Banana wrote: »

Need to join the right guild if you want to learn that stuff.

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Dunning_Kruger wrote: »

I find crafters to be toxic as well. One time I asked someone to craft me a gold set and xe demanded I give xym materials. I simply told xym I don’t do resource gathering and I don’t find it enjoyable; but nevertheless I expect a gold set of gear. I shouldn’t have to work for it. It’s not xyr fault really it’s just poor design from ZoS.

You do realize legendary gear does cost quite a bit to make, from nearly 40k to 100k, and now nearly up to 250k for jewelery

RogueShark wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Dunning_Kruger wrote: »

I find crafters to be toxic as well. One time I asked someone to craft me a gold set and xe demanded I give xym materials. I simply told xym I don’t do resource gathering and I don’t find it enjoyable; but nevertheless I expect a gold set of gear. I shouldn’t have to work for it. It’s not xyr fault really it’s just poor design from ZoS.

You do realize legendary gear does cost quite a bit to make, from nearly 40k to 100k, and now nearly up to 250k for jewelery

macsmooth wrote: »

Dragneel1207 wrote: »

hmm
@Banana
where do u find a guild that helps a new tank
hmm let me guess none
edit: sorry got double posted due to laggy isp

The lag was because you was in Cyrodiil when you was posting on the forum you need to go into a pve zone when posting no lag (sorry couldn’t resist that)

I applaud you for what you did but next week isn’t going to fun on events either as their will be people queuing as tanks, healers and well dds that won’t be doing any of those roles so I would post sick of events that make you interact with others it’s just not on

Kikke wrote: »

Telling a group it's your first time before the dungeon starts helps, as people wont expect anything from you.

Maybe the only thing in this post of yours I agree with. You absolutely should be upfront on whether you've done content or not, as that way people will know whether you need mechanics explained or something.

If you tell them you're new and you get kicked that means only one thing: They were not good enough to carry you. It has NOTHING to do with toxicity. Just why should 3 people waste their time if they know they cannot 3man the dungeon with one hanging behind?

Uh...what? Lol being new doesn't automatically mean you need a carry, not sure where you're getting that idea from. Not having done a dungeon doesn't mean you need a carry. It means you just need to learn the mechanics or have someone explain them for you. People who have 1k+ CP can fare horribly and have no idea what they're doing, but they aren't 'new' if they've been playing enough to rack up that sort of CP.

If you get kicked instantly because of low CP, sup 160cp will get kicked from any group that is looking for gear as you wont drop gear they will need. Selfish yeh, not toxic.

If you're looking for CP160 gear maybe you ought to be going in with a premade group of fellow 160+ people instead of indiscriminately kicking people who might just be trying to do a pledge or learn the dungeon, or if you get 2/3 below CP160 teammates, just do what everyone else gets told to do; leave the group, switch chars, and eat the 15 min penalty timer by trying with that character you swapped to.

If you get kicked because of low dps - Learn dps
If you get kicked because of low bad support - Learn tanking / healing

How are people supposed to learn if they're constantly getting kicked? XD Seriously you sit there and say people need to have experience but then you say it's okay for inexperienced people to get kicked simply because they have no experience...you can't make both arguments man, you just end up contradicting yourself.

Ask questions if there is something you don't understand.
Accept the answers you get.
Tell people whats happening and don't expect them to be mind-readers, if you're away from the group over an amount of time and no communication is done, you will be kicked.
Don't go afk at start, middle or before the end boss as that will get you kicked. stop wasting peoples time.

Okay there's a bit more to this post I do agree with. People should 100% ask questions if they don't understand something, but by no means should people also 100% of the time 'accept the answers they get' because there are plenty of times when what someone is told is wrong or not relevant. This is how misinformation spreads. Now the main part of this I don't agree with, to an extent, is the 'don't go afk' thing. You have to keep in mind that EVERYONE playing this game is living in a dynamic environment because we're all actual living people. Things can and will come up without warning that pull us away from the computer without the time to give a warning. If someone abruptly goes afk without saying something, they should at least be given a courtesy of maybe five or so minutes before a kick is called for. But no one should be kicked in like, one or two minutes if they briefly poof, even without saying anything. You never know what sort of conditions a person might be living under, and it doesn't cost anything but a few minutes to have a bit of patience for when life decides to be a butt.

