Aznarb wrote: »

TheFM wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

It did feel like they took it a step to the right direction with moongrave fane. But then the dungeons were "too hard" and now we got 2 more that are in no need of a healer. Yey.

Overland players complain, dungeons get nerfed to the point if hilarity. Seriously, the new dungeons are pathetically simple. I felt the previous dungeons were finally going in a good direction,band now we get this. 🤮

At least one of them is very fun to run.

Oh I agree, unhallowed grave is fun indeed with the new mechanics. However it is laughably easy.

codierussell wrote: »

@Varana I agree, the content should not be balanced for the top players, but its not just top players that complete content with these group compositions. But all that goes away from my original comment, make content that requires the roles not make things arbitrarily hard to make up for it. For example, I would say blackrose prison is the hardest 4 man content in the game. In blackrose it is not uncommon for groups to complete with 3 dps, but I would go to say that blackrose even for good groups is a big challenge. I know many really really good players that have yet to complete it. Making content really really hard does not make healing needed, the mechanics dictate that. ZOS needs to make healing mechanically needed, not something that is just nice to have. Although ZOS has tried to implement some mechanics to require larger burst healing, most of these can be forgotten by the tank using a defensive ult.

So to reiterate, I don't want things to necessarily get harder, I want ZOS to implement mechanics to where things are impossible without healers or at least close to it. The only content that comes to mind is Moongrave Fane hard mode with the health debuffs that the block and hemoglobin apply.

We are merely talking about vet dungeons. We are not talking about the content intended to be the most challenging. We are also talking about fairly skilled players that are familiar with the vet DLC dungeons and vBRP that can clear it without a dedicated healer.

So we are not talking about the most difficult content in the game nor are we talking about the average player that can clear content like vet DLC dungeons and vBRP without a healer. Basically, this thread seems to be telling Zos they got something right.

The FACT is tanks and healers are required for the more challenging content in this game and is germane to the thread yet players are stating that easier content can be cleared by experienced groups without a healer which is an absurd argument.

We get a new operation once a year, a mini-op and group arena during the past 3 years. All that on top of 4 dungeons a year. If they are leaving due to lack of content then they are going to games that add less per year.

I did not bother with your discussion about pugging normal trials as that is the bottom of the barrel. Not only is it the easy challenge level of trials but also players desperate enough to pug in chat because they are not in a good PvE guild.

In other words, you are very confused about why raiding players have left the game.

You suggest I read your other comments. We will start with your first big idea, to re-evaluate the role of a healer to someone who just heals and nothing more. You want to remove the utility they bring to the group in raid and make them do only one thing, heal. Not only boring but ignores what healers currently to vet trials outside of Craglorn.

Then your big example of the benefits of your suggestion is vHoF last boss burn phase which cannot be completed without a healer so the example is pointless, Actually, the example supports my statements, not yours.

Edit: To be clear, protection and maim, pretty much anything that will help survival in that fight is provided by healers and tanks in a well-organized group as it is. Also, buffs and debuffs that can buff the group's damage are provided by both roles. In other words, you are countering your own suggestion.

There is no substance for healers in that suggestion. Your point in the context of this thread is lost.

Further, concerning challenging content, it is a very small portion of the player base who has cleared the latest trial let along clearing it on HM. Then we can get into doing it well. In all cases of groups that cleared it they needed a healer.