Crown prices are DISGUSTING

GalexPK · March 2020

First - The company needs to make money to pay and maintain their personal and servers.

Second - Is a house, a vanity, it will not help you beat other players neither increase your DPS.

rager82b14_ESO · March 2020

GalexPK wrote: »

First - The company needs to make money to pay and maintain their personal and servers.

Second - Is a house, a vanity, it will not help you beat other players neither increase your DPS.

First point the company makes that money through paid DLC and monthly fees. Cash shops not needed also. Server fees? LOL that is cheap, and the way these are ran are pretty cheap.

Second- Vanity and MMO go hand to hand. It is content, and it is content that MMOs thrive on. SO it matters.

/thread

Lysette · March 2020

No one needs that crown store stuff to play the game - it is totally optional. Who likes it and doesn't mind, buys it and enjoys it,and who doesn't want it, doesn't have to buy it. Why is that so hard to understand - nothing in the store is required.

rager82b14_ESO · March 2020

Lysette wrote: »

No one needs that crown store stuff to play the game - it is totally optional. Who likes it and doesn't mind, buys it and enjoys it,and who doesn't want it, doesn't have to buy it. Why is that so hard to understand - nothing in the store is required.

That is not the point at all. Not needing something does not matter when it comes to what makes a good mmo or what does not.

If time investment can not equal to rewards, that means it is bad. A paid game having a cash shop. Years ago that was not acceptable. Now? You all just act like, "Well it is just mounts and looks. It does not matter!" When the mmo community would be up in arms having things like that you can't earn by playing.

daemonios · March 2020

Lysette wrote: »

No one needs that crown store stuff to play the game - it is totally optional. Who likes it and doesn't mind, buys it and enjoys it,and who doesn't want it, doesn't have to buy it. Why is that so hard to understand - nothing in the store is required.

While I agree with you, to some extent (as @rager82b14_ESO said, vanity is content, it's frustrating to see the coolest stuff with which to dress up your in-game alter ego constantly behind a paywall), you know what I could also do without? Game design decisions that have one purpose only, that purpose being driving store sales. If you think ESO design hasn't been affected by its monetisation model, and for the worse at that, I have a very nice bridge I want to sell you.

Lysette · March 2020

daemonios wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

No one needs that crown store stuff to play the game - it is totally optional. Who likes it and doesn't mind, buys it and enjoys it,and who doesn't want it, doesn't have to buy it. Why is that so hard to understand - nothing in the store is required.

While I agree with you, to some extent (as @rager82b14_ESO said, vanity is content, it's frustrating to see the coolest stuff with which to dress up your in-game alter ego constantly behind a paywall), you know what I could also do without? Game design decisions that have one purpose only, that purpose being driving store sales. If you think ESO design hasn't been affected by its monetisation model, and for the worse at that, I have a very nice bridge I want to sell you.

Well, the problem is both sided - on one side the company tries to prey on addictions - i dislike that - but on the other side, it is a personal problem of people as well, if they cannot control themselves to the point that they get addicted. Like i said nothing of that is required - you are as well not complaining about people driving a Ferrari irl - you don't think that you need it just because someone else might enjoy it. And if you are like this anyway, something is wrong with you, not with the Ferrari driver or the company offering the Ferrari. One doesn't need a Ferrari to live - and no crown store stuff to play this game.

rager82b14_ESO · March 2020

Lysette wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

No one needs that crown store stuff to play the game - it is totally optional. Who likes it and doesn't mind, buys it and enjoys it,and who doesn't want it, doesn't have to buy it. Why is that so hard to understand - nothing in the store is required.

While I agree with you, to some extent (as @rager82b14_ESO said, vanity is content, it's frustrating to see the coolest stuff with which to dress up your in-game alter ego constantly behind a paywall), you know what I could also do without? Game design decisions that have one purpose only, that purpose being driving store sales. If you think ESO design hasn't been affected by its monetisation model, and for the worse at that, I have a very nice bridge I want to sell you.

