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Let's talk heavy attack set and the HISTORY or earning the right to heavy attack.
phoenixkungfu
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I like to say to start. I see eso as much more then a Casual gameplay only mmo. So for me eso is at it's best when you get the feeling of reward of earning achievement or grind of the prefect set combination that rocks. I like to go over THE HISTORY OF HEAVY ATTACK BUILDS and how the meaning is lost.
To start to have best in slot you have to have a maelstrom staff. Omg this can be a nightmare. (Luckily I have flawless conqueror) but if you earn it, you can get a lightning staff.
This goal I rate to be about a half a year to a year.
Now let's talk undaunted Infiltrator and the farming. (THE ULTIMATE NIGHTMARE)
if your a true pvp(live and die by the heavy attack build) you only see heavy attack damage only. With this in mind
No set will add raw damage of 1147. To your heavy attack. Then why is undaunted Infiltrator not best in slot for heavyattack. The answer is it's out dated by alot. Here is the history of heavy attacks and changes forgotten by most by not elder players like myself.
THE HISTORY OF HEAVY ATTACKS.
BY PHOENIXKUNGFU
in the beginning heavyattacks was based on weapon damage only. (This includes magic) this might be confusing to understand. So to make it easier no matter the build spell damage was never factor in or spell critical. This is important to understand because to create a heavy attack lightning build you had to be a hybrid. If your goal was to focus on heavy attack damage.(also PROC SET CRIT AT THE BEGINNING)
Undaunted Infiltrator is to this day based on this
Undaunted Infiltrator stat
Magic 1083
Magic 1093
823 weapon crit
765 light attack, heavy attack 1147
THEN CHANGES AND NERFS
the first change was heavyattack will now be based on spell damage as well as crit. This was huge for magic lightning staff builds. If mean you didn't have to be a hybrid.
The next change was proc set no longer crit. This was without a doubt a INDIRECT NERF SITUATION. Undaunted Infiltrator was not the target. At the time it was nightblade using Viper sting(lol remember that nightmare gameplay) it was without a doubt a issue. When all proc set no longer crit. It really mess with the balance of heavy attack focus builds.
Then magic and spell damage equals heavy attack damage. This brings us to current gameplay
After seeing this HISTORY you can clearly see what has happened. Build focus on heavy attack damage has received indirect nerfs. As a result sets like julianos beats out undaunted Infiltrator in heavy attack rotations in PVE.
WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT
heavyattack build in eso has always been a earn it to do the most damage. Maelstrom plus jewelry and weapon of undaunted Infiltrator. This by no means a eazy feat. AND IT SHOULDN'T BE. Their is plenty of other playstyle to just jump into the game and be competitive or for Casual play. Ultimately chasing this play style has been a gift and a curse. After earning this set up of a long 1 plus year of grinding I just dont want to let it go. Plus it not fair to the elder player to see the lore and gameplay grind water down. The lore and history of undaunted Infiltrator is that the undaunted sets are, based on the name of the undaunted skill line, which is based on dungeon based on pve. It's a unique playstyle that you can only get by way of pve. Maelstrom area and arx corinium. So honor the past and Celebrate the future. Bring undaunted Infiltrator back update that classic earn it build to be bis for a heavy attack rotation in pve. Their is HISTORY and Legacy to why it should be this way.
"IT THE UNDAUNTED SETS" so earning the heavy attack playstyle should be just as competitive as learning a animation rotation skill with set combinations that are easier to pick up.
Edited by phoenixkungfu on March 12, 2020 5:25PM To start to have best in slot you have to have a maelstrom staff. Omg this can be a nightmare. (Luckily I have flawless conqueror) but if you earn it, you can get a lightning staff.
This goal I rate to be about a half a year to a year.
Now let's talk undaunted Infiltrator and the farming. (THE ULTIMATE NIGHTMARE)
if your a true pvp(live and die by the heavy attack build) you only see heavy attack damage only. With this in mind
No set will add raw damage of 1147. To your heavy attack. Then why is undaunted Infiltrator not best in slot for heavyattack. The answer is it's out dated by alot. Here is the history of heavy attacks and changes forgotten by most by not elder players like myself.
THE HISTORY OF HEAVY ATTACKS.
BY PHOENIXKUNGFU
in the beginning heavyattacks was based on weapon damage only. (This includes magic) this might be confusing to understand. So to make it easier no matter the build spell damage was never factor in or spell critical. This is important to understand because to create a heavy attack lightning build you had to be a hybrid. If your goal was to focus on heavy attack damage.(also PROC SET CRIT AT THE BEGINNING)
Undaunted Infiltrator is to this day based on this
Undaunted Infiltrator stat
Magic 1083
Magic 1093
823 weapon crit
765 light attack, heavy attack 1147
THEN CHANGES AND NERFS
the first change was heavyattack will now be based on spell damage as well as crit. This was huge for magic lightning staff builds. If mean you didn't have to be a hybrid.
