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Hey zenimax! Seperate roleplayers pls
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FierceSam✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I would much rather there was a special guild for all those players who come here to whine about the performance of others.
That way they’d be surrounded by like-minded zealots and would presumably never have any issues finding people who might tolerate their rancid attitude.
Meanwhile the rest of us could get on with our days without having to listen to the petulance of spoilt children.12 -
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✭✭✭✭✭In fact, because I’m a “role player” (according to your standards) I don’t believe in tanks that aren’t double sword and board. the new requirement to use a staff or bow turns me off. which is why I’ve stopped tanking.Edited by max_only on March 4, 2020 8:14PM#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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myskyrim26✭✭✭✭✭
✭OrphanHelgen wrote: »NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »That has nothing to do with roleplaying...
I can't find another reason why someone would tank with a bow tho
I'll tell you a reason. Yesterday my guildmate was asking to do a random dungeon. He had a DD character lvl 18, so dungeon was supposed to be easy. I joined with my lvl 29 DD. CP 810 player joined as DD also. The first player asked me to change to tank so that we could use a dungeonfinder and have some random healer to join. So I did. I was a fake tank with a bow and 2h. A healer lvl 20 joined. We did a fast Fungal Grotto, we were barely able to follow a quick 810 CP guildmate - he was running and killing everything like Pelinal Whitestrake.
Was it a good idea for me changing my role to tank? To be frank, I don't feel good about it. I'm not a tank. I was worried about the healer, what he or she will think of me, maybe something like this: another fake tank, could be a reason for ruining the dungeon, we are lucky to have CP 810 guy here. On the other hand, what could I do? Maybe just pretend I don't know how to change role... What would you advise? Of course I will never do this in normal DLC dungeon, not speaking of vets... But what if we know it will be Fungal Grotto or other easy dungeon?Edited by myskyrim26 on March 4, 2020 8:56PM0 -
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✭✭OrphanHelgen wrote: »NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »That has nothing to do with roleplaying...
I can't find another reason why someone would tank with a bow tho
You don’t know how Crusher enchant/ tanking works. Godslayer with warden tank using bow back bar.
https://youtu.be/3wqHXMNx8iI
Yes I know perfectly how it works. It's used with ice or lightningstaff. And by tanking with a bow, I dont mean endless hail on backbar. I mean no taunt and snipe spam.PC, EU server, Ebonheart Pact
Finally a reason not to play League of Legends3 -
dazee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No death runs happen in pugs, but its a nice surprise when it happens. Expecting a pug no death run is as stupid as expecting your dead great grandma to show up for your 50th birthday bringing cookies.
That's only ever gonna happen with the help of a Necromancer.Playing your character the way your character should play is all that matters. Play as well as you can but never betray the character. Doing so would make playing an mmoRPG pointless.1 -
OrphanHelgen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭myskyrim26 wrote: »OrphanHelgen wrote: »NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »That has nothing to do with roleplaying...
I can't find another reason why someone would tank with a bow tho
I'll tell you a reason. Yesterday my guildmate was asking to do a random dungeon. He had a DD character lvl 18, so dungeon was supposed to be easy. I joined with my lvl 29 DD. CP 810 player joined as DD also. The first player asked me to change to tank so that we could use a dungeonfinder and have some random healer to join. So I did. I was a fake tank with a bow and 2h. A healer lvl 20 joined. We did a fast Fungal Grotto, we were barely able to follow a quick 810 CP guildmate - he was running and killing everything like Pelinal Whitestrake.
Was it a good idea for me changing my role to tank? To be frank, I don't feel good about it. I'm not a tank. I was worried about the healer, what he or she will think of me, maybe something like this: another fake tank, could be a reason for ruining the dungeon, we are lucky to have CP 810 guy here. On the other hand, what could I do? Maybe just pretend I don't know how to change role... What would you advise? Of course I will never do this in normal DLC dungeon, not speaking of vets... But what if we know it will be Fungal Grotto or other easy dungeon?
