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Sets need to be reworked!
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Maxdevil✭✭✭Anyway nobody have thoughts on hunt leader?"Maxdevil knows much, and tells some. Maxdevil knows many things others do not."
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Bobby_V_Rockit✭✭✭✭✭
✭I just want my beloved twice-born to be somewhat good again. Just consolidate the magicka and stamina bonus, add mag and stam regen as the fourth bonus and voila!
2 piece: add x health
3 piece: add x magicka and stamina
4 piece: add x mag and stam recovery
5: piece: have two mundus boons at the same time4 -
Maxdevil✭✭✭Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »I just want my beloved twice-born to be somewhat good again. Just consolidate the magicka and stamina bonus, add mag and stam regen as the fourth bonus and voila!
2 piece: add x health
3 piece: add x magicka and stamina
4 piece: add x mag and stam recovery
5: piece: have two mundus boons at the same time
Looks nice"Maxdevil knows much, and tells some. Maxdevil knows many things others do not."
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preevious✭✭✭✭✭
✭Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »I just want my beloved twice-born to be somewhat good again. Just consolidate the magicka and stamina bonus, add mag and stam regen as the fourth bonus and voila!
2 piece: add x health
3 piece: add x magicka and stamina
4 piece: add x mag and stam recovery
5: piece: have two mundus boons at the same time
So simple .. that's actually a great idea0 -
Kahnak✭✭✭✭✭Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »I just want my beloved twice-born to be somewhat good again. Just consolidate the magicka and stamina bonus, add mag and stam regen as the fourth bonus and voila!
2 piece: add x health
3 piece: add x magicka and stamina
4 piece: add x mag and stam recovery
5: piece: have two mundus boons at the same time
That's probably a little too stat heavy for balance.Tombstone Reads: "Forgot to get good"0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Urzigurumash wrote: »
Therein lies the problem.
It seems we are well past 300 sets not including monster set and special weapons. It is an insurmountable task to try to keep all those sets BiS for something. A tremendous amount of manpower and dollars. Certainly, resources that can be spent elsewhere for a greater benefit to the game.
That is a small problem.
The greater problem is who possesses the expertise to determine that every set is BiS for something. Certainly, no one in these forums as we tend to only look at things from our own limited game experience. There are many sets some players enjoy using yet others think are trash.
In the end, you ask for both the impractical and the impossible. Sure, in a perfect world it would be great but we do not live in such a world.0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »I just want my beloved twice-born to be somewhat good again. Just consolidate the magicka and stamina bonus, add mag and stam regen as the fourth bonus and voila!
2 piece: add x health
3 piece: add x magicka and stamina
4 piece: add x mag and stam recovery
5: piece: have two mundus boons at the same time
That is nothing but a copy of TBS with added recovery. Doubt Zos would make this change
It also goes completely against what OP is asking for as it lowers the value of TBS. The idea also shines a light on how impossible and impractical it would be for Zos to try to make every set worthwhile.0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Why are they there then lol just for decoration? It grants almost the same bonuses and the same 5th bonus but one is just better. I know that some set are better for example Julianos and nma, nma is clearly better but they have different bonuses nma give another pen but julianos have another stack of crit so someone could choose julianos if he want to go with crit build vs nma.With how many sets we have to choose from it seems to be a waste of time constantly reworking older sets to keep them relevant.
NMA and Julianos are very different sets before you get to the 5pc bonus. Ofc, just looking at the magicka side of things.
Even at 5pc you are ignoring part of NMAs bonus you are ignoring there is a cost to that additional spell damage and in doing so it paints a false picture.0 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭if you dont like the sets ingame then ask for new ones, dont destroy the ones allready exist.
just make new ones.0 -
dazee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The most trash sets should be reworked first. the ones NO ONE uses even for niche builds.Playing your character the way your character should play is all that matters. Play as well as you can but never betray the character. Doing so would make playing an mmoRPG pointless.1 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Urzigurumash wrote: »
Only what isn't is possible
LOL. 300+ sets being BiS. Zos would have to come up with some pretty stupid activities to make that many sets BiS for something. That, on top of the other logic I presented, is why it will never happen.
Edited to remove me being tagged in what I quoted so I do not get tagged if this post is quoted.Edited by idk on March 5, 2020 10:10PM0 -
Urzigurumash✭✭✭✭✭
✭Urzigurumash wrote: »
Only what isn't is possible
LOL. 300+ sets being BiS. Zos would have to come up with some pretty stupid activities to make that many sets BiS for something. That, on top of the other logic I presented, is why it will never happen.
Edited to remove me being tagged in what I quoted so I do not get tagged if this post is quoted.
