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ESO death recap : Greed. 1m dmg.
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FierceSam✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Donny_Vito wrote: »So, is the sky falling for ESO again??
Yeah we all are just paranoid that are disconnected from reality... If there were only a reason...
Perpetuating the delusion that forum posters (however lovely they are) are even vaguely representative of the playerbase at large.
A loud noise on the forums has almost no correlation with the game’s performance overall.
Forums are a self-reinforcing conversational vacuum.3 -
Defilted✭✭✭✭✭
✭Performance on XboxNA for me has been the same after the update. Block change was a small learning curve.
Best change is doors work with one button press now in cryo.XBOX NA
XBOX Series X
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Mayrael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Donny_Vito wrote: »So, is the sky falling for ESO again??
Yeah we all are just paranoid that are disconnected from reality... If there were only a reason...
Perpetuating the delusion that forum posters (however lovely they are) are even vaguely representative of the playerbase at large.
A loud noise on the forums has almost no correlation with the game’s performance overall.
Forums are a self-reinforcing conversational vacuum.
Challange accepted. If I will be able I'll make some screen shot of people complaining about performance in game. Will this make me less delusional?
Or it will it be still not enough? The lag is here, desyncs are here, we are not making this up, for what mad reason we would? What would we achieve with it? Many of us is here since launch, all we want is working game that runs at least ok. It doesnt have to be <10ms. If it will be real 80-100ms we would praise ZOS to the heavens, even REAL <150ms would be fine (and don't start with what are your specs because my spec allow me to run much newer and more demanding games, also my connection is more than enough to handle ESO - even if not, there are people with high end setups that should work much better than mine but somehow we all have the same issues).
I dont know what you are trying to achieve? You try to say the game performance is fine? Nothing has to be done? It's ok for you?
And about representative playerbase... You know what statistics is? On what fundaments it is based? What is representative group and how it built? Yes forum users may not be the best representative group, but claiming their opinion means nothing is very arrogant, who decides about that? You? I still think that majority of forum users is more representative than single forum user meaning e.g. you or me."We are currently investigating connection issues some players are having on the European megaservers. We will update as new information becomes available."
— They always claim they’re “investigating” the causes, but in reality they’re just waiting until the PC EU players go to bed. Once that happens, you can suddenly log in again and they happily mark the issue as Fixed.10 -
Universe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I've said it many times, they need to give up on content (and asinine OTT nerfs) for a year and just hit performance.
That is one more issue.
If they do that they will basically say "this game has no new direction for the time being".
This is an extremely risky move for an MMO which should be evergrowing until servers are shut down or the development team stops the development phase and only keep the servers and maintenance.
ZOS needs to allocate more resources to bug fixes, performance and combat balance Updates but not to stop the wheel of development.
They can slow it down for a bit but not entirely.
The player base, new & existing players are expecting new content to be released in an MMO.
Personally I disagree. Granted there are players here from the very start, so SOME may have actually done EVERYTHING, for quite a few players there are still enough things they haven't done yet that will be "new" to them while Zo$ buckles down and fixes things. New content doesn't always cater to all types of play, but actually taking one expansion rotation to FIX bugs would help EVERYONE.
I'm not against postponing one Update(i.e 3 months) in favor of improving performance, fixing bugs and balancing the combat.
Though 1 year for only fixing the game while not releasing any new content will be too much.
ESO is competing other games and standing still isn't an option.
Anyway, there are different teams at ZOS. The content & design teams aren't handling the following: bugs fixing, combat balance & performance.
If you will ask a designer and content creator to fix bugs or improving I/O threads coding processes they won't know how to to do it.Edited by Universe on March 18, 2020 10:09PMSome videos I recorded for fun: Main character:
PC EU main: Universe - AD magicka Sorcerer, Former Emperor, Grand Overlord, The Merciless, Trial Bosses Solo Champion
Top alts: Genius(stamina/sagicka Dragonknight) The Force(stamina Nightblade) and other chars.
PC NA main: The Magic - AD magicka Sorcerer
Started playing ESO in beta & early access
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Mayrael✭✭✭✭✭
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Perpetuating the delusion that forum posters (however lovely they are) are even vaguely representative of the playerbase at large.
A loud noise on the forums has almost no correlation with the game’s performance overall.
Forums are a self-reinforcing conversational vacuum.
So I keep my word. This is just few minutes of playing (you can look at time stamp). BTW I do not participate in the conversation at the bottom of the screen, but as you can see I am not the only one surprised.
Boom babe:
"We are currently investigating connection issues some players are having on the European megaservers. We will update as new information becomes available."
— They always claim they’re “investigating” the causes, but in reality they’re just waiting until the PC EU players go to bed. Once that happens, you can suddenly log in again and they happily mark the issue as Fixed.14 -
gatekeeper13✭✭✭✭✭
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No, its not his end. PVP is not working fine for the majority and it has nothing to do with anyone's end. Everyone in Cyro chat zone reports the same thing. Insane lag, skill delay, cant weapon swap, server kicks.
Its 100% server issue.7 -
Mr_Walker✭✭✭✭✭
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I’m not seeing this ‘game breaking’ performance disaster you’re ranting about.That is one more issue.
If they do that they will basically say "this game has no new direction for the time being".
This is an extremely risky move for an MMO which should be evergrowing until servers are shut down or the development team stops the development phase and only keep the servers and maintenance.
