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War Maidens vs BSW (probably old news. Just want some clarity).
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WrathOfInnos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭War Maiden does buff restoration staff light attacks, but not heals. So not particularly useful.0 -
Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭You are mistaken on what War Maiden actually affects. It does not give flat spell damage increase. It only works on skills that deal generic non-elemental magic damage. So it doesn't work for any flame/shock/ice skill like WoE and staff light/heavy attacks
BSW on the other hand gives true spell damage and works for all magicka skills. It outperforms War Maiden unless more than 70-80% of your damage is non-elemental magic damage which pretty much never happens.
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Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭kypranb14_ESO wrote: »Probably also worth noting that Restoration Staff Light attacks are all Magic Damage, and therefore buffed by War Maiden.
yes, but the dmg they do is way lower. Shock staff will do always more dmh than resto.
Nevertheles, resto in PvP is a great way to recover resources fast, through full HA.
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BlackMadara✭✭✭✭KingJeffery wrote: »https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Elemental+Blockade was the wiki I was referring to:
Updated: 12 Feb 2019 01:47
You should reflect on your bias.
Via the https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Wall_of_Elements
Magic Damage: Flame Damage • Frost Damage • Shock Damage
I'm unsure as to why the tooltip would say magic damage and then not be "magic damage" based on the staff.... Its effect is pretty clear. I am not misunderstanding the diction here. It is clearly stated as magic damage.
I understand LA damage in conjunction with skills. What I do not understand is the relevance of it in this post. Is there some hidden mechanic with BSW and War Maidens and the SD that I am missing?
Edit: I understand this now. the spell damage buffs the staff damage in addition to other types of damage, correct? Therefore, the BSW SD increase is actually a universal damage/healing increase as opposed to the specific damage type. What youre saying is that the overall increase is significant and the static 400 SD is not applicable overall. Thank you- this makes a difference in perspective.
Its a matter of why is BSW gospel? (Answered)
The argument for the burning damage cannot be made either (an additional effect from the five set bonus from BSW) as many abilities and fire enchants give this effect.
You are mistaken. BSW gives a separate, unique instance of the burning proc. So you can proc burning the normal way and proc it with BSW, at the same time, and have both DoTs ticking. It adds quite a bit of damage
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happyhughes2001✭✭✭✭Would War Maiden be any good on a Magplar? Most of the Templar class skills are magic damage I think?0
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Danksta✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭happyhughes2001 wrote: »Would War Maiden be any good on a Magplar? Most of the Templar class skills are magic damage I think?
@happyhughes2001
First, you're better off creating your own thread instead of digging one up from almost a year ago to ask your question.
To answer your question, there are much better options. If you state for pve or pvp I could give you some examples.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA0 -
YandereGirlfriend✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MagPlar is probably about the only class that WM is particularly good on because their entire class kit is Magic Damage.
That said, it wouldn't buff your Light Attack or Blockade.
I've never really understood the fascination with BSW, to be honest. It seems leftover from an earlier era when high Spell Damage was harder to come by but 2/3 uptime on classes that don't natively do Flame Damage (so you're relying on Blockade and LA to proc) seems like a waste compared to other options.
On a magPlar, give me Scathing Mage (using Jabs as spammable) over WM any day and give me both of them over BSW.
If you're talking PvP, then WM is much more intriguing since you're not using Blockade and there's greater value of always-on (or at least controllable proc) damage buffs.1 -
Danksta✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭happyhughes2001 wrote: »Thanks for replying.
PVE.
BSW (City of Ash), False God (Sunspire), Julianos (craftable) and New Moon Acolyte (craftable) are all better and fairly easy to obtain.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA0 -
Runefang✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭YandereGirlfriend wrote: »MagPlar is probably about the only class that WM is particularly good on because their entire class kit is Magic Damage.
That said, it wouldn't buff your Light Attack or Blockade.
I've never really understood the fascination with BSW, to be honest. It seems leftover from an earlier era when high Spell Damage was harder to come by but 2/3 uptime on classes that don't natively do Flame Damage (so you're relying on Blockade and LA to proc) seems like a waste compared to other options.
On a magPlar, give me Scathing Mage (using Jabs as spammable) over WM any day and give me both of them over BSW.
If you're talking PvP, then WM is much more intriguing since you're not using Blockade and there's greater value of always-on (or at least controllable proc) damage buffs.
BSW was generally the best front bar set before Shadow Mundas and Mother’s Sorrow dominated the mag gear scene.1 -
JumpmanLane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭You are mistaken on what War Maiden actually affects. It does not give flat spell damage increase. It only works on skills that deal generic non-elemental magic damage. So it doesn't work for any flame/shock/ice skill like WoE and staff light/heavy attacks
BSW on the other hand gives true spell damage and works for all magicka skills. It outperforms War Maiden unless more than 70-80% of your damage is non-elemental magic damage which pretty much never happens.