Well, the problem is both sided - on one side the company tries to prey on addictions - i dislike that - but on the other side, it is a personal problem of people as well, if they cannot control themselves to the point that they get addicted. Like i said nothing of that is required - you are as well not complaining about people driving a Ferrari irl - you don't think that you need it just because someone else might enjoy it. And if you are like this anyway, something is wrong with you, not with the Ferrari driver.

That is why it is up to the community to put a stop to it. By making people not feel welcome for doing it. A business is not good or bad, it does what it needs to do to make money, and in the best way. If people are fueling it. We need to target them.

Lysette · March 2020

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

No one needs that crown store stuff to play the game - it is totally optional. Who likes it and doesn't mind, buys it and enjoys it,and who doesn't want it, doesn't have to buy it. Why is that so hard to understand - nothing in the store is required.

While I agree with you, to some extent (as @rager82b14_ESO said, vanity is content, it's frustrating to see the coolest stuff with which to dress up your in-game alter ego constantly behind a paywall), you know what I could also do without? Game design decisions that have one purpose only, that purpose being driving store sales. If you think ESO design hasn't been affected by its monetisation model, and for the worse at that, I have a very nice bridge I want to sell you.

Well, the problem is both sided - on one side the company tries to prey on addictions - i dislike that - but on the other side, it is a personal problem of people as well, if they cannot control themselves to the point that they get addicted. Like i said nothing of that is required - you are as well not complaining about people driving a Ferrari irl - you don't think that you need it just because someone else might enjoy it. And if you are like this anyway, something is wrong with you, not with the Ferrari driver.

That is why it is up to the community to put a stop to it. By making people not feel welcome for doing it. A business is not good or bad, it does what it needs to do to make money, and in the best way. If people are fueling it. We need to target them.

I find this quite offensive - making me a target just because I buy a crown only house with my subscription crowns. I have to do something with those - so why not buy a house with it - it comes with my subscription in a way and is kind of a "thank you for being a supporter" thing.

rager82b14_ESO · March 2020

Lysette wrote: »

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

No one needs that crown store stuff to play the game - it is totally optional. Who likes it and doesn't mind, buys it and enjoys it,and who doesn't want it, doesn't have to buy it. Why is that so hard to understand - nothing in the store is required.

While I agree with you, to some extent (as @rager82b14_ESO said, vanity is content, it's frustrating to see the coolest stuff with which to dress up your in-game alter ego constantly behind a paywall), you know what I could also do without? Game design decisions that have one purpose only, that purpose being driving store sales. If you think ESO design hasn't been affected by its monetisation model, and for the worse at that, I have a very nice bridge I want to sell you.

Well, the problem is both sided - on one side the company tries to prey on addictions - i dislike that - but on the other side, it is a personal problem of people as well, if they cannot control themselves to the point that they get addicted. Like i said nothing of that is required - you are as well not complaining about people driving a Ferrari irl - you don't think that you need it just because someone else might enjoy it. And if you are like this anyway, something is wrong with you, not with the Ferrari driver.

That is why it is up to the community to put a stop to it. By making people not feel welcome for doing it. A business is not good or bad, it does what it needs to do to make money, and in the best way. If people are fueling it. We need to target them.

I find this quite offensive - making me a target just because I buy a crown only house with my subscription crowns. I have to do something with those - so why not buy a house with it - it comes with my subscription in a way.

I mean you can find it offensive, but you spent money on that cash shop knowing that they get people addicted through loot boxes. You ignored the corruption and turned a blind eye to it for your own enjoyment, and that help make the game worse for everyone else.

I'm at fault also, at one point in time I shrug and not cared what people did, but look at how bad things has become. The MMO community would be up in arms about a cash shop in a mmo. Yet, we are numb to it.

The game would be better without cash shop. If they made all the money through DLCS and such. The quality of the game would have went through the roof. Cash shop lets them be lazy.

Lysette · March 2020

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

No one needs that crown store stuff to play the game - it is totally optional. Who likes it and doesn't mind, buys it and enjoys it,and who doesn't want it, doesn't have to buy it. Why is that so hard to understand - nothing in the store is required.

