ESO death recap : Greed. 1m dmg.
stamcro
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It is my personal belief that greed has in fact killed off eso. Some will post here to ask why others to negatively criticize. Im posting this in hopes of changes to be made to who ever really cares (if anyone) about returning customers next gen.
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Solariken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I think the damage has been done and there's no coming back from it. PCNA has been super dead for a while now, I'm surprised ZOS has enough revenue to keep the servers up
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Czekoludek✭✭✭✭✭
✭The biggest problem right now is that ppl lost interest in it pretty fast. Performance that was bad TWO years ago and was acknowledged too late, so we have this bs now. Stupid combat changes. Uninspired new content (sunspire was disappointment, year of the dragon was disappointment for many, etc). You can clearly see when comparing for example Twitch views from last two years that 2019 was really bad for the game and 2020 seems to be bad too. Influx of new players is not big enough to keep the population numbers, so many players left. ZOS is definitely "killing it".22 -
MurderMostFoul✭✭✭✭✭
✭ESO should be run by a nonprofit organization!“There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.”4 -
Universe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Lately, I was thinking of returning to play ESO after 10 months break.
I didn't quit back then because I was disappointed, but only because I was really busy.
All the discussions about bad performance, poor content and even worse combat balance than ever before is making me think twice about it.
Though I will still give ESO a chance especially that I have more spare time due to the Coronavirus crisis.
I would suggest to not count ESO as dead yet.
Stay safe!
The real world has become like something out of an horror game.Edited by Universe on March 17, 2020 11:44PMSome videos I recorded for fun: Main character:
PC EU main: Universe - AD magicka Sorcerer, Former Emperor, Grand Overlord, The Merciless, Trial Bosses Solo Champion
Top alts: Genius(stamina/sagicka Dragonknight) The Force(stamina Nightblade) and other chars.
PC NA main: The Magic - AD magicka Sorcerer
Started playing ESO in beta & early access
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MurderMostFoul✭✭✭✭✭
✭Lately, I was thinking of returning to play ESO after 10 months break.
I didn't quit back then because I was disappointed, but only because I was really busy.
All the discussions about bad performance, poor content and even worse combat balance than ever before is making me think twice about it.
Though I will still give ESO a chance especially that I have more spare time due to the Coronavirus crisis.
I would suggest to not count ESO as dead yet.
Stay safe!
The real world has become like something out of an horror game.
Bgs work fine.“There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.”2 -
Universe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭MurderMostFoul wrote: »Lately, I was thinking of returning to play ESO after 10 months break.
I didn't quit back then because I was disappointed, but only because I was really busy.
All the discussions about bad performance, poor content and even worse combat balance than ever before is making me think twice about it.
Though I will still give ESO a chance especially that I have more spare time due to the Coronavirus crisis.
I would suggest to not count ESO as dead yet.
Stay safe!
The real world has become like something out of an horror game.
Bgs work fine.
That is good to know!
Thanks.
Though I'm a bit more concerned about Cyrodiil.Edited by Universe on March 18, 2020 12:01AMSome videos I recorded for fun: Main character:
PC EU main: Universe - AD magicka Sorcerer, Former Emperor, Grand Overlord, The Merciless, Trial Bosses Solo Champion
Top alts: Genius(stamina/sagicka Dragonknight) The Force(stamina Nightblade) and other chars.
PC NA main: The Magic - AD magicka Sorcerer
Started playing ESO in beta & early access
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ArchMikem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Many times this type of thread has been made and many times I don't see the base the claimers are standing on, all I see is a game that still runs and continues to provide me new lands to explore, so, I'm just gonna go mind my own casual business over here in the Corner of Casuals.CP2,000 Master Explorer - AvA One Star General - Console Peasant - The Clan
Quest Objective: OMG Go Talk To That Kitty!10 -
Gnortranermara✭✭✭✭✭
✭I don't think greed is killing the game. Boredom is. The combat team has spent years continually sucking the fun out of our characters, especially this past year. As someone who loves the ES series and setting, it's painful to watch these game managers utterly mismanage and bungle the greatest work of game art ever made. A handful of amateur modders following the directions of a few competent class reps could literally FIX THIS GAME and do an objectively better job than the paid combat dev team that seems perpetually hellbent on destroying it.18 -
Mr_Walker✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I've said it many times, they need to give up on content (and asinine OTT nerfs) for a year and just hit performance.6 -
Universe✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I've said it many times, they need to give up on content (and asinine OTT nerfs) for a year and just hit performance.