Rubbish. They need to fix problems, not maniacally pump out a never ending stream of broken content. A company can't keep pumping out faulty goods and expect to survive/prosper, no matter how much "direction" they have. Business 101.
As it stands the only direction this game is taking right now is down the crapper.
As long as you're OK, it's all good.1 -
Mr_Walker✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Donny_Vito wrote: »
By "we all" are you referring to a few posts on a forum site that is supposed to reflect the whole ESO gaming community? I really hope not, that'd be....
Every single "actively social" person in every guild I belong to is complaining about the performance, not just a few forum shut ins.5 -
FierceSam✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Donny_Vito wrote: »So, is the sky falling for ESO again??
Yeah we all are just paranoid that are disconnected from reality... If there were only a reason...
Perpetuating the delusion that forum posters (however lovely they are) are even vaguely representative of the playerbase at large.
A loud noise on the forums has almost no correlation with the game’s performance overall.
Forums are a self-reinforcing conversational vacuum.
Challange accepted. If I will be able I'll make some screen shot of people complaining about performance in game. Will this make me less delusional? Or it will it be still not enough? The lag is here, desyncs are here, we are not making this up, for what mad reason we would? What would we achieve with it? Many of us is here since launch, all we want is working game that runs at least ok. It doesnt have to be <10ms. If it will be real 80-100ms we would praise ZOS to the heavens, even REAL <150ms would be fine (and don't start with what are your specs because my spec allow me to run much newer and more demanding games, also my connection is more than enough to handle ESO - even if not, there are people with high end setups that should work much better than mine but somehow we all have the same issues).
I dont know what you are trying to achieve? You try to say the game performance is fine? Nothing has to be done? It's ok for you?
And about representative playerbase... You know what statistics is? On what fundaments it is based? What is representative group and how it built? Yes forum users may not be the best representative group, but claiming their opinion means nothing is very arrogant, who decides about that? You? I still think that majority of forum users is more representative than single forum user meaning e.g. you or me.
A small, vocal minority is still a small minority. A vocal minority of forum users is still a relatively insignificant number compared to the number of players overall.
Simply making lots of posts doesn’t reflect the level of interest/frustration/seriousness of an issue.
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Mayrael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Donny_Vito wrote: »So, is the sky falling for ESO again??
Yeah we all are just paranoid that are disconnected from reality... If there were only a reason...
Perpetuating the delusion that forum posters (however lovely they are) are even vaguely representative of the playerbase at large.
A loud noise on the forums has almost no correlation with the game’s performance overall.
Forums are a self-reinforcing conversational vacuum.
Challange accepted. If I will be able I'll make some screen shot of people complaining about performance in game. Will this make me less delusional? Or it will it be still not enough? The lag is here, desyncs are here, we are not making this up, for what mad reason we would? What would we achieve with it? Many of us is here since launch, all we want is working game that runs at least ok. It doesnt have to be <10ms. If it will be real 80-100ms we would praise ZOS to the heavens, even REAL <150ms would be fine (and don't start with what are your specs because my spec allow me to run much newer and more demanding games, also my connection is more than enough to handle ESO - even if not, there are people with high end setups that should work much better than mine but somehow we all have the same issues).
I dont know what you are trying to achieve? You try to say the game performance is fine? Nothing has to be done? It's ok for you?
And about representative playerbase... You know what statistics is? On what fundaments it is based? What is representative group and how it built? Yes forum users may not be the best representative group, but claiming their opinion means nothing is very arrogant, who decides about that? You? I still think that majority of forum users is more representative than single forum user meaning e.g. you or me.
A small, vocal minority is still a small minority. A vocal minority of forum users is still a relatively insignificant number compared to the number of players overall.
Simply making lots of posts doesn’t reflect the level of interest/frustration/seriousness of an issue.
Yes. But you still don't know how statistics works (thus how representative groups works). Forum users are the players who decided to take a part in forums life. Even if forums users are just 1% of player base, if 80% of that 1% have problems with game, according to statistics and common sense we can assume that when you multiply that 1% by 100, we will find that 80% of players in game have the same issues. Relativity. The better representative group is the more accurate total number will be. It's not perfect but it's a lot more accurate than saying "forum users are not reflecting player base".
I have proven you that players in game do have problems and it's not uncommon and proves above. How conveniently you ignore it, repeating words that hold no value and are detached from reality doesn't make you right either. Have you more of that "wisdom"? Wonder why Gina and dev team reacts to our posts? Because we are minority that represents nothing? Then why even have this forums?
[Snip] we need to keep this thread on topic so. During prime time almost all players say they have issues with game latency, the most severe issues are noticed in Cyrodiil, but many of my guild members say they have every day issues in dungeons and in general PvE activities. These are not as big as those in Cyrodiil but are enough to make them unhappy with game performance.
[Edited for baiting]Edited by ZOS_Volpe on March 19, 2020 10:15AM"We are currently investigating connection issues some players are having on the European megaservers. We will update as new information becomes available."
— They always claim they’re “investigating” the causes, but in reality they’re just waiting until the PC EU players go to bed. Once that happens, you can suddenly log in again and they happily mark the issue as Fixed.3 -
Czekoludek✭✭✭✭✭
✭Donny_Vito wrote: »So, is the sky falling for ESO again??
Yeah we all are just paranoid that are disconnected from reality... If there were only a reason...
Perpetuating the delusion that forum posters (however lovely they are) are even vaguely representative of the playerbase at large.