Don't queue with fake roles. You're wasting peoples time.

This is something else I do agree with. If you're going to queue as a tank but you aren't an actual tank, at least slot a taunt and not be so squishy that you die in two hits. If you're going to queue as heals at least have a Resto Staff with Healing Springs and maybe Combat Prayer. People DO need to keep in mind, however, that just because someone is leveling a tank or healer who might not have access to their full kit does NOT make them a fake tank/healer. I was leveling my NB Nord Tank a few months ago, had taunts and other skills one expects on a tank. My HP, though, was only like uh, 17k. Got called a 'fake tank' just because of my low health, even though I was holding boss and several adds, was able to heal myself, was buffing the group, and was only dying because one of the other DD kept running way far off and was outside the healer's range. This was causing the rest of us to wipe because when that DD went down, someone either had to run clear out to rez them, or there wasn't enough combined DPS to burn the boss if we tried leaving them down.

Long story short, don't assume. Unless you actively see your tank or healer NOT doing what they should be (they focus more/entirely on DPS or run and hide during fights or w/e), they most likely aren't fake and are instead just learning and/or le

Personally; What I find the most toxic of all are players with 0 willingness to learn anything, expects people that have learned to carry them everywhere. Because of reasons like "playing games should not be work". . .

Kikke wrote: »

and why should 3 people that don't want to spend their time teaching a new player be forced to teach a new player if they don't want to? Find a guild then that does dungeon runs with new players. this is an MMO. Guilds are there for a reason.

This is an entirely selfish way to think about things. You were new at some point too, weren't you? Everyone playing this game was new and needed to learn. Guilds can help, yes, but if people don't want to "waste their time" helping newer players, maybe they ought to be grouping up with their guildmates/friends themselves? Funny how the whole "use a guild" argument can work both ways. And really, what does it even COST you to help other players? A bit more time than you might normally spend in the dungeon? If you really are that rushed, maybe you, again, should be running with a premade group.

Queue Group finder and EXPECTING to not be kicked is just entitled. Work towards not getting kicked. And no, the "there was no reason for the kick" is just BS as there is ALWAYS something that happened.

There you go with contradicting yourself again. For one, no, it's not entitled to expect people not to be massive aholes. But then you say "work towards not being kicked", but then...how do you do that when people get kicked for a variety of petty, ridiculous reasons? If someone has no experience, how do they get experienced if people like you say it's okay for them to be kicked for that? And yes, there IS "there was no reason for the kick". There is not "always something that happened" and if you truly believe people are always being kicked for a 'good reason' then I'm not sure what to tell you.

Myself, capped player, did 80%+ of group dps (not that I care). I noticed people were dying to a mechanic while I was soloing the boss more or so. Then because they did not get to fight the boss I whiped it. Tried to tell them how the mechanic worked so they might have a chance to stay alive - Kicked.

So nope. There is always a reason. In my case, they wanted a carry. And I tried to teach them something in a video game.

bigelle.x3_ESO wrote: »

Pve players are the most toxic.

*pushes up glasses* well you see, you must run this skill and this set for an increase in 9.87587% more damage for optimal rotation and must put exactly this number of points into these very specific cp setups or we will kick you because you're a scrub lord trash tier player. How can you even think about losing 3.8728% dps by not performing this very specific rotation and OH MY GOD THIS LOOT DROPPED AND IF I DONT GET IT ILL KILL EVERYONE IN THE ROOM.

Then they go into cyrodil and somebody crouches on their corpse. IM GOING TO TAKE THIS TO THE FORUMS

bigelle.x3_ESO wrote: »

Pve players are the most toxic.

*pushes up glasses* well you see, you must run this skill and this set for an increase in 9.87587% more damage for optimal rotation and must put exactly this number of points into these very specific cp setups or we will kick you because you're a scrub lord trash tier player. How can you even think about losing 3.8728% dps by not performing this very specific rotation and OH MY GOD THIS LOOT DROPPED AND IF I DONT GET IT ILL KILL EVERYONE IN THE ROOM.

Then they go into cyrodil and somebody crouches on their corpse. IM GOING TO TAKE THIS TO THE FORUMS