The next change was proc set no longer crit. This was without a doubt a INDIRECT NERF SITUATION. Undaunted Infiltrator was not the target. At the time it was nightblade using Viper sting(lol remember that nightmare gameplay) it was without a doubt a issue. When all proc set no longer crit. It really mess with the balance of heavy attack focus builds.
Then magic and spell damage equals heavy attack damage. This brings us to current gameplay
After seeing this HISTORY you can clearly see what has happened. Build focus on heavy attack damage has received indirect nerfs. As a result sets like julianos beats out undaunted Infiltrator in heavy attack rotations in PVE.
WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT
heavyattack build in eso has always been a earn it to do the most damage. Maelstrom plus jewelry and weapon of undaunted Infiltrator. This by no means a eazy feat. AND IT SHOULDN'T BE. Their is plenty of other playstyle to just jump into the game and be competitive or for Casual play. Ultimately chasing this play style has been a gift and a curse. After earning this set up of a long 1 plus year of grinding I just dont want to let it go. Plus it not fair to the elder player to see the lore and gameplay grind water down. The lore and history of undaunted Infiltrator is that the undaunted sets are, based on the name of the undaunted skill line, which is based on dungeon based on pve. It's a unique playstyle that you can only get by way of pve. Maelstrom area and arx corinium. So honor the past and Celebrate the future. Bring undaunted Infiltrator back update that classic earn it build to be bis for a heavy attack rotation in pve. Their is HISTORY and Legacy to why it should be this way.
"IT THE UNDAUNTED SETS" so earning the heavy attack playstyle should be just as competitive as learning a animation rotation skill with set combinations that are easier to pick up.
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zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You forgot the part where the set specifically says that it adds 1147 dmg to your heavy attack, while in reality for lightning it adds 1147 to every heavy tick, making fire heavy attacks that are supposed to be more single target oriented deal less damage than lightning that is aoe oriented.
Funnies thing is that dk buff of 50% dmg to heavy attacks is affecting only last tick of lightning heavy, while the set that should buff a heavy attack once, does it 4 times.Edited by zvavi on March 12, 2020 5:22PM9 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭"Back in my day, we had to farm for Undaunted Infiltrator if we wanted to run a heavy attack build. You young whippersnappers don't know how good you've got it with this newfangled "Julianos" and stuff."
TLDR: Buff Undaunted Infiltrator.13 -
phoenixkungfu✭✭✭✭You forgot the part where the set specifically says that it adds 1147 dmg to your heavy attack, while in reality for lightning it adds 1147 to every heavy tick, making fire heavy attacks that are supposed to be more single target oriented deal less damage than lightning that is aoe oriented.
Funnies thing is that dk buff of 50% dmg to heavy attacks is affecting only last tick of lightning heavy, while the set that should buff a heavy attack once, does it 4 times.
It's the lightning staff set. So yes it should be that way. If I was to give creative ideas I would make flawless conqueror or weekly rewards drop prefect maelstrom staff. That would be amazing.0 -
ne.ga.kurai_ESO✭✭✭I farmed Arx 2.5 times on normal last night and got a lightning. Have I earned the right to H E A V Y ?11
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phoenixkungfu✭✭✭✭ne.ga.kurai_ESO wrote: »I farmed Arx 2.5 times on normal last night and got a lightning. Have I earned the right to H E A V Y ?
Wtf, mmmmmmm you lucky son of a gun. I HATE YOU. Lol jk. I think I just have bad luck lol. Also I think the drop rate are way easier nowEdited by phoenixkungfu on March 12, 2020 5:33PM0 -
Fur_like_snow✭✭✭✭✭
✭How many GCD does it take to channel one heavy attack? Just like the dinosaurs HA builds went outta style. Nothing else to say really.0 -
ne.ga.kurai_ESO✭✭✭I farmed Arx 2.5 times on normal last night and got a lightning. Have I earned the right to H E A V Y ?Fur_like_snow wrote: »How many GCD does it take to channel one heavy attack? Just like the dinosaurs HA builds went outta style. Nothing else to say really.