A loud noise on the forums has almost no correlation with the game’s performance overall.
Forums are a self-reinforcing conversational vacuum.
Challange accepted. If I will be able I'll make some screen shot of people complaining about performance in game. Will this make me less delusional? Or it will it be still not enough? The lag is here, desyncs are here, we are not making this up, for what mad reason we would? What would we achieve with it? Many of us is here since launch, all we want is working game that runs at least ok. It doesnt have to be <10ms. If it will be real 80-100ms we would praise ZOS to the heavens, even REAL <150ms would be fine (and don't start with what are your specs because my spec allow me to run much newer and more demanding games, also my connection is more than enough to handle ESO - even if not, there are people with high end setups that should work much better than mine but somehow we all have the same issues).
I dont know what you are trying to achieve? You try to say the game performance is fine? Nothing has to be done? It's ok for you?
And about representative playerbase... You know what statistics is? On what fundaments it is based? What is representative group and how it built? Yes forum users may not be the best representative group, but claiming their opinion means nothing is very arrogant, who decides about that? You? I still think that majority of forum users is more representative than single forum user meaning e.g. you or me.
A small, vocal minority is still a small minority. A vocal minority of forum users is still a relatively insignificant number compared to the number of players overall.
Simply making lots of posts doesn’t reflect the level of interest/frustration/seriousness of an issue.
Half of my friends have cancelled their progression runs this week due to performance, almost every discord on which I am in, speaks about performance (30+ eso related discord, some have more then 3k+ ppl on them), my guild chat is full of angry ppl that s**t on this joke called "performance" by zos.
Go outside the forum and literally speak with ppl. Right now about poor performance ppl are talking on forum, at youtube, many different discords, in game. To call these ppl delusional becasue everything works fine for you is just bs.
Performance of this game is not defendable anymore. It is a joke and ZOS works pretty hard for their bad reputation.5 -
FierceSam✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Donny_Vito wrote: »So, is the sky falling for ESO again??
Yeah we all are just paranoid that are disconnected from reality... If there were only a reason...
Perpetuating the delusion that forum posters (however lovely they are) are even vaguely representative of the playerbase at large.
A loud noise on the forums has almost no correlation with the game’s performance overall.
Forums are a self-reinforcing conversational vacuum.
Challange accepted. If I will be able I'll make some screen shot of people complaining about performance in game. Will this make me less delusional? Or it will it be still not enough? The lag is here, desyncs are here, we are not making this up, for what mad reason we would? What would we achieve with it? Many of us is here since launch, all we want is working game that runs at least ok. It doesnt have to be <10ms. If it will be real 80-100ms we would praise ZOS to the heavens, even REAL <150ms would be fine (and don't start with what are your specs because my spec allow me to run much newer and more demanding games, also my connection is more than enough to handle ESO - even if not, there are people with high end setups that should work much better than mine but somehow we all have the same issues).
I dont know what you are trying to achieve? You try to say the game performance is fine? Nothing has to be done? It's ok for you?
And about representative playerbase... You know what statistics is? On what fundaments it is based? What is representative group and how it built? Yes forum users may not be the best representative group, but claiming their opinion means nothing is very arrogant, who decides about that? You? I still think that majority of forum users is more representative than single forum user meaning e.g. you or me.
A small, vocal minority is still a small minority. A vocal minority of forum users is still a relatively insignificant number compared to the number of players overall.
Simply making lots of posts doesn’t reflect the level of interest/frustration/seriousness of an issue.
Yes. But you still don't know how statistics works (thus how representative groups works). Forum users are the players who decided to take a part in forums life. Even if forums users are just 1% of player base, if 80% of that 1% have problems with game, according to statistics and common sense we can assume that when you multiply that 1% by 100, we will find that 80% of players in game have the same issues. Relativity. The better representative group is the more accurate total number will be. It's not perfect but it's a lot more accurate than saying "forum users are not reflecting player base".
I have proven you that players in game do have problems and it's not uncommon and proves above. How conveniently you ignore it, repeating words that hold no value and are detached from reality doesn't make you right either. Have you more of that "wisdom"? Wonder why Gina and dev team reacts to our posts? Because we are minority that represents nothing? Then why even have this forums?
[Snip] we need to keep this thread on topic so. During prime time almost all players say they have issues with game latency, the most severe issues are noticed in Cyrodiil, but many of my guild members say they have every day issues in dungeons and in general PvE activities. These are not as big as those in Cyrodiil but are enough to make them unhappy with game performance.
[Edited for baiting]
Except that large scale statistical modelling depends on having balanced, representative sample sets from which to work. The forums are an extremely unbalanced selection of overall game users (me included), so they’re not a representative sample. Thus it’s difficult, if not impossible to extrapolate any hard data or conclusions from them. Indeed with many forum users saying they’re not actually playing, it’s hard to assess overall game performance from number of posts at a single moment.
You posted a picture of a load of threads about performance as if that showed anything other than a load of threads. It didn’t show that more people are having issues, or that these issues are more/less serious than they were a year ago.
Right now, I’m not having performance issues with the game. I’m having many more issues with discord and my local internet being overwhelmed with demand. Given PC EU’s previous tendency to fall over when more than a few people ventured to use the group finder, I am pretty impressed.1 -
relentless_turnip✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Donny_Vito wrote: »So, is the sky falling for ESO again??
Yeah we all are just paranoid that are disconnected from reality... If there were only a reason...
