Stamina Healing - Some Thoughts

Ahtu · March 2020

I don't even use circle of protection that skill is useless. Magicka can't outheal stamina if done correctly and that's a fact. I'm not spending for max heals either as I'm wearing support sets, but there is a loophole that nobody is aware of that makes stamina healing broken in a good way and I'd like to keep it that way for the foreseeable future so no I won't be giving any specifics.

I just hit 1.4mil healing in a BG deathmatch not even trying very hard and get compliments about my healing constantly.

ketsparrowhawk · March 2020

Anyone can claim something is a fact and provide zero evidence.

My dual wield/bow 20k HP stamBlade is superior to any META trial tank build in the game. Just gonna have to trust me.

Raisin · March 2020

Ahtu wrote: »

I don't even use circle of protection that skill is useless. Magicka can't outheal stamina if done correctly and that's a fact. I'm not spending for max heals either as I'm wearing support sets, but there is a loophole that nobody is aware of that makes stamina healing broken in a good way and I'd like to keep it that way for the foreseeable future so no I won't be giving any specifics.

I just hit 1.4mil healing in a BG deathmatch not even trying very hard and get compliments about my healing constantly.

Did everybody clap?

Ahtu · March 2020

Bottom line is stamina healing is viable and does not need any buffs but requires an open mind and persistence in order to succeed. Half of this game is figuring things out on your own so I'm not going to lay it all out for you. I'm not bragging simply stating facts here.

Neoauspex · March 2020

Ahtu wrote: »

Bottom line is stamina healing is viable and does not need any buffs but requires an open mind and persistence in order to succeed. Half of this game is figuring things out on your own so I'm not going to lay it all out for you. I'm not bragging simply stating facts here.

Something with Mend Wounds and light attack buffing?

Iskiab · March 2020

Neoauspex wrote: »

Ahtu wrote: »

Bottom line is stamina healing is viable and does not need any buffs but requires an open mind and persistence in order to succeed. Half of this game is figuring things out on your own so I'm not going to lay it all out for you. I'm not bragging simply stating facts here.

Something with Mend Wounds and light attack buffing?

I think that echoing vigor can be stacked multiple times, but I don’t know stamhealing well enough to know how it works. If he’s figured it out good on him, people should experiment more and also be rewarded for it.

Ahtu · March 2020

Neoauspex wrote: »

Ahtu wrote: »

Bottom line is stamina healing is viable and does not need any buffs but requires an open mind and persistence in order to succeed. Half of this game is figuring things out on your own so I'm not going to lay it all out for you. I'm not bragging simply stating facts here.

Something with Mend Wounds and light attack buffing?

Not even close. I've tried Mend Wounds and like Circle of Protection is leaves a lot to be desired.

Ahtu · March 2020

I believe echoing vigor stacks but only if two different people are using it.

Ahtu · March 2020

I forgot to mention that Radiating Regeneration hits half as many people as Echoing Vigor (I believe) which would explain why it heals for twice as much.

GrumpyDuckling · March 2020

Ahtu wrote: »

ketsparrowhawk wrote: »

Ahtu wrote: »

What if I told you that a stamina healer cleared vBRP?

I have no doubts that a stamina healer can be effective and viable in all sorts of content.

My disbelief is that a stamina healer can be STRONGER than a magicka healer, as you claim.

Would love a build description.. gear/skills/etc.

I have found the build that makes stamina healing more powerful than magic healing. You'll just have to take my word for it. I'm not going to post the build here because I like being unique and don't want people copying me in PvP.

Brags about finding a stamina healing build that is "more powerful" than magic healing.
Doesn't provide evidence for said claim, and wants others to blindly believe it is true.
Refuses to share evidence of the build by hiding behind the excuses of being unique and not wanting anyone else to copy the build.

How silly.
Why even mention it in the first place if you truly don't want anyone copying you and finding out your oh-so-special secret? You painted yourself into the corner where your post is either an unnecessary brag, or a lie.

Khumbu · March 2020

Also don’t forget that pure, raw healing output isn’t necessarily what being a good healer is all about in ESO. It’s more about being a healer/buffbot hybrid who buffs the team around you while keeping their HP up.

Does your build provide Ele drain (which requires a staff iirc)? Orbs? If it doesn’t, are you applying those buffs/debuffs in other ways?