I doubth this is what happened 5 times in a row, but I understand points like that for sure.PC, EU server, Ebonheart Pact
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OrphanHelgen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭In fact, because I’m a “role player” (according to your standards) I don’t believe in tanks that aren’t double sword and board. the new requirement to use a staff or bow turns me off. which is why I’ve stopped tanking.
Tank the way you want, as long as you don't blame the group for whiping when they have boss aggro, which is what happen multiple times today. That is my point!PC, EU server, Ebonheart Pact
Finally a reason not to play League of Legends2 -
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D0PAMINE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Volley has a greater range than WoE. You can debuff far priority adds while still holding the boss.1 -
Wolf_Eye✭✭✭✭✭
✭Elwendryll wrote: »I'm a tank. Bow can work on backbar. Not optimal, but the role of backbar is just to apply crusher enchant, and Endless Hail does that just fine. Lighting staff is better because you can inflict minor vulnerability, the spells cost magicka, and it gives you the option to recover magicka with heavy attacks, both weapons have a ranged interrupt.
But I think you're talking about someone signing up with a fake role to get a faster queue. It has nothing to do with roleplayers, it's most likely just disrespectful (or just genuinely clueless) people.
When you know how to tank, you can tank with mostly anything for the easier base dungeons you would usually PUG. You can tank many base game vet dungeons with a full DD build, just keeping the boss in place, and on you.
The LFG tool is nice, but you need to be ready for anything, because anything can happen. Sometimes it's just a set of genuinely inexperienced DDs that can't pull enough DPS to handle some mechanics, sometimes it's fake tank or fake healers.
It can be particularly frustrating yes, but it's the way it is.
My Tank has a bow on the backbar, but it isn't for the purposes of fighting. It's more of a visual indicator that I'm on my backbar (that only has shields and area of affect skills) and not on my front bar (that has my most important taunts and crowd controls.
I would use a frost staff as an indicator instead (if only for the extra effect of getting more magicka heavy attack), but I feel like that would just cause people to complain as well "You can't be a REAL tank and have both stam and mag weapons!!!".
Put a sword and shield on both slots just messes me up and I get confused (a dangerous thing in the middle of a run).
But then again, I do NOT run Vet dungeons. Only normal. So *shrugs*
For overworld content (NOT dungeons), I use the bow more often for the purposes of trolling trash mobs by shooting them off a cliff :P
It's therapeuticEdited by Wolf_Eye on March 4, 2020 10:04PM0 -
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✭✭Most fake tanks (and fake healers) that I’ve come across were actually first rate dps lol.2 -
dazee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭In fact, because I’m a “role player” (according to your standards) I don’t believe in tanks that aren’t double sword and board. the new requirement to use a staff or bow turns me off. which is why I’ve stopped tanking.
as a Roleplayer I wish tanks had more options period. and I wish they didnt do jack nothing for damage. being only double S&B or even having to use S&B to tank is anti roleplay and anti imagination.Playing your character the way your character should play is all that matters. Play as well as you can but never betray the character. Doing so would make playing an mmoRPG pointless.1 -
Chicharron✭✭✭✭✭
✭OrphanHelgen wrote: »You did good. Made the group tool function so you can only put one role. People still don't give a ***. 3'rd times now whipefest because the tank use bow instead of a taunt. I think this is a legit reason for ragequit and remove the penalty after quitting for group tool because of this would be nice too. Please permaban those who are registered as their role without doing it, specially in a vet dlc dung when they are cp 810. They clearly have bought their account or nothing to do in an online game besides offline mode and housing ty. A dungeon with rng drops and bis gear, is not designed to sit quietly and patient for 3 hours because one person decided he wanted to tank with a bow today. If you wanna rp in dung, say it in special guilds. I don't come and ruin roleplaying, so roleplayers pls don't come ruin dungeon runs either. It works both ways!
I propose that harcdore players wear pink to identify them.
