge through it, stun mid jabs, kite to the sides a bit and etc.
EDIT:Czekoludek wrote: »Well for jabs you should expect nerfs. You can parse 80k+ on trial dummy with right gear by only doing jabs. No hail, no dots, just jabs
Can you post CMX? I know you can get 40k+ on 6m with jabs only, because I have lol. but 80k on triall dummy? I think that's an exaggeration.
And that is great ZOS balance. As magblade main I need to weave perfectly, do whole rotation and have good ping. All that I can achieve on stamplar with just one button. Enjoy the parse of this really hard to achieve, meta rota
We have a templar meta since one year already.... I mean, normaly I'm against nerfs, but this is what happend with templar is just ridiculus... They have nerfed NB to the ground, just to make Templar a godmode... Combat team clearly has no idea where they are going... If one class gets best spammable, best heal, best defense, best dot and cheap cleanse on the top of that then whats the point of all these nerfs in the past?
We have a templar meta since one year already.... I mean, normaly I'm against nerfs, but this is what happend with templar is just ridiculus... They have nerfed NB to the ground, just to make Templar a godmode... Combat team clearly has no idea where they are going... If one class gets best spammable, best heal, best defense, best dot and cheap cleanse on the top of that then whats the point of all these nerfs in the past?
Templar meta for the last year? Lmao, the only meta right now is stamcro and stamden, everything else is just underperforming in comparison.
Magplar were overtuned in scalebreaker for sure, but not any more.
ACamaroGuy wrote: »Has anybody heard a rumor about the Templar jabs getting a cooldown nerf?
Jabs are utter trash anyways cooldown added or not..it's trash...
Thank You,
Best Templar In the Game
EDIT: Ok how do I do 50k dps with jsut jabs?.. before I leave this game I want my vMoL skin
OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »We have a templar meta since one year already.... I mean, normaly I'm against nerfs, but this is what happend with templar is just ridiculus... They have nerfed NB to the ground, just to make Templar a godmode... Combat team clearly has no idea where they are going... If one class gets best spammable, best heal, best defense, best dot and cheap cleanse on the top of that then whats the point of all these nerfs in the past?
Templar meta for the last year? Lmao, the only meta right now is stamcro and stamden, everything else is just underperforming in comparison.
Magplar were overtuned in scalebreaker for sure, but not any more.
What do you mean AoE Meta or Ganking Meta? For example, Mag sorc on Bg is still Meta. It allows the new player to just dress properly and Sorc will carry him. But I agree that Templar is fine.
OrderoftheDarkness wrote: »We have a templar meta since one year already.... I mean, normaly I'm against nerfs, but this is what happend with templar is just ridiculus... They have nerfed NB to the ground, just to make Templar a godmode... Combat team clearly has no idea where they are going... If one class gets best spammable, best heal, best defense, best dot and cheap cleanse on the top of that then whats the point of all these nerfs in the past?
Templar meta for the last year? Lmao, the only meta right now is stamcro and stamden, everything else is just underperforming in comparison.
Magplar were overtuned in scalebreaker for sure, but not any more.
What do you mean AoE Meta or Ganking Meta? For example, Mag sorc on Bg is still Meta. It allows the new player to just dress properly and Sorc will carry him. But I agree that Templar is fine.
I don't know about meta, but last week I played BGs 2 to 3 hours every day, and the majority of the players were DKs followed by sorcs and wardens. Xbox NA
The problem is not jabs, it's the synergy with deadly strikes.
It's not that jabs are so good, it's that after all these nerfs to dots and buffs to certain sets jabs came out on top.
You nerf jabs, and then what? Are you gonna ruin stamplar? And what about the magicka morph?
John_Falstaff wrote: »The problem is not jabs, it's the synergy with deadly strikes.
It's not that jabs are so good, it's that after all these nerfs to dots and buffs to certain sets jabs came out on top.
You nerf jabs, and then what? Are you gonna ruin stamplar? And what about the magicka morph?
That's part of it, but the 81k parse above doesn't use deadly strikes. If I got it right, it's Relequen + Lokke + Selene.
John_Falstaff wrote: »The problem is not jabs, it's the synergy with deadly strikes.
It's not that jabs are so good, it's that after all these nerfs to dots and buffs to certain sets jabs came out on top.
You nerf jabs, and then what? Are you gonna ruin stamplar? And what about the magicka morph?
That's part of it, but the 81k parse above doesn't use deadly strikes. If I got it right, it's Relequen + Lokke + Selene.
Yea it's lokke.
It's a bit of a strange situation, because if they nerf jabs, stamplar damage will definitely suffer a lot, and you can kiss goodbye to any magicka templar that uses sweeps, if they just nerf the skill.
Anyway, this has only been a problem recently, with all the dot nerfs, that pushed specs to a more frontloaded type of damage, so my guess is that people are complaining about it, now, because of it. The damage of the skill has not been changed for a long time, what changed is the environment.
Also, people have to consider than jabs and sweeps must be a stronger spammable compared to others simply because it has a channel, and that means less light attacks.
ValueDrift wrote: »Stamplar rotation has hail, ritual, beast trap, power of the light and jabs, and rune for sustain. Six skills, no different from other stamina classes. The fact that the class passive is procced by jabs rather than actually being a passive just stacks the damage into jabs, but it doesn't matter where the damage comes from, just how much of it there is.
John_Falstaff wrote: »ValueDrift wrote: »Stamplar rotation has hail, ritual, beast trap, power of the light and jabs, and rune for sustain. Six skills, no different from other stamina classes. The fact that the class passive is procced by jabs rather than actually being a passive just stacks the damage into jabs, but it doesn't matter where the damage comes from, just how much of it there is.
Well. As you see, you can use one skill for 81k, no bar swaps, nothing else, and sustain is just wonderful on the parse above. How much are you hitting on, say, a magblade, and how much practice you have to put in for that?
ValueDrift wrote: »John_Falstaff wrote: »ValueDrift wrote: »Stamplar rotation has hail, ritual, beast trap, power of the light and jabs, and rune for sustain. Six skills, no different from other stamina classes. The fact that the class passive is procced by jabs rather than actually being a passive just stacks the damage into jabs, but it doesn't matter where the damage comes from, just how much of it there is.
Well. As you see, you can use one skill for 81k, no bar swaps, nothing else, and sustain is just wonderful on the parse above. How much are you hitting on, say, a magblade, and how much practice you have to put in for that?
No point in comparing magbuilds to stambuilds, all magbuilds underperform. But again, I'm fine with moving damage from jabs/burning light to other stamplar skills, as it is irrelevant where the damage comes from, as long as it's there.