That is one more issue.
If they do that they will basically say "this game has no new direction for the time being".
This is an extremely risky move for an MMO which should be evergrowing until servers are shut down or the development team stops the development phase and only keep the servers and maintenance.
ZOS needs to allocate more resources to bug fixes, performance and combat balance Updates but not to stop the wheel of development.
They can slow it down for a bit but not entirely.
The player base, new & existing players are expecting new content to be released in an MMO.Edited by Universe on March 18, 2020 1:45AMSome videos I recorded for fun: Main character:
PC EU main: Universe - AD magicka Sorcerer, Former Emperor, Grand Overlord, The Merciless, Trial Bosses Solo Champion
Top alts: Genius(stamina/sagicka Dragonknight) The Force(stamina Nightblade) and other chars.
PC NA main: The Magic - AD magicka Sorcerer
Started playing ESO in beta & early access
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Mr_Walker✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭That is one more issue.
If they do that they will basically say "this game has no new direction for the time being".
This is an extremely risky move for an MMO which should be evergrowing until servers are shut down or the development team stops the development phase and only keep the servers and maintenance.
Rubbish. They need to fix problems, not maniacally pump out a never ending stream of broken content. A company can't keep pumping out faulty goods and expect to survive/prosper, no matter how much "direction" they have. Business 101.
As it stands the only direction this game is taking right now is down the crapper.
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Lumenn✭✭✭✭✭
✭I've said it many times, they need to give up on content (and asinine OTT nerfs) for a year and just hit performance.
That is one more issue.
If they do that they will basically say "this game has no new direction for the time being".
This is an extremely risky move for an MMO which should be evergrowing until servers are shut down or the development team stops the development phase and only keep the servers and maintenance.
ZOS needs to allocate more resources to bug fixes, performance and combat balance Updates but not to stop the wheel of development.
They can slow it down for a bit but not entirely.
The player base, new & existing players are expecting new content to be released in an MMO.
Personally I disagree. Granted there are players here from the very start, so SOME may have actually done EVERYTHING, for quite a few players there are still enough things they haven't done yet that will be "new" to them while Zo$ buckles down and fixes things. New content doesn't always cater to all types of play, but actually taking one expansion rotation to FIX bugs would help EVERYONE.5 -
Zulera301✭✭✭✭✭Any prime time gaming does not infact work fine. Pve or Pvp.
sounds like that's on your end, mate. they work just fine for me.Shortly after the formation of the Ebonheart Pact, a Nord woman was given a tour of the Tribunal Temple. When later asked about the experience, she seemed upset. Suffice to say, the Dunmer were not pleased to hear this, and thus they inquired further.
"Well," the Nord frowned, "the priests were very angry and unwelcoming. They kept shouting things at me like "you can't drink that mead in here!" and "somebody stop her, she's running naked!" and "we can't catch her; she's covered in grease!""5 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This is not how i experience the game world - it is pretty crowded, too much for comfort with these new stutter issues even. i tend to play now at times where most people have to sleep- then it is enjoyable to play and runs smoothly. I wish I could just derender anyone not on my friend list in order to have these conditions all the time - nearly no one around, that's perfect.1 -
daemonios✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I think the damage has been done and there's no coming back from it. PCNA has been super dead for a while now, I'm surprised ZOS has enough revenue to keep the servers up
You'd be surprised how long MMOs can take to die if they have a cash store. It doesn't take that many people buying up all the fluff to pay for minimal development and maintenance.5 -
FierceSam✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭That is one more issue.
If they do that they will basically say "this game has no new direction for the time being".
This is an extremely risky move for an MMO which should be evergrowing until servers are shut down or the development team stops the development phase and only keep the servers and maintenance.
Rubbish. They need to fix problems, not maniacally pump out a never ending stream of broken content. A company can't keep pumping out faulty goods and expect to survive/prosper, no matter how much "direction" they have. Business 101.
As it stands the only direction this game is taking right now is down the crapper.
Except the new content isn’t broken - both Icereach and Unhallowed Grave work perfectly well. Unhallowed Grave is also the most inventive, enjoyable DLC dungeon they’ve released in years. Overall, Harrowstorm is the best dungeon DLC they’ve released.
You don’t like them, you don’t have to buy them or play them. I’m not seeing this ‘game breaking’ performance disaster you’re ranting about.