About 2.1 seconds :
source : https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/390244/heavy-attack-resources-and-damage-scaling-a-100-millisecond-breakdown-all-weaponsEdited by ne.ga.kurai_ESO on March 12, 2020 6:02PM0 -
ArchMikem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I dont get the point behind this speech. Heavy Attack builds are still a thing.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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Raisin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Ah yes, NO other filthy casual build understands what it's like to have to farm a vma destro AND a set from an easy base game dungeon!!! this is how you WORK for your GEAR you fools14 -
Koensol✭✭✭✭✭
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Stopped reading when you said "u" in stead of "you".thatESOdude wrote: »Stopped reading when u said "your" instead of "you're"28 -
Raisin✭✭✭✭✭
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Stopped reading when you said "u" in stead of "you".thatESOdude wrote: »Stopped reading when u said "your" instead of "you're"
Stopped reading when yöü said "in stead" instead of "instead".29 -
NordSwordnBoard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Knight Slayer set may give more raw damage per heavy attack than undaunted infiltrator.Fear is the Mindkiller2 -
phoenixkungfu✭✭✭✭NordSwordnBoard wrote: »Knight Slayer set may give more raw damage per heavy attack than undaunted infiltrator.
Knight slayer and Infiltrator are amazing together. I'm using it right now.2 -
dazee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The idea of Best in Slot in ESO makes me laugh. it does not apply anywhere close to the same way it does in other games.
BIS DEPENDS ON YOUR BUILD FOLKS, sure if you always run canned meta builds it'll probably be roughly the same. But if you play for fun, it will often be quite different.
Heck if the "BIS" makes you squishy, and you dont like dropping dead constantly, then its not BIS.Playing your character the way your character should play is all that matters. Play as well as you can but never betray the character. Doing so would make playing an mmoRPG pointless.7 -
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✭thatESOdude wrote: »Stopped reading when u said "your" instead of "you're"
It is very obvious, even for non native speakers, that the OP is not a native speaker. Change your attitude.3 -
ZonasArch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭phoenixkungfu wrote: »NordSwordnBoard wrote: »Knight Slayer set may give more raw damage per heavy attack than undaunted infiltrator.
Knight slayer and Infiltrator are amazing together. I'm using it right now.
If they are amazing together, why are you complaining and asking for more buffs? O.o5 -
ZonasArch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭thatESOdude wrote: »Stopped reading when u said "your" instead of "you're"
It is very obvious, even for non native speakers, that the OP is not a native speaker. Change your attitude.
I believe they only said that to try and start a chained meme post... Check the ones that came after and you'll get the idea.1 -
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✭The idea of Best in Slot in ESO makes me laugh. it does not apply anywhere close to the same way it does in other games.
BIS DEPENDS ON YOUR BUILD FOLKS, sure if you always run canned meta builds it'll probably be roughly the same. But if you play for fun, it will often be quite different.
Heck if the "BIS" makes you squishy, and you dont like dropping dead constantly, then its not BIS.
The idea that people who use bis and meta are not playing for fun makes me laugh.
Why do you think being sufficiently geared to do the hardest content in the game is not fun? People who do end game actually have a lot of fun because many times they spent long weeks in progression and being able to clear a trial or get an achievement ends with cheering and shouts of happiness.
Do you get the same amount of satisfaction and community when you clear quests on your heavy attack xynode easy sorc? 🙄PS4 EU Aga_The_Grey - retired | PC EU AgaTheGreat8 -
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✭✭Has anyone tried Knight Slayer for a heavy attack build?
Doing the basic math it seems interesting compared to Undaunted Infiltrator.
Undaunted Infiltrator
When you use an ability that costs Magicka, your Light Attacks deal an additional 774 damage and Heavy Attacks deal an additional 1161 damage for 10 seconds.
1161 x 4 ticks = 4644 extra damage for each lightning staff heavy attack (assuming these ticks are not affected by crits)
Knight Slayer
Your fully-charged Heavy Attacks deal an additional 8% of their Maximum Health as Oblivion Damage. This can deal a maximum of 8000 Oblivion Damage.
Against targets with >100k health (which is very common in PVE) heavy attacks should deal 8000 oblivion damage.
Downside would be that it only works on fully-charged heavy attacks but the damage difference is significant.PC - EU (AD)Septimus Mezar - Altmer Sorcerer
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Septimus Jah'zar - Khajiit Nightblade
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✭ne.ga.kurai_ESO wrote: »I farmed Arx 2.5 times on normal last night and got a lightning. Have I earned the right to H E A V Y ?
No you bloody well havnt, given I have run Arx Corinium in excess of 350 times, and never dropped a lightning staff.
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✭I have theory crafted a stamina heavy attack build, but never actually gone ahead and created it... yet. Obviously you have to throw the meta out the window, thats not what this is about. Most seem to discount stamina for such a build hence why I have focused on this here.
Anyway, sets which can be considered for any such Stamina based build, which have heavy attack components to them, in no particular order...