While I agree with you, to some extent (as @rager82b14_ESO said, vanity is content, it's frustrating to see the coolest stuff with which to dress up your in-game alter ego constantly behind a paywall), you know what I could also do without? Game design decisions that have one purpose only, that purpose being driving store sales. If you think ESO design hasn't been affected by its monetisation model, and for the worse at that, I have a very nice bridge I want to sell you.

Well, the problem is both sided - on one side the company tries to prey on addictions - i dislike that - but on the other side, it is a personal problem of people as well, if they cannot control themselves to the point that they get addicted. Like i said nothing of that is required - you are as well not complaining about people driving a Ferrari irl - you don't think that you need it just because someone else might enjoy it. And if you are like this anyway, something is wrong with you, not with the Ferrari driver.

That is why it is up to the community to put a stop to it. By making people not feel welcome for doing it. A business is not good or bad, it does what it needs to do to make money, and in the best way. If people are fueling it. We need to target them.

I find this quite offensive - making me a target just because I buy a crown only house with my subscription crowns. I have to do something with those - so why not buy a house with it - it comes with my subscription in a way.

I mean you can find it offensive, but you spent money on that cash shop knowing that they get people addicted through loot boxes. You ignored the corruption and turned a blind eye to it for your own enjoyment, and that help make the game worse for everyone else.

I'm at fault also, at one point in time I shrug and not cared what people did, but look at how bad things has become. The MMO community would be up in arms about a cash shop in a mmo. Yet, we are numb to it.

The game would be better without cash shop. If they made all the money through DLCS and such. The quality of the game would have went through the roof. Cash shop lets them be lazy.

No, I'm subscribing because I like it's features - and crowns come with it and i am using those - what else to do with those?-

And as far as loot boxes go - I stayed away from ESO for 9 months because I found it offensive - but then again, I am not responsible for people who cannot control their own behavior. And it doesn't help when I avoid playing and having fun - it is their problem not mine.

rager82b14_ESO · March 2020

Lysette wrote: »

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

No one needs that crown store stuff to play the game - it is totally optional. Who likes it and doesn't mind, buys it and enjoys it,and who doesn't want it, doesn't have to buy it. Why is that so hard to understand - nothing in the store is required.

While I agree with you, to some extent (as @rager82b14_ESO said, vanity is content, it's frustrating to see the coolest stuff with which to dress up your in-game alter ego constantly behind a paywall), you know what I could also do without? Game design decisions that have one purpose only, that purpose being driving store sales. If you think ESO design hasn't been affected by its monetisation model, and for the worse at that, I have a very nice bridge I want to sell you.

Well, the problem is both sided - on one side the company tries to prey on addictions - i dislike that - but on the other side, it is a personal problem of people as well, if they cannot control themselves to the point that they get addicted. Like i said nothing of that is required - you are as well not complaining about people driving a Ferrari irl - you don't think that you need it just because someone else might enjoy it. And if you are like this anyway, something is wrong with you, not with the Ferrari driver.

That is why it is up to the community to put a stop to it. By making people not feel welcome for doing it. A business is not good or bad, it does what it needs to do to make money, and in the best way. If people are fueling it. We need to target them.

I find this quite offensive - making me a target just because I buy a crown only house with my subscription crowns. I have to do something with those - so why not buy a house with it - it comes with my subscription in a way.

I mean you can find it offensive, but you spent money on that cash shop knowing that they get people addicted through loot boxes. You ignored the corruption and turned a blind eye to it for your own enjoyment, and that help make the game worse for everyone else.

I'm at fault also, at one point in time I shrug and not cared what people did, but look at how bad things has become. The MMO community would be up in arms about a cash shop in a mmo. Yet, we are numb to it.

The game would be better without cash shop. If they made all the money through DLCS and such. The quality of the game would have went through the roof. Cash shop lets them be lazy.

No, I'm subscribing because I like it's features - and crowns come with it and i am using those - what else to do with those?-

I mean sure, if that is all you done. That is fine, notice how I said people who pay into the cash shop.