If you see someone in pink in Stormhaven you will know that it is someone of your kind.
And I can run away from them, is a win win.Edited by Chicharron on March 4, 2020 10:19PM2 -
Sephyr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭In fact, because I’m a “role player” (according to your standards) I don’t believe in tanks that aren’t double sword and board. the new requirement to use a staff or bow turns me off. which is why I’ve stopped tanking.
as a Roleplayer I wish tanks had more options period. and I wish they didnt do jack nothing for damage. being only double S&B or even having to use S&B to tank is anti roleplay and anti imagination.
Honestly I've been playing with a magicka sap tank that would most certainly get booted if I PUGed with it simply because it's not the norm, so we're screwed either way. Funnily enough, I clear quite a bit of vet hardmodes with it and haven't had one complaint from my PvE guild so I guess I'm lucky there. But what do we know, we're filthy RPers.
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p00tx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Bow tanking is a viable thing, but it's only for super sweaty groups pushing score, or for hm Lokkestiis ranged tanking. It sounds like your buddy was not experienced with either of those things and was just being a pud. It happens, and there is nothing we can do about it. Was this in a vet dlc dungeon?PC/Xbox NA
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Scion_of_Yggdrasil✭✭✭✭✭If a game allows it, I always make an Arcane Archer/Divine Archer. I've gotten kicked twice now because apparently healers aren't allowed to use bows -_- even though none of them ever dropped below 70%-80% HP... lmao (granted, my outfit is a combination of medium/heavy gear, but I'm actually wearing light). I can understand the confusion, but come one people... y'all were healthy.
"why does the healer have a bow?"
"I was wondering the same thing..."
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dazee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭In fact, because I’m a “role player” (according to your standards) I don’t believe in tanks that aren’t double sword and board. the new requirement to use a staff or bow turns me off. which is why I’ve stopped tanking.
as a Roleplayer I wish tanks had more options period. and I wish they didnt do jack nothing for damage. being only double S&B or even having to use S&B to tank is anti roleplay and anti imagination.
Honestly I've been playing with a magicka sap tank that would most certainly get booted if I PUGed with it simply because it's not the norm, so we're screwed either way. Funnily enough, I clear quite a bit of vet hardmodes with it and haven't had one complaint from my PvE guild so I guess I'm lucky there. But what do we know, we're filthy RPers.
Meta chasers are often quite ignorant of anything not the norm, and don't tend to care if it works, if its not what they think you should use, then you're a horrible person.
Not all of course, some people simply do meta all the time becuase they dont actually care about character concepts, or combat animations, and play becuase big numbers are the only thing that makes them happy. I think thats a sad way to live, but if thats what makes them happy I dont mind so long as they aren't putting others down because of it.Playing your character the way your character should play is all that matters. Play as well as you can but never betray the character. Doing so would make playing an mmoRPG pointless.0 -
D0PAMINE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭In fact, because I’m a “role player” (according to your standards) I don’t believe in tanks that aren’t double sword and board. the new requirement to use a staff or bow turns me off. which is why I’ve stopped tanking.
as a Roleplayer I wish tanks had more options period. and I wish they didnt do jack nothing for damage. being only double S&B or even having to use S&B to tank is anti roleplay and anti imagination.
You can magicka tank effectivly. My friend has a Magsorc tank and he's a beast with it.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭In fact, because I’m a “role player” (according to your standards) I don’t believe in tanks that aren’t double sword and board. the new requirement to use a staff or bow turns me off. which is why I’ve stopped tanking.
as a Roleplayer I wish tanks had more options period. and I wish they didnt do jack nothing for damage. being only double S&B or even having to use S&B to tank is anti roleplay and anti imagination.
You can magicka tank effectivly. My friend has a Magsorc tank and he's a beast with it.