Yeah that's what I mean, certain sets are BIS for doing stupid things. Like Crusader is the BIS defensive set to combine with Morihaus, that sort of thing. A split backbar of Veiled Heritance and Noble's Conquest, no other sets in the game would be a better compliment for each other as a split backbar.
I happen to be rather interested in this matter and would happily work on it in a greater capacity.
Edited by Urzigurumash on March 5, 2020 10:36PMXbox NA AD / Day 1 ScrubDK / Wood Orc Cuisine Enthusiast1 -
Bobby_V_Rockit✭✭✭✭✭
✭Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »I just want my beloved twice-born to be somewhat good again. Just consolidate the magicka and stamina bonus, add mag and stam regen as the fourth bonus and voila!
2 piece: add x health
3 piece: add x magicka and stamina
4 piece: add x mag and stam recovery
5: piece: have two mundus boons at the same time
That is nothing but a copy of TBS with added recovery. Doubt Zos would make this change
It also goes completely against what OP is asking for as it lowers the value of TBS. The idea also shines a light on how impossible and impractical it would be for Zos to try to make every set worthwhile.
Not sure I understand? I was proposing ADDING recovery to the existing bonuses of TBS, not a new set altogether...
OP asked for old sets to be reworked, so I suggested adding recovery to TBS as a rework. Not sure how that lowers its value or copies it, seeing as it is exactly the same as it was but with an extra bonus.1 -
Maxdevil✭✭✭Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »I just want my beloved twice-born to be somewhat good again. Just consolidate the magicka and stamina bonus, add mag and stam regen as the fourth bonus and voila!
2 piece: add x health
3 piece: add x magicka and stamina
4 piece: add x mag and stam recovery
5: piece: have two mundus boons at the same time
I think I would only keep Only the 4th bonus of what you suggested because the set can be already pretty good if you are running all divines in my opinion"Maxdevil knows much, and tells some. Maxdevil knows many things others do not."
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YandereGirlfriend✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It really would NOT be an overwhelming amount of work to re-visit most of these dead sets.
Put two interns on the task for the summer: (300 sets / 90 days) / 2 workers = ~1.5 sets per worker per day and there's 8 hours in a work day = ~4 hours per set to brainstorm and tweak the numbers, simplicity itself.
I'm also pretty sure that a few of us on here would do it for free via crowdsourcing and arrive at sets more balanced that New Moon Acolyte and Mother Ciannait.
Brutal honesty, but it is simply a lack of effort on ZOS' part that they don't do this, coupled with the chronic inefficiencies that seem to plague their office. Honestly, I wonder what their balance and itemization team actually does during the week given that they have 3-month patch cycles that usually result in only nominal tweaks made to a tiny handful of sets.0 -
Royaji✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YandereGirlfriend wrote: »It really would NOT be an overwhelming amount of work to re-visit most of these dead sets.
Put two interns on the task for the summer: (300 sets / 90 days) / 2 workers = ~1.5 sets per worker per day and there's 8 hours in a work day = ~4 hours per set to brainstorm and tweak the numbers, simplicity itself.
I'm also pretty sure that a few of us on here would do it for free via crowdsourcing and arrive at sets more balanced that New Moon Acolyte and Mother Ciannait.
Brutal honesty, but it is simply a lack of effort on ZOS' part that they don't do this, coupled with the chronic inefficiencies that seem to plague their office. Honestly, I wonder what their balance and itemization team actually does during the week given that they have 3-month patch cycles that usually result in only nominal tweaks made to a tiny handful of sets.
Putting interns on set rebalancing is how we've ended up with Mother Ciannait and the whole Ice Heart fiasco.0 -
YandereGirlfriend✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YandereGirlfriend wrote: »It really would NOT be an overwhelming amount of work to re-visit most of these dead sets.
Put two interns on the task for the summer: (300 sets / 90 days) / 2 workers = ~1.5 sets per worker per day and there's 8 hours in a work day = ~4 hours per set to brainstorm and tweak the numbers, simplicity itself.
I'm also pretty sure that a few of us on here would do it for free via crowdsourcing and arrive at sets more balanced that New Moon Acolyte and Mother Ciannait.
Brutal honesty, but it is simply a lack of effort on ZOS' part that they don't do this, coupled with the chronic inefficiencies that seem to plague their office. Honestly, I wonder what their balance and itemization team actually does during the week given that they have 3-month patch cycles that usually result in only nominal tweaks made to a tiny handful of sets.
Putting interns on set rebalancing is how we've ended up with Mother Ciannait and the whole Ice Heart fiasco.
Balancing-by-spreadsheet is how we ended up with the Mother Ciannait fiasco and I guarantee that an intern did not come up with that idea.1