Perpetuating the delusion that forum posters (however lovely they are) are even vaguely representative of the playerbase at large.
A loud noise on the forums has almost no correlation with the game’s performance overall.
Forums are a self-reinforcing conversational vacuum.
Challange accepted. If I will be able I'll make some screen shot of people complaining about performance in game. Will this make me less delusional? Or it will it be still not enough? The lag is here, desyncs are here, we are not making this up, for what mad reason we would? What would we achieve with it? Many of us is here since launch, all we want is working game that runs at least ok. It doesnt have to be <10ms. If it will be real 80-100ms we would praise ZOS to the heavens, even REAL <150ms would be fine (and don't start with what are your specs because my spec allow me to run much newer and more demanding games, also my connection is more than enough to handle ESO - even if not, there are people with high end setups that should work much better than mine but somehow we all have the same issues).
I dont know what you are trying to achieve? You try to say the game performance is fine? Nothing has to be done? It's ok for you?
And about representative playerbase... You know what statistics is? On what fundaments it is based? What is representative group and how it built? Yes forum users may not be the best representative group, but claiming their opinion means nothing is very arrogant, who decides about that? You? I still think that majority of forum users is more representative than single forum user meaning e.g. you or me.
A small, vocal minority is still a small minority. A vocal minority of forum users is still a relatively insignificant number compared to the number of players overall.
Simply making lots of posts doesn’t reflect the level of interest/frustration/seriousness of an issue.
Yes. But you still don't know how statistics works (thus how representative groups works). Forum users are the players who decided to take a part in forums life. Even if forums users are just 1% of player base, if 80% of that 1% have problems with game, according to statistics and common sense we can assume that when you multiply that 1% by 100, we will find that 80% of players in game have the same issues. Relativity. The better representative group is the more accurate total number will be. It's not perfect but it's a lot more accurate than saying "forum users are not reflecting player base".
I have proven you that players in game do have problems and it's not uncommon and proves above. How conveniently you ignore it, repeating words that hold no value and are detached from reality doesn't make you right either. Have you more of that "wisdom"? Wonder why Gina and dev team reacts to our posts? Because we are minority that represents nothing? Then why even have this forums?
[Snip] we need to keep this thread on topic so. During prime time almost all players say they have issues with game latency, the most severe issues are noticed in Cyrodiil, but many of my guild members say they have every day issues in dungeons and in general PvE activities. These are not as big as those in Cyrodiil but are enough to make them unhappy with game performance.
[Edited for baiting]
Except that large scale statistical modelling depends on having balanced, representative sample sets from which to work. The forums are an extremely unbalanced selection of overall game users (me included), so they’re not a representative sample. Thus it’s difficult, if not impossible to extrapolate any hard data or conclusions from them. Indeed with many forum users saying they’re not actually playing, it’s hard to assess overall game performance from number of posts at a single moment.
You posted a picture of a load of threads about performance as if that showed anything other than a load of threads. It didn’t show that more people are having issues, or that these issues are more/less serious than they were a year ago.
Right now, I’m not having performance issues with the game. I’m having many more issues with discord and my local internet being overwhelmed with demand. Given PC EU’s previous tendency to fall over when more than a few people ventured to use the group finder, I am pretty impressed.
Regardless of how we debate where and how the feedback is formed the game is utterly *** at the moment!
In zone chat of any high populated area, in every guild chat people are talking about *** combat is.
The people that aren't talking about it are the people playing open world, questing and wouldn't know any different.
I am a member of 3 pvp guilds 2 of them run groups in no cp PC EU.
All are not running groups at any time now as it is just pointless.3 -
Mayrael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Donny_Vito wrote: »So, is the sky falling for ESO again??
Yeah we all are just paranoid that are disconnected from reality... If there were only a reason...
Perpetuating the delusion that forum posters (however lovely they are) are even vaguely representative of the playerbase at large.
A loud noise on the forums has almost no correlation with the game’s performance overall.
Forums are a self-reinforcing conversational vacuum.
Challange accepted. If I will be able I'll make some screen shot of people complaining about performance in game. Will this make me less delusional? Or it will it be still not enough? The lag is here, desyncs are here, we are not making this up, for what mad reason we would? What would we achieve with it? Many of us is here since launch, all we want is working game that runs at least ok. It doesnt have to be <10ms. If it will be real 80-100ms we would praise ZOS to the heavens, even REAL <150ms would be fine (and don't start with what are your specs because my spec allow me to run much newer and more demanding games, also my connection is more than enough to handle ESO - even if not, there are people with high end setups that should work much better than mine but somehow we all have the same issues).
I dont know what you are trying to achieve? You try to say the game performance is fine? Nothing has to be done? It's ok for you?
And about representative playerbase... You know what statistics is? On what fundaments it is based? What is representative group and how it built? Yes forum users may not be the best representative group, but claiming their opinion means nothing is very arrogant, who decides about that? You? I still think that majority of forum users is more representative than single forum user meaning e.g. you or me.
A small, vocal minority is still a small minority. A vocal minority of forum users is still a relatively insignificant number compared to the number of players overall.
Simply making lots of posts doesn’t reflect the level of interest/frustration/seriousness of an issue.
Yes. But you still don't know how statistics works (thus how representative groups works). Forum users are the players who decided to take a part in forums life. Even if forums users are just 1% of player base, if 80% of that 1% have problems with game, according to statistics and common sense we can assume that when you multiply that 1% by 100, we will find that 80% of players in game have the same issues. Relativity. The better representative group is the more accurate total number will be. It's not perfect but it's a lot more accurate than saying "forum users are not reflecting player base".