And, as always, the argument that ZOS should stop all content development and just ‘fix things bro’ ignores the reality that the people developing new content aren’t the people fixing ‘broken’ elements of the game (so telling them to stop working won’t make any difference), and the likelihood that if there are no additional paid content elements, there will be no fixing done either.4 -
Mayrael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭That is one more issue.
If they do that they will basically say "this game has no new direction for the time being".
This is an extremely risky move for an MMO which should be evergrowing until servers are shut down or the development team stops the development phase and only keep the servers and maintenance.
Rubbish. They need to fix problems, not maniacally pump out a never ending stream of broken content. A company can't keep pumping out faulty goods and expect to survive/prosper, no matter how much "direction" they have. Business 101.
As it stands the only direction this game is taking right now is down the crapper.
Except the new content isn’t broken - both Icereach and Unhallowed Grave work perfectly well. Unhallowed Grave is also the most inventive, enjoyable DLC dungeon they’ve released in years. Overall, Harrowstorm is the best dungeon DLC they’ve released.
You don’t like them, you don’t have to buy them or play them. I’m not seeing this ‘game breaking’ performance disaster you’re ranting about.
And, as always, the argument that ZOS should stop all content development and just ‘fix things bro’ ignores the reality that the people developing new content aren’t the people fixing ‘broken’ elements of the game (so telling them to stop working won’t make any difference), and the likelihood that if there are no additional paid content elements, there will be no fixing done either.
You forget that new content has to be implementent into old one, which already can be problematic especially when there are some new solutions introduced. I agree that complete shut down of new content is impossible, but instead of creating new areas with dungeons etc. etc. maybe just one good quality dung would be enough? Lets move temporarily resources from content creation to coding stuff. How can I enjoy new content when the basic one I already have doesn't work for me? It's not 1/0 choice but about changing focus, and now this game needs performance fix more than anything.Say no to Toxic Casuals!
I am doing my best, but I am not a native speaker, sorry.
"Difficulty scaling is desperately needed. 9 years. 6 paid expansions. 24 DLCs. 40 game changing updates including A Realm Reborn-tier overhaul of the game including a permanent CP160 gear cap and ridiculous power creep thereafter. I'm sick and tired of hearing about Cadwell Silver&Gold as a "you think you do but you don't"-tier deflection to any criticism regarding the lack of overland difficulty in the game." - @AlexanderDeLarge4 -
snoozy✭✭✭✭✭
✭yes greed is absolutely the core issue and it's sad how they manage to keep going with itPC EU2 -
darthgummibear_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭MurderMostFoul wrote: »Lately, I was thinking of returning to play ESO after 10 months break.
I didn't quit back then because I was disappointed, but only because I was really busy.
All the discussions about bad performance, poor content and even worse combat balance than ever before is making me think twice about it.
Though I will still give ESO a chance especially that I have more spare time due to the Coronavirus crisis.
I would suggest to not count ESO as dead yet.
Stay safe!
The real world has become like something out of an horror game.
Bgs work fine.
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Mayrael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Donny_Vito wrote: »So, is the sky falling for ESO again??
Yeah we all are just paranoid that are disconnected from reality... If there were only a reason...
Edited by Mayrael on March 18, 2020 10:55AMSay no to Toxic Casuals!
I am doing my best, but I am not a native speaker, sorry.
"Difficulty scaling is desperately needed. 9 years. 6 paid expansions. 24 DLCs. 40 game changing updates including A Realm Reborn-tier overhaul of the game including a permanent CP160 gear cap and ridiculous power creep thereafter. I'm sick and tired of hearing about Cadwell Silver&Gold as a "you think you do but you don't"-tier deflection to any criticism regarding the lack of overland difficulty in the game." - @AlexanderDeLarge16 -
relentless_turnip✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭holden_caulfield wrote: »
You realise that graph shows the average players have dropped by nearly 1000 since the launch of harrowstorm on PC?
This is only steam users too!
Its far from dead, but it will die if they don't fix it.8 -
Donny_Vito✭✭✭✭✭
✭Donny_Vito wrote: »So, is the sky falling for ESO again??
Yeah we all are just paranoid that are disconnected from reality... If there were only a reason...
By "we all" are you referring to a few posts on a forum site that is supposed to reflect the whole ESO gaming community? I really hope not, that'd be....3 -
5cript✭✭✭✭People who say "stop making content and fix the game"
The development force for new content and the base game code are usualy not overlapping much.
You cant put a map maker to write core code.
The quests etc are at a script engine layer, so thats also an entirely different job than core game.
So this plea is always not useful.Edited by 5cript on March 18, 2020 12:09PM2