Ahtu · March 2020

Yes only recently started using healing orbs which makes the build viable after orbs were changed. No I don't use elemental drain and when I make my groups I only invite stamina DPS unless it's a trial. In theory I could use a similar build with magicka using mutagen or healing springs instead of vigor but I prefer stamina.

ATreeGnome · March 2020

Ahtu wrote: »

What if I told you that a stamina healer cleared vBRP?

You know that lots of groups do vBRP without any healer at all, right?

Somnilux · March 2020

The only major change I want to see is one of the morphs of Mend Wounds in the psijic line to scale off of your Max stat and restore Stam to the user (light amounts). So long as it replaces damage dealing light attacks it's not going to affect pve healing meta.

I'd also like Shrewd Offering from nightblades to scale with max stat instead of just Magicka. I mean Stam nightblades don't offer much in group PvP and a nice creative non selfish heal would help a little I think and wouldn't unbalance 1vX at all.

Cinder storm under DKs might be nice to scale off max stat too but I'm not sure it would be useful or slotted since it offers such a tiny area and a long buff in PvP that's highly movement orientated and has trouble performing in PvP environments on a magicka character as is, but at least it would be decent Stam returned as a magicka dump as there aren't many earthen heart skills used on a DK.

I think these changes wouldn't really have any downsides I can see.

I would also like mortal coil to scale with max stat but Necros are already meta in pve and there are literally no downsides to using and slotting it so I would hold off on that for a while. It's also hard to use those effectively to heal others as is, while I can't think of any of the other healing abilities in the tree that wouldn't absolutely be broken scaling off Stam/max stat.

Stam sorcs have the strongest self healing in the game between the clanfear and crit surge so I'm not sure they really need any tweaking in terms of healing but I would definitely like to see more of their class abilities being useful to a Stam character as this class still seems the sloppiest in terms of redundant skill design and meh morph choices. Can anyone tell me what the point of having both rune cage and daedric mines is for the class toolkit? They are both stuns and could easily be shifted and combined into one skill with different functionality and purpose and something more group orientated added with a Stam morph to the extra skill slot.

Iskiab · March 2020

Somnilux wrote: »

The only major change I want to see is one of the morphs of Mend Wounds in the psijic line to scale off of your Max stat and restore Stam to the user (light amounts). So long as it replaces damage dealing light attacks it's not going to affect pve healing meta.

I'd also like Shrewd Offering from nightblades to scale with max stat instead of just Magicka. I mean Stam nightblades don't offer much in group PvP and a nice creative non selfish heal would help a little I think and wouldn't unbalance 1vX at all.

Cinder storm under DKs might be nice to scale off max stat too but I'm not sure it would be useful or slotted since it offers such a tiny area and a long buff in PvP that's highly movement orientated and has trouble performing in PvP environments on a magicka character as is, but at least it would be decent Stam returned as a magicka dump as there aren't many earthen heart skills used on a DK.

I think these changes wouldn't really have any downsides I can see.

I would also like mortal coil to scale with max stat but Necros are already meta in pve and there are literally no downsides to using and slotting it so I would hold off on that for a while. It's also hard to use those effectively to heal others as is, while I can't think of any of the other healing abilities in the tree that wouldn't absolutely be broken scaling off Stam/max stat.

Stam sorcs have the strongest self healing in the game between the clanfear and crit surge so I'm not sure they really need any tweaking in terms of healing but I would definitely like to see more of their class abilities being useful to a Stam character as this class still seems the sloppiest in terms of redundant skill design and meh morph choices. Can anyone tell me what the point of having both rune cage and daedric mines is for the class toolkit? They are both stuns and could easily be shifted and combined into one skill with different functionality and purpose and something more group orientated added with a Stam morph to the extra skill slot.

I agree, but only thing is mend wounds scales from both stats I think. When I was playing with it, it looks like it just converts your normal light attack damage (so max stat based) and then also scales with healing done modifiers.

I could be wrong, but that’s how I remember it working. The magicka return on heavies is the only way it’s primarily mag, but returning magicka instead of stamina has uses.

I never got it working well in BGs, I mainly got it working well in group pvp play. I mainly used it as a tool to be able to use melee weapons for higher spell/weapon damage and have a ranged light attack... in a sense, like DW or 2H with mend wounds turns the LAs to ranged heals, and I liked how it could be toggled on your back bar with an effect on your front bar. There’s also a synergy with siphoning strikes and the warden heal on light attack ability.