I have proven you that players in game do have problems and it's not uncommon and proves above. How conveniently you ignore it, repeating words that hold no value and are detached from reality doesn't make you right either. Have you more of that "wisdom"? Wonder why Gina and dev team reacts to our posts? Because we are minority that represents nothing? Then why even have this forums?
[Snip] we need to keep this thread on topic so. During prime time almost all players say they have issues with game latency, the most severe issues are noticed in Cyrodiil, but many of my guild members say they have every day issues in dungeons and in general PvE activities. These are not as big as those in Cyrodiil but are enough to make them unhappy with game performance.
[Edited for baiting]
Except that large scale statistical modelling depends on having balanced, representative sample sets from which to work. The forums are an extremely unbalanced selection of overall game users (me included), so they’re not a representative sample. Thus it’s difficult, if not impossible to extrapolate any hard data or conclusions from them. Indeed with many forum users saying they’re not actually playing, it’s hard to assess overall game performance from number of posts at a single moment.
You posted a picture of a load of threads about performance as if that showed anything other than a load of threads. It didn’t show that more people are having issues, or that these issues are more/less serious than they were a year ago.
Right now, I’m not having performance issues with the game. I’m having many more issues with discord and my local internet being overwhelmed with demand. Given PC EU’s previous tendency to fall over when more than a few people ventured to use the group finder, I am pretty impressed.
Yes and I don't claim forum is perfect representative group but it IS REPRESENTATIVE GROUP, YOU CAN'T SAY ITS NOT! And saying it's extremely not representative is based on...? Your personal opinion because you don't have any data to support it. However I have evidence (shown above, which you still ignore) of players having troubles and talking about it in game, there is even conversation about people like you defending the game and they are surprised someone can say things like you (no, I do not participate in this conversation, I have unedited screenshots of it). I could also post conversations of my guild mates having issues in PvE dungs and in general PvE content but It's not in English so I skipped that part.
Once again, your assumption about forum users being delusional is offensive and based only on your personal opinion. EVIDENCE I have provided to support correlation between forum debate about game performance and players in game having the same issues is solid proof of you being wrong. Evidence vs your opinion. No matter how smooth is your talk, you have nothing to support your claims, while I can flood you with proofs of your mistake."We are currently investigating connection issues some players are having on the European megaservers. We will update as new information becomes available."
— They always claim they’re “investigating” the causes, but in reality they’re just waiting until the PC EU players go to bed. Once that happens, you can suddenly log in again and they happily mark the issue as Fixed.2 -
Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo✭✭✭✭✭
✭Well there is a thing called consumer trust. They need to revert this regressive trend ASAP and it should be a priority for them. 'How can we get our player base to trust us again?', instead of concentrating on pushing out DLC's.
I hope they still project a bright future for their company and adopt the measures necessary (monetary or creatively) to place the game in a niche where it can last for another couple of years.0 -
FierceSam✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Donny_Vito wrote: »So, is the sky falling for ESO again??
Yeah we all are just paranoid that are disconnected from reality... If there were only a reason...
Perpetuating the delusion that forum posters (however lovely they are) are even vaguely representative of the playerbase at large.
A loud noise on the forums has almost no correlation with the game’s performance overall.
Forums are a self-reinforcing conversational vacuum.
Challange accepted. If I will be able I'll make some screen shot of people complaining about performance in game. Will this make me less delusional? Or it will it be still not enough? The lag is here, desyncs are here, we are not making this up, for what mad reason we would? What would we achieve with it? Many of us is here since launch, all we want is working game that runs at least ok. It doesnt have to be <10ms. If it will be real 80-100ms we would praise ZOS to the heavens, even REAL <150ms would be fine (and don't start with what are your specs because my spec allow me to run much newer and more demanding games, also my connection is more than enough to handle ESO - even if not, there are people with high end setups that should work much better than mine but somehow we all have the same issues).
I dont know what you are trying to achieve? You try to say the game performance is fine? Nothing has to be done? It's ok for you?
And about representative playerbase... You know what statistics is? On what fundaments it is based? What is representative group and how it built? Yes forum users may not be the best representative group, but claiming their opinion means nothing is very arrogant, who decides about that? You? I still think that majority of forum users is more representative than single forum user meaning e.g. you or me.
A small, vocal minority is still a small minority. A vocal minority of forum users is still a relatively insignificant number compared to the number of players overall.
Simply making lots of posts doesn’t reflect the level of interest/frustration/seriousness of an issue.
Yes. But you still don't know how statistics works (thus how representative groups works). Forum users are the players who decided to take a part in forums life. Even if forums users are just 1% of player base, if 80% of that 1% have problems with game, according to statistics and common sense we can assume that when you multiply that 1% by 100, we will find that 80% of players in game have the same issues. Relativity. The better representative group is the more accurate total number will be. It's not perfect but it's a lot more accurate than saying "forum users are not reflecting player base".
I have proven you that players in game do have problems and it's not uncommon and proves above. How conveniently you ignore it, repeating words that hold no value and are detached from reality doesn't make you right either. Have you more of that "wisdom"? Wonder why Gina and dev team reacts to our posts? Because we are minority that represents nothing? Then why even have this forums?