Sunderflame
Sergeants Mail
Morkuldin
Undaunted Unweaver
Poisonous Serpent
Savage Werewolf
Curse of Doylemish
Embershield
Maw of the Infernal
Zaan
Spawn of Mephala
Soo, the idea that a heavy attack build is not a thing any longer, seems wrong given the preponderance of heavy attack focused sets available. This isnt even considering magica options, of which there are plenty. Its just that heavy attack builds are not meta.
(I do not consider sets like Relequen applicable given how slow your stacks would build up).2 -
MerguezMan✭✭✭✭Knight Slayer (light)
(5 items) Your fully-charged Heavy Attacks deal an additional 8% of their Maximum Health as Oblivion Damage. This can deal a maximum of 8000 Oblivion Damage.
You do realize Oblivion damage is capped at 8% of your target's max. health (8% x 30k = 2 400), do you ?
This set is mainly designed to kill dungeon bosses, not to roam in PvP. There are far better options for damage.Edited by MerguezMan on March 13, 2020 12:48PM0 -
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✭✭thatESOdude wrote: »Stopped reading when u said "your" instead of "you're"
Ah yes, because a slight error in grammar renders a discussion meaningless?
Personally, I believe that an individual who can look past such minor mistakes and still understand the message that is being conveyed, is a significantly better reader than those who cannot do this.
Food for thought.In-game username: Un1korn | Happy member of the PCNA UESP guild (Resident Daggerfall Covenant enjoyer) | Main & basically only character: Crucian Vulpin, Imperial Dragonknight of the Daggerfall Covenant, and Undaunted Bulwark (I tank) | Mountain bike enjoyer and vulpine appreciator | If you know me from PCEU: No | To ZOS: THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME BRING MY HORSE INTO BATTLE!3 -
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✭MerguezMan wrote: »Knight Slayer (light)
(5 items) Your fully-charged Heavy Attacks deal an additional 8% of their Maximum Health as Oblivion Damage. This can deal a maximum of 8000 Oblivion Damage.
You do realize Oblivion damage is capped at 8% of your target's max. health (8% x 30k = 2 400), do you ?
This set is mainly designed to kill dungeon bosses, not to roam in PvP. There are far better options for damage.
Very true and an important point to bare in mind regarding the set. Probably why its not anywhere near meta. But, do also bare in mind that it completely ignores resistances, Oblivion sails right through whatever stacked resistance the target has, which is its big plus point.2 -
phoenixkungfu✭✭✭✭AgaTheGreat wrote: »The idea of Best in Slot in ESO makes me laugh. it does not apply anywhere close to the same way it does in other games.
BIS DEPENDS ON YOUR BUILD FOLKS, sure if you always run canned meta builds it'll probably be roughly the same. But if you play for fun, it will often be quite different.
Heck if the "BIS" makes you squishy, and you dont like dropping dead constantly, then its not BIS.
The idea that people who use bis and meta are not playing for fun makes me laugh.
Why do you think being sufficiently geared to do the hardest content in the game is not fun? People who do end game actually have a lot of fun because many times they spent long weeks in progression and being able to clear a trial or get an achievement ends with cheering and shouts of happiness.
Do you get the same amount of satisfaction and community when you clear quests on your heavy attack xynode easy sorc? 🙄
O no no no. First off the feeling of heavy attack is that most rewarding feeling in the game. This may be different for others. I love it when I here your doing pve in pvp. Sorcerer ultimate is amazing. It truly make you feel like a dark side star war user. And with the range nerfs your force to be extremely tactic. Its without a doubt amazing to know despite nerf you still will Conquer and achieve success. No matter the difficulty or the naysayers.
NEXT, HOW DARE YOU COMPARE ME TO SOMEONE ELSE. FOOL I AM THE ORIGINAL.
Just because I dont have some YouTube videos channel. Doesn't mean I wasn't the Source. 275 day of sorcerer. Everything I learn and made happen AND was earn by Trial and fire. This is PHOENIX HEAVY ATTACK BUILD. get it right. Here you next meme.
HOSANNA FOR OVERLOAD
HOSANNA FOR OVERLOAD
HOSANNA FOR OVERLOAD
I HAVE SPOKENEdited by phoenixkungfu on March 13, 2020 2:44PM0 -
NordSwordnBoard✭✭✭✭✭
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So, maybe you can answer this - Does overload HA proc Knight Slayer? I'm under the impression it doesn't as there is no real "full charge" to OL heavy, more of a duration until empty of ult.Fear is the Mindkiller0 -
phoenixkungfu✭✭✭✭NordSwordnBoard wrote: »@phoenixkungfu
So, maybe you can answer this - Does overload HA proc Knight Slayer? I'm under the impression it doesn't as there is no real "full charge" to OL heavy, more of a duration until empty of ult.
Yes heavy attack proc knight slayer and its amazing. Try it out0