Many of the mmos coming out broke the rumors that you even need a sub fee to keep servers up.

My problems with ESO is. Not only do they overcharge for DLC with questionable content amount for price they ask for, but a sub fee along with a cash shop and a loot box to go with it.

Sub fee, I'm cool with..just not with it and a cash shop.

Magenpie · March 2020

I think it's best not to 'target' anyone for anything you disagree with, tbh, but I think making the Crown Store items more abundant, cheaper and available to more players would be great for everyone.

If you're not interested in cosmetics, it's not a problem for you, and that's fine. But a lot of mmo players DO like cosmetic items, and maybe would be even happier to play the game, and spend more money on it. Win! \o/

Btw, if cosmetic items weren't that important why would mmos have cosmetics in cash shops at all? Waste of precious resources, surely.

I wish more cosmetic items were available from within the game (I know there are some but I'd like there to be more and a wider variety) and I think the cash shop should be generally a bit cheaper, with more stuff, to appeal to more people. Don't mind if there's a Giant Gold Castle on sale for £3000 if someone is likely to buy it, but not to the exclusion of all the other stuff less wealthy players might like.

Stuff for everyone, and money for ZOS.

Lysette · March 2020

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

No one needs that crown store stuff to play the game - it is totally optional. Who likes it and doesn't mind, buys it and enjoys it,and who doesn't want it, doesn't have to buy it. Why is that so hard to understand - nothing in the store is required.

While I agree with you, to some extent (as @rager82b14_ESO said, vanity is content, it's frustrating to see the coolest stuff with which to dress up your in-game alter ego constantly behind a paywall), you know what I could also do without? Game design decisions that have one purpose only, that purpose being driving store sales. If you think ESO design hasn't been affected by its monetisation model, and for the worse at that, I have a very nice bridge I want to sell you.

Well, the problem is both sided - on one side the company tries to prey on addictions - i dislike that - but on the other side, it is a personal problem of people as well, if they cannot control themselves to the point that they get addicted. Like i said nothing of that is required - you are as well not complaining about people driving a Ferrari irl - you don't think that you need it just because someone else might enjoy it. And if you are like this anyway, something is wrong with you, not with the Ferrari driver.

That is why it is up to the community to put a stop to it. By making people not feel welcome for doing it. A business is not good or bad, it does what it needs to do to make money, and in the best way. If people are fueling it. We need to target them.

I find this quite offensive - making me a target just because I buy a crown only house with my subscription crowns. I have to do something with those - so why not buy a house with it - it comes with my subscription in a way.

I mean you can find it offensive, but you spent money on that cash shop knowing that they get people addicted through loot boxes. You ignored the corruption and turned a blind eye to it for your own enjoyment, and that help make the game worse for everyone else.

I'm at fault also, at one point in time I shrug and not cared what people did, but look at how bad things has become. The MMO community would be up in arms about a cash shop in a mmo. Yet, we are numb to it.

The game would be better without cash shop. If they made all the money through DLCS and such. The quality of the game would have went through the roof. Cash shop lets them be lazy.

No, I'm subscribing because I like it's features - and crowns come with it and i am using those - what else to do with those?-

I mean sure, if that is all you done. That is fine, notice how I said people who pay into the cash shop.

Many of the mmos coming out broke the rumors that you even need a sub fee to keep servers up.

My problems with ESO is. Not only do they overcharge for DLC with questionable content amount for price they ask for, but a sub fee along with a cash shop and a loot box to go with it.

Sub fee, I'm cool with..just not with it and a cash shop.

That was my consequence dealing with those loot boxes - no longer buying extra crowns - just using those from ESO+.

rager82b14_ESO · March 2020

Magenpie wrote: »

I think it's best not to 'target' anyone for anything you disagree with, tbh, but I think making the Crown Store items more abundant, cheaper and available to more players would be great for everyone.

If you're not interested in cosmetics, it's not a problem for you, and that's fine. But a lot of mmo players DO like cosmetic items, and maybe would be even happier to play the game, and spend more money on it. Win! \o/

Btw, if cosmetic items weren't that important why would mmos have cosmetics in cash shops at all? Waste of precious resources, surely.

