Would you buy ESO again if it's rebuilt around a modern game engine?

woufff · March 2020

Yes

Certainly, ESO is for me still the best MMO, so no problem, money is not an issue if it is worth it as I consider this a hobby (I have tried modeltrains, for one locomotive there you get ESO with all chapters and ESO+ for three years

Nyladreas · March 2020

Yes

Chicharron wrote: »

New engine new team: yes

New engine same team: no

This. And open communication mandatory.

WiseSky · March 2020

Yes

Any mmo that is not P2W with good lore and voice acting has my $$, graphics are a + for sure.

5cript · March 2020

Yes

After reading the comments, I feel like i should change my answer.

Defilted · March 2020

Undecided

JakaWild · March 2020

barney2525 wrote: »

I'm still not gonna make any judgments until they have completed ALL of the performance project. They have completed 1 out of 4. Yeah, it's gonna take a year to complete, but That is when I will evaluate things. Makes no sense tom complain at this point when we know they have not finished this project.

IMHO

This isn't true.#1 was update 24.That was the memory management patch and that gave us the memory leak.Then they had to fix that.#2 was update 25 and we all know how that went.Not looking good for so called performance improvements when 2 of 4 have been bad and needed fixing right after they release.

-edit
just wanna throw this in there.We are pretty much at the end of Q1 with update 25.
This is from ESO's own performance improvements plan of just update 25.

User Experience: Major improvement in load times, streaming of assets, and reliability of asset loads, especially on consoles.
User Experience: Better load times, fewer “shadow” player silhouettes.
User Experience: A smoother, more responsive experience in combat situations.
User Experience: Smoother, faster frame rates.
User Experience: A more responsive experience, especially in intense or high bandwidth situations (i.e., places where large groups of players are found)

anyone getting any of this? I for sure am not.It's the exact same if not worse in some of these areas.

whitecrow · March 2020

Could you explain what a "modern game engine" would change about the game?

Shantu · March 2020

No

Not with this combat crew at the helm.

ghastley · March 2020

No

whitecrow wrote: »

Could you explain what a "modern game engine" would change about the game?

Perhaps not being available on consoles?

Chicharron · March 2020

Aikar wrote: »

Speaking as a Sr. Software Engineer/Game Developer with 20+ years of experience and a strong focus in, guess what, Performance!

My vote is Other: Not Needed.

Take a good luck at the roadmap for improvements coming up.

You know what those paragraphs say to me?

It says that ZoS had/has someone who actually knows what they are doing involved.

Why? Because the areas they have identified and wrote about are STRONG contenders to improve performance.
The solutions they have then supplied are strong and well-worded solutions to these issues.

It takes a good level of skill to even IDENTIFY and WRITE those words they have written.
It then takes another level of skill to then determine that, yes, we CAN achieve these on top of our current engine.

That fact says good things about the engine. The fact they are ABLE to make such large refactors to it means the quality is actually some level of decent.

Multithreading is really difficult. To be able to multithread as much as they are aiming for is a really good thing.

It means they have engineers that are a decent enough skill level to know HOW to refactor the code base to accomplish this.

So no, they don't need a new team or a new engine.

I am a network engineer with more than 15 years of experience, the first time there was a problem in the company and I explained to my boss the way to go, he said:

"I didn't understand a [snip] of what you say, the only thing I know is that we have a problem and instead of being here sweetening the problem you should be solving it."

It was the first and last time I explained something, in the end what matters are the results, actions speak louder.

I think that after 6 years it is understandable that their clients are losing patience.

[Edit for minor profanity]

Klad · March 2020

The only thing I'l say is the home brewed engine was a colossal mistake.

It is the reason the PVP game is unplayable
It's why we can't have simple things like Cloaks
it's why we have to keep hammering our ultimate until it finally goes off.
It's why we will never get graphic enhancements.

It is hubris to look at Engines Like Unreal 4 or Unity and say "I can do better"

The mess we now have is the result of that ego.

remilafo · March 2020

No

it's not the engine's fault... Changing engine is not gonna magically fix things if everything else stayed the same..

Cyrodil is the place you can look first for bad performance issues but once upon a time it worked fine back in 2014 with 100v100v100 battles with no lag.

yodased · March 2020

No

It is built on a modern engine. It has the latest physics models. It uses some of the latest tech in facial animations and rendering possible.

Would you let someone who just crashed your ferrari drive your lamgorghini?

ACaptiveMind · March 2020

No

No free upgrade? I have to pay once for content, then again to have it function? NTY.

(I have no complaints about performance because I've been on break and haven't seen any, responding to the theoretical)

idk · March 2020

LOL. I guess OP is not aware of the development time required for a game like ESO. By the time it is finished the engine is older. I do understand not everyone is aware of such things.

Granicus · March 2020

No

No

I’ve already paid for it once and this company is chronically FAILING at providing what I have paid for. Why would I give them any more money to try again and, based on their track record, fail again? I’ve not ordered Greymore and don’t plan to do so.

There are too many problems in this otherwise great game that haven’t been addressed, despite many promises to do so. Far too much emphasis on overpriced Crown Store trinkets and not enough on fixing issues and actually communicating with customers. I cringe whenever they patch something because I know they will break more things.

Further, beyond money, I have spent a LOT of time in this version. I would not want to have to start over because this company didn’t get it right the first time around. I don’t think the issues we are having is mostly an engine problem. It’s a loss of focus and priority on the most impactful issues, which inevitably means it is a Management problem.

Should I still be around when their grand drawn out improvement plan actually works I’ll be pleased but right now I see too many issues with this company’s priorities to hold out much hope.