[Snip] we need to keep this thread on topic so. During prime time almost all players say they have issues with game latency, the most severe issues are noticed in Cyrodiil, but many of my guild members say they have every day issues in dungeons and in general PvE activities. These are not as big as those in Cyrodiil but are enough to make them unhappy with game performance.
[Edited for baiting]
Except that large scale statistical modelling depends on having balanced, representative sample sets from which to work. The forums are an extremely unbalanced selection of overall game users (me included), so they’re not a representative sample. Thus it’s difficult, if not impossible to extrapolate any hard data or conclusions from them. Indeed with many forum users saying they’re not actually playing, it’s hard to assess overall game performance from number of posts at a single moment.
You posted a picture of a load of threads about performance as if that showed anything other than a load of threads. It didn’t show that more people are having issues, or that these issues are more/less serious than they were a year ago.
Right now, I’m not having performance issues with the game. I’m having many more issues with discord and my local internet being overwhelmed with demand. Given PC EU’s previous tendency to fall over when more than a few people ventured to use the group finder, I am pretty impressed.
Yes and I don't claim forum is perfect representative group but it IS REPRESENTATIVE GROUP, YOU CAN'T SAY ITS NOT! And saying it's extremely not representative is based on...? Your personal opinion because you don't have any data to support it. However I have evidence (shown above, which you still ignore) of players having troubles and talking about it in game, there is even conversation about people like you defending the game and they are surprised someone can say things like you (no, I do not participate in this conversation, I have unedited screenshots of it). I could also post conversations of my guild mates having issues in PvE dungs and in general PvE content but It's not in English so I skipped that part.
Once again, your assumption about forum users being delusional is offensive and based only on your personal opinion. EVIDENCE I have provided to support correlation between forum debate about game performance and players in game having the same issues is solid proof of you being wrong. Evidence vs your opinion. No matter how smooth is your talk, you have nothing to support your claims, while I can flood you with proofs of your mistake.
I’m saying that forum users are deluded if we think we are representative of the playerbase at large.
We’re a self-selecting group of players, a vocal minority of a minority.
Simply being able to shout loudest among ourselves doesn’t give us any more credibility.0 -
xenowarrior92eb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I have come here to see a screenshot...I have been disappointed once miewor :<1 -
JanTanhide✭✭✭✭✭
✭It is my personal belief that greed has in fact killed off eso. Some will post here to ask why others to negatively criticize. Im posting this in hopes of changes to be made to who ever really cares (if anyone) about returning customers next gen.
Unfortunately I cannot disagree with you. Game is a mess right now.2 -
Hotdog_23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The game is working fine for me in BG's and pve content. No trials this week so I can't speak for them. Sure there is still problems but for me it's running the best it has in the last few months. PS4 NA1 -
holden_caulfield✭✭✭relentless_turnip wrote: »holden_caulfield wrote: »
You realise that graph shows the average players have dropped by nearly 1000 since the launch of harrowstorm on PC?
This is only steam users too!
Its far from dead, but it will die if they don't fix it.
Can u graph the numbers?
Do u see any pattern?
Or u are just selecting the little slice the "prove" your point?
Have u any knowledge about statistics?
Can u really prove your point in any way, shape or form?
[snip]
[Edit for bait.]Edited by ZOS_GregoryV on March 19, 2020 5:43PM0 -
Scion_of_Yggdrasil✭✭✭✭✭SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »... A handful of amateur modders following the directions of a few competent class reps could literally FIX THIS GAME...
EA brought on a modder for Battlefront 2. It could really make a difference!1 -
Mayrael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Donny_Vito wrote: »So, is the sky falling for ESO again??
Yeah we all are just paranoid that are disconnected from reality... If there were only a reason...
Perpetuating the delusion that forum posters (however lovely they are) are even vaguely representative of the playerbase at large.
A loud noise on the forums has almost no correlation with the game’s performance overall.
Forums are a self-reinforcing conversational vacuum.
Challange accepted. If I will be able I'll make some screen shot of people complaining about performance in game. Will this make me less delusional? Or it will it be still not enough? The lag is here, desyncs are here, we are not making this up, for what mad reason we would? What would we achieve with it? Many of us is here since launch, all we want is working game that runs at least ok. It doesnt have to be <10ms. If it will be real 80-100ms we would praise ZOS to the heavens, even REAL <150ms would be fine (and don't start with what are your specs because my spec allow me to run much newer and more demanding games, also my connection is more than enough to handle ESO - even if not, there are people with high end setups that should work much better than mine but somehow we all have the same issues).
I dont know what you are trying to achieve? You try to say the game performance is fine? Nothing has to be done? It's ok for you?
And about representative playerbase... You know what statistics is? On what fundaments it is based? What is representative group and how it built? Yes forum users may not be the best representative group, but claiming their opinion means nothing is very arrogant, who decides about that? You? I still think that majority of forum users is more representative than single forum user meaning e.g. you or me.
A small, vocal minority is still a small minority. A vocal minority of forum users is still a relatively insignificant number compared to the number of players overall.
Simply making lots of posts doesn’t reflect the level of interest/frustration/seriousness of an issue.
Yes. But you still don't know how statistics works (thus how representative groups works). Forum users are the players who decided to take a part in forums life. Even if forums users are just 1% of player base, if 80% of that 1% have problems with game, according to statistics and common sense we can assume that when you multiply that 1% by 100, we will find that 80% of players in game have the same issues. Relativity. The better representative group is the more accurate total number will be. It's not perfect but it's a lot more accurate than saying "forum users are not reflecting player base".