I wish more cosmetic items were available from within the game (I know there are some but I'd like there to be more and a wider variety) and I think the cash shop should be generally a bit cheaper, with more stuff, to appeal to more people. Don't mind if there's a Giant Gold Castle on sale for £3000 if someone is likely to buy it, but not to the exclusion of all the other stuff less wealthy players might like.

Stuff for everyone, and money for ZOS.

We are long passed the time for that.

Look, a few years ago I agree with you, but things have got so bad in gaming that we are trying to get the GOV to step in to stop them, at a certain point we need to take a step back and say, well a company is going to do this because people buy into it. We only got ourselves to blame for letting it get this bad.

Lysette · March 2020

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

Magenpie wrote: »

I think it's best not to 'target' anyone for anything you disagree with, tbh, but I think making the Crown Store items more abundant, cheaper and available to more players would be great for everyone.

If you're not interested in cosmetics, it's not a problem for you, and that's fine. But a lot of mmo players DO like cosmetic items, and maybe would be even happier to play the game, and spend more money on it. Win! \o/

Btw, if cosmetic items weren't that important why would mmos have cosmetics in cash shops at all? Waste of precious resources, surely.

I wish more cosmetic items were available from within the game (I know there are some but I'd like there to be more and a wider variety) and I think the cash shop should be generally a bit cheaper, with more stuff, to appeal to more people. Don't mind if there's a Giant Gold Castle on sale for £3000 if someone is likely to buy it, but not to the exclusion of all the other stuff less wealthy players might like.

Stuff for everyone, and money for ZOS.

We are long passed the time for that.

Look, a few years ago I agree with you, but things have got so bad in gaming that we are trying to get the GOV to step in to stop them, at a certain point we need to take a step back and say, well a company is going to do this because people buy into it. We only got ourselves to blame for letting it get this bad.

This is correct - but what would happen if nothing extra is offered - people will just switch to games where it is offered. You can't make people change, they want this stuff - by what reasons ever - maybe to stand out even no one stands out anymore if everyone is buying that stuff.

Magenpie · March 2020

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

Magenpie wrote: »

I think it's best not to 'target' anyone for anything you disagree with, tbh, but I think making the Crown Store items more abundant, cheaper and available to more players would be great for everyone.

If you're not interested in cosmetics, it's not a problem for you, and that's fine. But a lot of mmo players DO like cosmetic items, and maybe would be even happier to play the game, and spend more money on it. Win! \o/

Btw, if cosmetic items weren't that important why would mmos have cosmetics in cash shops at all? Waste of precious resources, surely.

I wish more cosmetic items were available from within the game (I know there are some but I'd like there to be more and a wider variety) and I think the cash shop should be generally a bit cheaper, with more stuff, to appeal to more people. Don't mind if there's a Giant Gold Castle on sale for £3000 if someone is likely to buy it, but not to the exclusion of all the other stuff less wealthy players might like.

Stuff for everyone, and money for ZOS.

We are long passed the time for that.

Look, a few years ago I agree with you, but things have got so bad in gaming that we are trying to get the GOV to step in to stop them, at a certain point we need to take a step back and say, well a company is going to do this because people buy into it. We only got ourselves to blame for letting it get this bad.

I absolutely agree with you in lots of ways, but...as you rightly say, that ship has sailed, so perhaps it's good to make the best of a bad situation.

I'm not fond of absolute statements because they come back to bite you in the bum, but I reckon the chances of the Crown Store going away are zero to none. However, that doesn't mean things can't be improved to please a wider set of the player base.

I think it's a bit rubbish that the people who want cosmetic items aren't given more chance to 'earn' them (people seem very keen on other players 'earning' things) but if the cash shop is here to stay, make it generally less annoying. Cheaper, no stupid boxes, no stupid gems, and a bigger variety of things to buy.

