Would you buy ESO again if it's rebuilt around a modern game engine?

Cavedog · March 2020

I absolutely love the game of ESO. It's hands down the best game ever created in my opinion. However, perennial performance issues are crushing peoples ability to play and enjoy the game as intended.

How many would buy this game and expansions all over again if they rebuilt it around a modern game engine and solved the performance issues once and for all? In my opinion, they only have a couple more patches before they're going to have to admit to themselves a ground up rebuild is necessary and worth the investment.

Muizer · March 2020

Yes

I would, but I really cannot imagine a rebuild from the ground up is even remotely likely to happen. So, nice hypothetical question, but that is about it.

RefLiberty · March 2020

It is not going to happen, why you even open those kind of threads.

D0PAMINE · March 2020

No

@Cavedog As much as I would like the chance that the game would run better, I cannot justify buying a game I already bought when as a customer, the issues are at fault of the manufacturer.

Irfind · March 2020

Yes

ESO 2 ^^

Sylvermynx · March 2020

Yes

Absolutely. But I don't think it's at all likely to happen.

AgaTheGreat · March 2020

No

No. You shouldn't make the same mistake twice.

Chicharron · March 2020

New engine new team: yes

New engine same team: no

Finedaible · March 2020

No

No, because a game is more than the engine it was made on. No game has magically had its problems solved by trying to implement another engine (and essentially rebuild the game from scratch for no reason).

ESO's problems stem from terrible management and overly greedy gamble-crate buffoons after an easy cash-grab for minimal effort or quality.

Cavedog · March 2020

Yes

RefLiberty wrote: »

It is not going to happen, why you even open those kind of threads.

If we demand it to happen, it can happen. Dare to dream my friend. ...someone famous said that once.

Universe · March 2020

No

D0PAMINE wrote: »

@Cavedog As much as I would like the chance that the game would run better, I cannot justify buying a game I already bought when as a customer, the issues are at fault of the manufacturer.

This.
A new game engine isn't an excuse for almost 6 years of mediocre-poor performance.
If ZOS wish to upgrade ESO to a new game engine they are welcome to do so

, but I won't be paying for the same product with a new packing.

Gythral · March 2020

No

It's not the 'game' engine but the server dbase engine that is 2 decades out of touch & management that is current with ROI practice

So no, not paying for reworking the wrong thing & changing the wrong practices...

Jaraal · March 2020

Yes

Yes, but only if they brought in a new team to do it.

..... and I'll leave it at that.

snoozy · March 2020

Yes

if it worked, yes. but with a new combat team please.
i love the game but the current team is letting it go downhill

relentless_turnip · March 2020

Yes

I love this game and would really like to.
I am afraid if it was the same developers it might not be maintained and would be terrible within a few years...
The current performance is shocking, I don't know why they aren't talking to us.

Elsonso · March 2020

The answer is yes, same as it was back in 2014.

bmnoble · March 2020

No

No I would expect them to do the exact same thing they did just recently with this re download the game they made us all do.

If they were to just re make the game as an upgrade of what it already is I would expect it to be given to all the people who have already bought and supported the game via sub and the crown store over the years.

However if they were to make a brand new game with completely new content I might buy it after seeing the reviews.

That said I have no desire to start fresh in an ESO 2 anytime soon, would rather they just fix the performance issues in ESO than try to put it in the too hard basket and move on.

Cavedog · March 2020

Yes

Finedaible wrote: »

No, because a game is more than the engine it was made on. No game has magically had its problems solved by trying to implement another engine (and essentially rebuild the game from scratch for no reason).

ESO's problems stem from terrible management and overly greedy gamble-crate buffoons after an easy cash-grab for minimal effort or quality.

Wasn't final fanstasy rebuilt from the ground up and re-released? ...and I think there are some very good reasons to begin a ground up rebuild of ESO.

Seminolegirl1992 · March 2020

No

I don't have that kind of money and/or time to reinvest all that.

danthemann5 · March 2020

No

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

xXMeowMeowXx · March 2020

No

No, I already paid for everything and invested much more money then just for the chapters and dlc’

Sounds to me like the rebuilt version should be a complementary upgrade to all eso players....

Just like the crimson torch bug was given for our patience.

Aikar · March 2020

Speaking as a Sr. Software Engineer/Game Developer with 20+ years of experience and a strong focus in, guess what, Performance!

My vote is Other: Not Needed.

Take a good luck at the roadmap for improvements coming up.

You know what those paragraphs say to me?