Nah I checked it. 71% flame damage 15% frost damage the rest mag damage on my MagDk. 93% up time on SUCCESSION. (Farm Maelstrom Lol).0 -
Danksta✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭YandereGirlfriend wrote: »MagPlar is probably about the only class that WM is particularly good on because their entire class kit is Magic Damage.
That said, it wouldn't buff your Light Attack or Blockade.
I've never really understood the fascination with BSW, to be honest. It seems leftover from an earlier era when high Spell Damage was harder to come by but 2/3 uptime on classes that don't natively do Flame Damage (so you're relying on Blockade and LA to proc) seems like a waste compared to other options.
On a magPlar, give me Scathing Mage (using Jabs as spammable) over WM any day and give me both of them over BSW.
If you're talking PvP, then WM is much more intriguing since you're not using Blockade and there's greater value of always-on (or at least controllable proc) damage buffs.
Flame enchant, burning and Vampire's Bane are also flame damage and can proc BSW.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA0 -
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✭✭✭YandereGirlfriend wrote: »MagPlar is probably about the only class that WM is particularly good on because their entire class kit is Magic Damage.
That said, it wouldn't buff your Light Attack or Blockade.
I've never really understood the fascination with BSW, to be honest. It seems leftover from an earlier era when high Spell Damage was harder to come by but 2/3 uptime on classes that don't natively do Flame Damage (so you're relying on Blockade and LA to proc) seems like a waste compared to other options.
On a magPlar, give me Scathing Mage (using Jabs as spammable) over WM any day and give me both of them over BSW.
If you're talking PvP, then WM is much more intriguing since you're not using Blockade and there's greater value of always-on (or at least controllable proc) damage buffs.
Flame enchant, burning and Vampire's Bane are also flame damage and can proc BSW.
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dazee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Wall of elements un morphed I believe does magic damage. but you always morph things.Playing your character the way your character should play is all that matters. Play as well as you can but never betray the character. Doing so would make playing an mmoRPG pointless.1 -
YandereGirlfriend✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭JumpmanLane wrote: »You are mistaken on what War Maiden actually affects. It does not give flat spell damage increase. It only works on skills that deal generic non-elemental magic damage. So it doesn't work for any flame/shock/ice skill like WoE and staff light/heavy attacks
BSW on the other hand gives true spell damage and works for all magicka skills. It outperforms War Maiden unless more than 70-80% of your damage is non-elemental magic damage which pretty much never happens.
Nah I checked it. 71% flame damage 15% frost damage the rest mag damage on my MagDk. 93% up time on SUCCESSION. (Farm Maelstrom Lol).
I avoided Succession for so long due to not wanting to have to farm Maelstrom and not fully understanding the insanely high uptimes that you can get with certain classes.
But I sucked it up and farmed it for my Necro and DK and have been loving it ever since.
Of course that parse with Elf Bane and Draugrkin from a few days ago has me excited about that set on my DK as well.0 -
akdave0✭✭✭✭I like war maiden and mother sorrow, or WM and destruction mastery. BSW seems like it hyped up too much for little return.0 -
JumpmanLane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭YandereGirlfriend wrote: »JumpmanLane wrote: »You are mistaken on what War Maiden actually affects. It does not give flat spell damage increase. It only works on skills that deal generic non-elemental magic damage. So it doesn't work for any flame/shock/ice skill like WoE and staff light/heavy attacks
BSW on the other hand gives true spell damage and works for all magicka skills. It outperforms War Maiden unless more than 70-80% of your damage is non-elemental magic damage which pretty much never happens.
Nah I checked it. 71% flame damage 15% frost damage the rest mag damage on my MagDk. 93% up time on SUCCESSION. (Farm Maelstrom Lol).
I avoided Succession for so long due to not wanting to have to farm Maelstrom and not fully understanding the insanely high uptimes that you can get with certain classes.
But I sucked it up and farmed it for my Necro and DK and have been loving it ever since.
Of course that parse with Elf Bane and Draugrkin from a few days ago has me excited about that set on my DK as well.
Succession uptimes are INSANE on a MagDk. Particularly when you slap something like Embers on multiple targets lol.0 -
Grianasteri✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ive used War Maiden on my Magblade (pve), since every single damaging skill is magic damage (on my build). Only in those circumstances I think one can consider War Maiden of real use. I certainly have no complaints on my Magblade.0 -
WrathOfInnos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Grianasteri wrote: »Ive used War Maiden on my Magblade (pve), since every single damaging skill is magic damage (on my build). Only in those circumstances I think one can consider War Maiden of real use. I certainly have no complaints on my Magblade.