Trust me, I lost years of my life through unhealthy rage when cash shops started appearing in my fave mmos, but some systems are better than others, and i think it's ok to persuade/cajole/lobby ZOS to improve the ESO one.

But trying to get rid of the Crown Store will just make you sad and cross I think. I do really sympathise though.

rager82b14_ESO · March 2020

Magenpie wrote: »

We are long passed the time for that.

Look, a few years ago I agree with you, but things have got so bad in gaming that we are trying to get the GOV to step in to stop them, at a certain point we need to take a step back and say, well a company is going to do this because people buy into it. We only got ourselves to blame for letting it get this bad.

I absolutely agree with you in lots of ways, but...as you rightly say, that ship has sailed, so perhaps it's good to make the best of a bad situation.

I'm not fond of absolute statements because they come back to bite you in the bum, but I reckon the chances of the Crown Store going away are zero to none. However, that doesn't mean things can't be improved to please a wider set of the player base.

I think it's a bit rubbish that the people who want cosmetic items aren't given more chance to 'earn' them (people seem very keen on other players 'earning' things) but if the cash shop is here to stay, make it generally less annoying. Cheaper, no stupid boxes, no stupid gems, and a bigger variety of things to buy.

Trust me, I lost years of my life through unhealthy rage when cash shops started appearing in my fave mmos, but some systems are better than others, and i think it's ok to persuade/cajole/lobby ZOS to improve the ESO one.

But trying to get rid of the Crown Store will just make you sad and cross I think. I do really sympathise though.

Sadly I agree, the damage has already been done. And it has become the normal and accepted anymore. For it to even work, it would take a massive community wide boycott, and even with that, we are dealing with an addiction problem that we can't stop.

We are numb to it, and it blows. It would take a huge amount of people to shun and just call people out who spends money on it, and make them not feel welcome in the community. Harsh? yup, but so is this cash shop deal that keeps ruining mmos.

It is rough, but all we can do is just play our part lol.

Kiyakotari · March 2020

I also bought Forgemaster Falls, but like some others have said, I got it using crowns from ESO+ sub, not crowns bought specifically for purchasing the house. In addition, I skipped the furnished version (even though I do plan to go traditional Orsimer with the furnishings in the home) because aside from the fires, I didn't see any furnishings that were crown-exclusive, and if I can already craft it in game why would I pay crowns to get it the fast & easy way?

Cpt_Teemo · March 2020

They should make ESO tokens which act like a real sub for be purchaseable in game for gold if someone buys for real $ like WoW tokens, so have them cost 20$ to buy and be able to sell in game or on a npc market system in game designed for only the token market so you wouldn't need a guild to be able to sell it

Set a max Min / max Max price as well to control the prices of them

kargen27 · March 2020

Magenpie wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

Brandathorbel wrote: »

Yes people buy but what Zos doesn't seem to understand by lowering the price they will probably make more money by selling many many more houses.

then the more people with houses, the more subs get renewed and the more people are in the housing system which means more money with furniture packs and crown furniture.

People keep saying this. Thing is large companies usually have an entire department that researches these things and they are usually good at determining a price point that generates the most profit. If their research showed lower prices would generate more profits the change would be made.

Do they?

Yeah, often.

and

Yeah, they do.

wolfbone · March 2020

then dont *** buy it them then.

MornaBaine · March 2020

I think rather than turning on each other we really need to focus on the game and its company. People like what they like and will spend or not spend as they like. Do I think some of those consumer decisions are foolish and detrimental to the game overall? I surely do. But that is beyond my control or influence.

I spend money on this game and I spend it on vanity items that I enjoy. But the value of those items is much lower than it should be for the prices being charged. I don't care why that is. I don't care if it's because foolish people pay for things they logically shouldn't.

I care that companies have fallen overall into a pattern of using psychological manipulation and low quality items full of shoddy workmanship. I don't care why they do it. I don't care that consumers "let" them. I only care that it's unethical on the part of the companies doing it. Companies are made up of people. And if they are people who prey on other people, they are in the wrong. No one forces them to do this. They make that choice. THAT is who we should be calling out. And for just that reason.