It says that ZoS had/has someone who actually knows what they are doing involved.

Why? Because the areas they have identified and wrote about are STRONG contenders to improve performance.
The solutions they have then supplied are strong and well-worded solutions to these issues.

It takes a good level of skill to even IDENTIFY and WRITE those words they have written.
It then takes another level of skill to then determine that, yes, we CAN achieve these on top of our current engine.

That fact says good things about the engine. The fact they are ABLE to make such large refactors to it means the quality is actually some level of decent.

Multithreading is really difficult. To be able to multithread as much as they are aiming for is a really good thing.

It means they have engineers that are a decent enough skill level to know HOW to refactor the code base to accomplish this.

So no, they don't need a new team or a new engine.

Starlock · March 2020

I can’t vote in the poll because I’m a solid maybe.

It would depend entirely on the monetization. I never would have picked this game up if I knew how bad the monetization was going to get. And I wouldn’t buy it today if it had all the monetization it does at present. They would need to return to a more ethical monetization model for me to buy in, and... sadly I just don’t see that happening.

Tigerseye · March 2020

Yes

Probably.

Unless something went really wrong with the way it looked, or our characters looked (not that they look perfect now!), or something.

However, if it really was just a continuation of the current game and not a completely new game, I would want all progress and purchases (including decorated houses) carried over.

I have only been back for 2.5 years and would not be at all happy to just leave everything behind and start over, from scratch.

Tigerseye · March 2020

Yes

Jaraal wrote: »

Yes, but only if they brought in a new team to do it.

..... and I'll leave it at that.

I don't think switching teams, all the time, really helps.

If, just as they're getting to grips with how everything works, they are fired and replaced, all the time, that isn't going to get us anywhere.

Of course, if someone is found to be genuinely incompetent, then fair enough.

Banana · March 2020

Yes

With someone else looking after all the code and network stuff preferably

Cavedog · March 2020

Yes

Aikar wrote: »

Speaking as a Sr. Software Engineer/Game Developer with 20+ years of experience and a strong focus in, guess what, Performance!

My vote is Other: Not Needed.

Take a good luck at the roadmap for improvements coming up.

You know what those paragraphs say to me?

It says that ZoS had/has someone who actually knows what they are doing involved.

Why? Because the areas they have identified and wrote about are STRONG contenders to improve performance.
The solutions they have then supplied are strong and well-worded solutions to these issues.

It takes a good level of skill to even IDENTIFY and WRITE those words they have written.
It then takes another level of skill to then determine that, yes, we CAN achieve these on top of our current engine.

That fact says good things about the engine. The fact they are ABLE to make such large refactors to it means the quality is actually some level of decent.

Multithreading is really difficult. To be able to multithread as much as they are aiming for is a really good thing.

It means they have engineers that are a decent enough skill level to know HOW to refactor the code base to accomplish this.

So no, they don't need a new team or a new engine.

That was a really good explanation. Thank you for taking the time to type it out.

My thinking is based more on so many years of them telling us they will fix things, and things not getting fixed. I'm hopeful, but will be doubtful until things actually are fixed. But again, thank you for taking the time to make a well reasoned, thoughtful post.

freespirit · March 2020

I voted yes BUT I'm quite happy with the game as it is atm...…

Admittedly I have not ventured into Cyro lately but I have done all types of PVE stuff with no issue.

I am genuinely curious why some people have horrible problems and others have none, I've been in groups where everyone is DC-ing and I don't, what is the factor that causes that?

I run 10-15 addons most are map/discovery related or trading(MM and TTC), is it addons causing issues? My PC is 2yrs old but was top notch back then and I have 32gb of ram...…. I often wonder if that ram is what keeps me in game when others crash.

PC-EU btw

geonsocal · March 2020

are you on drugs cavedog?

if so: *** share...

I buy a new *** eso every god damn year...once upon a time they were DLCs, then someone smart realized they could get an extra $60 usd from us every year and named them "chapters"...

so, just for curiosity's sake - what would happen with the current game..

would this just be another game, with the same name...

are you on drugs cavedog...

Nemesis7884 · March 2020

Yes

i mean i would also buy any other new mmorpg that i think looked interesting

barney2525 · March 2020

I'm still not gonna make any judgments until they have completed ALL of the performance project. They have completed 1 out of 4. Yeah, it's gonna take a year to complete, but That is when I will evaluate things. Makes no sense tom complain at this point when we know they have not finished this project.

IMHO

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