I have proven you that players in game do have problems and it's not uncommon and proves above. How conveniently you ignore it, repeating words that hold no value and are detached from reality doesn't make you right either. Have you more of that "wisdom"? Wonder why Gina and dev team reacts to our posts? Because we are minority that represents nothing? Then why even have this forums?
[Snip] we need to keep this thread on topic so. During prime time almost all players say they have issues with game latency, the most severe issues are noticed in Cyrodiil, but many of my guild members say they have every day issues in dungeons and in general PvE activities. These are not as big as those in Cyrodiil but are enough to make them unhappy with game performance.
[Edited for baiting]
Except that large scale statistical modelling depends on having balanced, representative sample sets from which to work. The forums are an extremely unbalanced selection of overall game users (me included), so they’re not a representative sample. Thus it’s difficult, if not impossible to extrapolate any hard data or conclusions from them. Indeed with many forum users saying they’re not actually playing, it’s hard to assess overall game performance from number of posts at a single moment.
You posted a picture of a load of threads about performance as if that showed anything other than a load of threads. It didn’t show that more people are having issues, or that these issues are more/less serious than they were a year ago.
Right now, I’m not having performance issues with the game. I’m having many more issues with discord and my local internet being overwhelmed with demand. Given PC EU’s previous tendency to fall over when more than a few people ventured to use the group finder, I am pretty impressed.
Yes and I don't claim forum is perfect representative group but it IS REPRESENTATIVE GROUP, YOU CAN'T SAY ITS NOT! And saying it's extremely not representative is based on...? Your personal opinion because you don't have any data to support it. However I have evidence (shown above, which you still ignore) of players having troubles and talking about it in game, there is even conversation about people like you defending the game and they are surprised someone can say things like you (no, I do not participate in this conversation, I have unedited screenshots of it). I could also post conversations of my guild mates having issues in PvE dungs and in general PvE content but It's not in English so I skipped that part.
Once again, your assumption about forum users being delusional is offensive and based only on your personal opinion. EVIDENCE I have provided to support correlation between forum debate about game performance and players in game having the same issues is solid proof of you being wrong. Evidence vs your opinion. No matter how smooth is your talk, you have nothing to support your claims, while I can flood you with proofs of your mistake.
I’m saying that forum users are deluded if we think we are representative of the playerbase at large.
We’re a self-selecting group of players, a vocal minority of a minority.
Simply being able to shout loudest among ourselves doesn’t give us any more credibility.
Agree in a longer perpective. But you can't claim it's always the case. There are scenarios where forum users opinions are completely different than overall players opinions, that's true, but in this particular case it covers almost perfectly the same. We forum users have the same issues as most of the players, that's a fact, almost an axiom, that's why I don't see a reason to fight with it. Sorry if I was agresive but in this particular case, forum users opinions covers with player base opinion almost 100%, PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO ISSUES ARE THE MINORITY, not the other way."We are currently investigating connection issues some players are having on the European megaservers. We will update as new information becomes available."
— They always claim they’re “investigating” the causes, but in reality they’re just waiting until the PC EU players go to bed. Once that happens, you can suddenly log in again and they happily mark the issue as Fixed.0 -
Verbal_Earthworm✭✭✭✭✭
✭Donny_Vito wrote: »So, is the sky falling for ESO again??
Yeah we all are just paranoid that are disconnected from reality... If there were only a reason...
Perpetuating the delusion that forum posters (however lovely they are) are even vaguely representative of the playerbase at large.
A loud noise on the forums has almost no correlation with the game’s performance overall.
Forums are a self-reinforcing conversational vacuum.
Challange accepted. If I will be able I'll make some screen shot of people complaining about performance in game. Will this make me less delusional? Or it will it be still not enough? The lag is here, desyncs are here, we are not making this up, for what mad reason we would? What would we achieve with it? Many of us is here since launch, all we want is working game that runs at least ok. It doesnt have to be <10ms. If it will be real 80-100ms we would praise ZOS to the heavens, even REAL <150ms would be fine (and don't start with what are your specs because my spec allow me to run much newer and more demanding games, also my connection is more than enough to handle ESO - even if not, there are people with high end setups that should work much better than mine but somehow we all have the same issues).
I dont know what you are trying to achieve? You try to say the game performance is fine? Nothing has to be done? It's ok for you?
And about representative playerbase... You know what statistics is? On what fundaments it is based? What is representative group and how it built? Yes forum users may not be the best representative group, but claiming their opinion means nothing is very arrogant, who decides about that? You? I still think that majority of forum users is more representative than single forum user meaning e.g. you or me.
A small, vocal minority is still a small minority. A vocal minority of forum users is still a relatively insignificant number compared to the number of players overall.
Simply making lots of posts doesn’t reflect the level of interest/frustration/seriousness of an issue.
Yes. But you still don't know how statistics works (thus how representative groups works). Forum users are the players who decided to take a part in forums life. Even if forums users are just 1% of player base, if 80% of that 1% have problems with game, according to statistics and common sense we can assume that when you multiply that 1% by 100, we will find that 80% of players in game have the same issues. Relativity. The better representative group is the more accurate total number will be. It's not perfect but it's a lot more accurate than saying "forum users are not reflecting player base".
I have proven you that players in game do have problems and it's not uncommon and proves above. How conveniently you ignore it, repeating words that hold no value and are detached from reality doesn't make you right either. Have you more of that "wisdom"? Wonder why Gina and dev team reacts to our posts? Because we are minority that represents nothing? Then why even have this forums?