IndianaJames7 · March 2020

Yes

Aikar wrote: »

Speaking as a Sr. Software Engineer/Game Developer with 20+ years of experience and a strong focus in, guess what, Performance!

My vote is Other: Not Needed.

Take a good luck at the roadmap for improvements coming up.

You know what those paragraphs say to me?

It says that ZoS had/has someone who actually knows what they are doing involved.

Why? Because the areas they have identified and wrote about are STRONG contenders to improve performance.
The solutions they have then supplied are strong and well-worded solutions to these issues.

It takes a good level of skill to even IDENTIFY and WRITE those words they have written.
It then takes another level of skill to then determine that, yes, we CAN achieve these on top of our current engine.

That fact says good things about the engine. The fact they are ABLE to make such large refactors to it means the quality is actually some level of decent.

Multithreading is really difficult. To be able to multithread as much as they are aiming for is a really good thing.

It means they have engineers that are a decent enough skill level to know HOW to refactor the code base to accomplish this.

So no, they don't need a new team or a new engine.

Not questioning your knowledge or expertise here, but talk is cheap. We are already 2 ‘performance updates’ in and games gotten worse. So I don’t care how much understanding you think their game plan shows. I’ll believe they give a s*** if/when things actually get better.

Finedaible · March 2020

No

Cavedog wrote: »

Finedaible wrote: »

No, because a game is more than the engine it was made on. No game has magically had its problems solved by trying to implement another engine (and essentially rebuild the game from scratch for no reason).

ESO's problems stem from terrible management and overly greedy gamble-crate buffoons after an easy cash-grab for minimal effort or quality.

Wasn't final fanstasy rebuilt from the ground up and re-released? ...and I think there are some very good reasons to begin a ground up rebuild of ESO.

I never played that game but as far as I know, they never implemented an entirely new engine when they "rebuilt" FF XIV into "A Realm Reborn." Square Enix seems to have learned from their mistakes based on player feedback - something Zo$ seems incapable of - and rebuilt the core mechanics of the game world to something that was more respectful to the player experience. It shows that Square actually cared about making a quality game with enjoyable content rather than a cash-grab machine. This is what separates good studios from greedy ones.

ArcVelarian · March 2020

Gythral wrote: »

It's not the 'game' engine but the server dbase engine that is 2 decades out of touch & management that is current with ROI practice

So no, not paying for reworking the wrong thing & changing the wrong practices...

This, so much this. They need to stop using servers that run on malnourished hamsters.

Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo · March 2020

Yes

It would be like in 10-15 years if it was a thing which I doubt it would be.

Imza · March 2020

No

I would hope that I would be invited to the BETA testing so that I could make an informed decision...
Unless they change the UI and their priority for dealing with issues in the game most likely I would not buy it

Imza · March 2020

No

danthemann5 wrote: »

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

fool me thrice - teach me how!

mayasunrising · March 2020

Yes

I definitely would! I think the game is amazing. But it's also true that currently performance is just horrid. Some lag is to be expected with online games, but the dsync, the mis-firing (or not firing) skills, and the disconnects and freezes. That's a bit much.

I hope someday they do do an ESO2

Anhedonie · March 2020

Yes

Yes, but if the devs add less punishing soft caps, remove cp system, remove all damage shields and remove omnidirectional blocking.

Waynerx8 · March 2020

No

Not with the same devs.

LuxLunae · March 2020

if they fixed the break free twice bug....and they didn't compromise some huge game mechanic

No need to we have a bright future...

else

yes otherwise...

Kamchuk · March 2020

Yes

Yes - just like I upgrade to the latest Microsoft Office and Windows products. ESO V2 built using the latest computer technology (CPU and Graphics cards) would be what they need to do to survive. This game is 6+ years old. If they can incorporate multi-threaded code execution and take advantage of the latest GPUs (i.e. NVIDIA 2080 TI with RTX), then I would upgrade. But they need to resolve the desync and performance issues. Nothing else matters until they resolve those.

This is an awesome game - no other is like it - but if they cannot upgrade it to the latest technology then they are done. And we will move on to the competition.

Jaraal · March 2020

Yes

ACaptiveMind wrote: »

No free upgrade? I have to pay once for content, then again to have it function? NTY

How would that work, anyway?

Let's say, hypothetically, that ZOS said they were remaking ESO with a new engine and new servers, and they will let you port all your toons and stats over to the new server with a new file dowload, for 50, 75, 100 bucks... somewhere in that range.

Will you:

a) Remain on the current buggy server, with half or less of the population that remains, with no guarantee of continued support, or

b) Pay a fee to have your gaming experience (hopefully) run smoother, with better speed and graphics and potential extended longevity?

Kamchuk · March 2020

Yes

Jaraal wrote: »

ACaptiveMind wrote: »

No free upgrade? I have to pay once for content, then again to have it function? NTY

How would that work, anyway?

Let's say, hypothetically, that ZOS said they were remaking ESO with a new engine and new servers, and they will let you port all your toons and stats over to the new server with a new file dowload, for 50, 75, 100 bucks... somewhere in that range.

Will you:

a) Remain on the current buggy server, with half or less of the population that remains, with no guarantee of continued support, or

b) Pay a fee to have your gaming experience (hopefully) run smoother, with better graphics and potenial extended longevity?

Yes - I would pay if they bring this game up from the current, buggy technology. If they let us port our toons to the new release, that would be fantastic. Name one game that is like this one. If this was brought up to year 2020 standards in terms of computer technology, this game could go on for another 10 years. This could be a ZOS cash cow.

newtinmpls · March 2020

Yes

I love TES in general.

Yes, Imma buy it - whatever "it" is.