I can’t comment on your build specifically, but typically just Light Attacks and Wall/Blockade are enough Fire damage to make even basic sets like Julianos outperform War Maiden.1 -
Jimmy_The_Fixer✭✭✭✭✭For pvp,
War Maiden is reasonable in PvP, there are better options but at least it’s not a gimped set.
Almost every source of “magic” damage is from class skills though, so Innate Axiom is usually a straight upgrade to War Maiden for most pvp classes since it’s boosts self-heals and other damage types.
I wouldn’t use Axiom either, but it’s better and easier to get.Edited by Jimmy_The_Fixer on March 5, 2020 7:13PM0 -
Grianasteri✭✭✭✭✭
✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »Grianasteri wrote: »Ive used War Maiden on my Magblade (pve), since every single damaging skill is magic damage (on my build). Only in those circumstances I think one can consider War Maiden of real use. I certainly have no complaints on my Magblade.
I can’t comment on your build specifically, but typically just Light Attacks and Wall/Blockade are enough Fire damage to make even basic sets like Julianos outperform War Maiden.
Id have to see the parsing analysis. LA are perhaps 20%, while Wall of Elements is actually a flex slot, so not necessarily in use on my build... when it is, its the only non magic damage ability.
So potentially we have 400 magic spell damage (for 80% of my damage output), +129 spell damage, +1 crit and +1 max mag... vs... 300 spell damage (for 100% of my damage output), +2 crit, +1 max mag.
To me it seems its probably quite close in these circumstances, particularly in real game world scenarios as opposed to dummy parsing. I dont mind openly admitting WM is on my Magblade because I had a set laying around, and I noted that everything my Magblade was doing, was indeed magica damage... this saved me crafting yet another Julianos set or going after an appropriate trial set to pair with Mothers Sorrow... for now... its a work in progress ;-)
@Jimmy_The_Fixer it is not necessarily true to say that Innate Axiom is an upgrade to War Maiden, its more complex than this because it depends on the build. If I am using all magica damage skills, then 529 magic damage clearly beats 400 from Axiom.Edited by Grianasteri on March 6, 2020 1:13PM0 -
kylewwefan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Wall of elements un morphed I believe does magic damage. but you always morph things.
Wall of Elements shows magic damage until you equip a stave, then it inherits the type of stave’s elemental. The morph makes no difference.
Several classes do generic magic damage. War Maiden was introduced with Morrowind and the Warden Class.
Warden: shalks, cliff racer, fetcher infection, feral guardian are all magic damage. Now using necrotic orb, soul trap, degeneration are also magic damage.
But they’re right. It won’t buff your light attacks or your wall or a Destro Ult or affect healing.
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kringled_1✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Grianasteri wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »Grianasteri wrote: »Ive used War Maiden on my Magblade (pve), since every single damaging skill is magic damage (on my build). Only in those circumstances I think one can consider War Maiden of real use. I certainly have no complaints on my Magblade.
I can’t comment on your build specifically, but typically just Light Attacks and Wall/Blockade are enough Fire damage to make even basic sets like Julianos outperform War Maiden.
Id have to see the parsing analysis. LA are perhaps 20%, while Wall of Elements is actually a flex slot, so not necessarily in use on my build... when it is, its the only non magic damage ability.
So potentially we have 400 magic spell damage (for 80% of my damage output), +129 spell damage, +1 crit and +1 max mag... vs... 300 spell damage (for 100% of my damage output), +2 crit, +1 max mag.
To me it seems its probably quite close in these circumstances, particularly in real game world scenarios as opposed to dummy parsing. I dont mind openly admitting WM is on my Magblade because I had a set laying around, and I noted that everything my Magblade was doing, was indeed magica damage... this saved me crafting yet another Julianos set or going after an appropriate trial set to pair with Mothers Sorrow... for now... its a work in progress
I looked at my most recent mag blade parse, since I've done one recently for my trials guild. Light attacks were 19%, unstable wall was about 9%. But monster set and enchants (which don't benefit from spell damage) accounted for about another 10%. I haven't done a direct comparison but I suspect this means that Julianos would probably slightly outperform War Maiden on my setup. My light attack rate has a lot of room for improvement also.
It's not the worst set you could use on a mag blade by far, and if it's sufficient for your needs then fair enough. But I suspect there's quite a few better options also.Edited by kringled_1 on March 6, 2020 5:38PM1