[Snip] we need to keep this thread on topic so. During prime time almost all players say they have issues with game latency, the most severe issues are noticed in Cyrodiil, but many of my guild members say they have every day issues in dungeons and in general PvE activities. These are not as big as those in Cyrodiil but are enough to make them unhappy with game performance.
[Edited for baiting]
Except that large scale statistical modelling depends on having balanced, representative sample sets from which to work. The forums are an extremely unbalanced selection of overall game users (me included), so they’re not a representative sample. Thus it’s difficult, if not impossible to extrapolate any hard data or conclusions from them. Indeed with many forum users saying they’re not actually playing, it’s hard to assess overall game performance from number of posts at a single moment.
You posted a picture of a load of threads about performance as if that showed anything other than a load of threads. It didn’t show that more people are having issues, or that these issues are more/less serious than they were a year ago.
Right now, I’m not having performance issues with the game. I’m having many more issues with discord and my local internet being overwhelmed with demand. Given PC EU’s previous tendency to fall over when more than a few people ventured to use the group finder, I am pretty impressed.
Yes and I don't claim forum is perfect representative group but it IS REPRESENTATIVE GROUP, YOU CAN'T SAY ITS NOT! And saying it's extremely not representative is based on...? Your personal opinion because you don't have any data to support it. However I have evidence (shown above, which you still ignore) of players having troubles and talking about it in game, there is even conversation about people like you defending the game and they are surprised someone can say things like you (no, I do not participate in this conversation, I have unedited screenshots of it). I could also post conversations of my guild mates having issues in PvE dungs and in general PvE content but It's not in English so I skipped that part.
Once again, your assumption about forum users being delusional is offensive and based only on your personal opinion. EVIDENCE I have provided to support correlation between forum debate about game performance and players in game having the same issues is solid proof of you being wrong. Evidence vs your opinion. No matter how smooth is your talk, you have nothing to support your claims, while I can flood you with proofs of your mistake.
I’m saying that forum users are deluded if we think we are representative of the playerbase at large.
We’re a self-selecting group of players, a vocal minority of a minority.
Simply being able to shout loudest among ourselves doesn’t give us any more credibility.
Have you been hacked? It's like you are a different person lately.
I used to enjoy your posts for their high sarcasm and often witty banter...
Now you're just another ZOS-apologist?1 -
Artanisul✭✭✭✭[...]
Perpetuating the delusion that forum posters (however lovely they are) are even vaguely representative of the playerbase at large.
A loud noise on the forums has almost no correlation with the game’s performance overall.
Forums are a self-reinforcing conversational vacuum.
So I keep my word. This is just few minutes of playing (you can look at time stamp). BTW I do not participate in the conversation at the bottom of the screen, but as you can see I am not the only one surprised.
Boom babe:
I thought the image looked funny so I took a screenshot of my chat....the timestamps you are showing....in the order they are...with obvious gaps where other speakers would be....well....talk about suspicious actions....wow.
That was not even a good attempt at faking it.....you certainly can do better then that.0 -
Dracofyre✭✭✭✭i am sure many of ZO went to see foot doctors, problem was, they shoot at their own foot.
simple answer from those doctors, dont make players mad.0 -
barney2525✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It is my personal belief that greed has in fact killed off eso. Some will post here to ask why others to negatively criticize. Im posting this in hopes of changes to be made to who ever really cares (if anyone) about returning customers next gen.
I'm confused
You want changes, but you don't list any.
Is Zos supposed to guess at what changes you think need to be made?
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stamcro✭✭✭barney2525 wrote: »It is my personal belief that greed has in fact killed off eso. Some will post here to ask why others to negatively criticize. Im posting this in hopes of changes to be made to who ever really cares (if anyone) about returning customers next gen.
I'm confused
You want changes, but you don't list any.
Is Zos supposed to guess at what changes you think need to be made?
I’ve posted the issues. Have a look. It’s nothing new unless your a new player.0 -
Mayrael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭[...]
Perpetuating the delusion that forum posters (however lovely they are) are even vaguely representative of the playerbase at large.
A loud noise on the forums has almost no correlation with the game’s performance overall.
Forums are a self-reinforcing conversational vacuum.
So I keep my word. This is just few minutes of playing (you can look at time stamp). BTW I do not participate in the conversation at the bottom of the screen, but as you can see I am not the only one surprised.
Boom babe:
I thought the image looked funny so I took a screenshot of my chat....the timestamps you are showing....in the order they are...with obvious gaps where other speakers would be....well....talk about suspicious actions....wow.
That was not even a good attempt at faking it.....you certainly can do better then that.
Lol. You do understand I didn't care a lot about order as those are 1 line statements except of the last one conversation, there are gaps because you know in Cyrodiil many people say about many things like "LFG" x10, [insert a castle] is UA, etc. etc., talking is also determined by factor of being in fight or not. If you don't get it you clearly have never been in Cyrodiil and it shows that you have no idea how bad it can be, I just made it easier to read, I have unedited screenshots of each of those conversations. You literally clutch at a straw as you sink."We are currently investigating connection issues some players are having on the European megaservers. We will update as new information becomes available."
— They always claim they’re “investigating” the causes, but in reality they’re just waiting until the PC EU players go to bed. Once that happens, you can suddenly log in again and they happily mark the issue as Fixed.0