Heck, for many dungeons it just needs a taunt. I have been in groups where the final boss of a vet DLC dungeon was tanked by a DPS using the undaunted taunt. They were good at avoiding what could be avoided and use the magicks shield for the rest.0 -
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✭✭I dont understand the OP...all im seeing are simple stories of how someone expects top tier pve players in random dungeons imma break your world...but WE DONT PUG! so stop expecting to see us in your random encounters...if u go rdf and someone is bad u simply explain it to him if he still sux then u kick and replace, its that simple...if you go in expecting something different then the problem is you. 4 -
Opalblade✭✭✭Not sure why people always associate bad players and roleplayers. I'm a roleplayer, yet I've successfully tanked end game content in almost every MMO I've played. I was even kinda popular in one game for a little while, and some of the best players I've met have also been roleplayers. I know it sounds crazy, but it IS possible for people to enjoy and be good at more than one aspect of an MMO.Edited by Opalblade on March 5, 2020 6:34AM4 -
MyPrist✭✭✭I just do not care, i can do most veteran DLC, solo on DD, if some one bash boss from some mechanics. Do not need healer or tank and do not like that 3 roles was removed for choise.
Play better and you will not haveany problems with fake tanks or what ever.
But it is good to add one more role - tank, healer - dd, and the mostexpected: raiway carriage
Just a joke, be more tolerant and do not blame others in your problems. Exapt ZOS, when in prime time you skills just DO NOT WORKING !!! And you hit or taunt not targeted mob, but some random mob behind you, that you even do not see !!!
Fix it already pls !!!Edited by MyPrist on March 5, 2020 6:43AM0 -
Malmai✭✭✭✭✭
✭CP 160+ for base game vet dungeons
CP 300+ for dlc vet dungeons
That should be number one focus than the rest...0 -
dazee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »I dont understand the OP...all im seeing are simple stories of how someone expects top tier pve players in random dungeons imma break your world...but WE DONT PUG! so stop expecting to see us in your random encounters...if u go rdf and someone is bad u simply explain it to him if he still sux then u kick and replace, its that simple...if you go in expecting something different then the problem is you.
If you go random duty finder in a normal dungeon and someone is bad, suck it up and finish the damn dungeon. you brought it on yourself, and you have no right to kick someone who's actually trying, no matter how hard they are failing.
the only excuse to remove someone from a random dungeon pug is if their being there prevents you from finishing the dungeon, or if they will not lift a finger to help.Playing your character the way your character should play is all that matters. Play as well as you can but never betray the character. Doing so would make playing an mmoRPG pointless.2 -
dazee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭In fact, because I’m a “role player” (according to your standards) I don’t believe in tanks that aren’t double sword and board. the new requirement to use a staff or bow turns me off. which is why I’ve stopped tanking.
as a Roleplayer I wish tanks had more options period. and I wish they didnt do jack nothing for damage. being only double S&B or even having to use S&B to tank is anti roleplay and anti imagination.
You can magicka tank effectivly. My friend has a Magsorc tank and he's a beast with it.
I'd love to meet your friend and learn how he does these tanks. If I ever tank in ESO I need a tank capable of at least 10k dps while tanking. and a mag tank sounds like just the thing. is he on PC/NA?Playing your character the way your character should play is all that matters. Play as well as you can but never betray the character. Doing so would make playing an mmoRPG pointless.0 -
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✭✭✭✭myskyrim26 wrote: »
Was it a good idea for me changing my role to tank?
I get that in "lowbie" groups (or groups where you know there is at least one "lowbie", a lot of people do what they will call "fake tanking" and sometimes "fake healing".
I don't have an objection - IF
The tank has a taunt (don't care which one, the S&B takes about 5 min to sort out even if you have never picked up the weapons before)
AND
The tank understands that s/he has a JOB and that's mob control. Run ahead, soft taunt, keep on the boss. Don't act like an idiot and ignore the group. No, without the usual tools it will be harder - but get your damn act together. And maybe even apologize in advance and say you will do your best, and advise any fearful DPSs to run TO you if they get chased by mobs.Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.***Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis0
