Managing stuff takes 80% of game time!

Iskiab · February 2020

I think what I should have done is deconstructed all the sets unless it’s a good set and weapons and jewellery. If you’re starting out that’s what I’d do.

I wouldn’t decon weapons. I’ve done maybe 30 runs looking for Goassmer 1hs with no luck, if you decon a weapon you’ll regret it.

barney2525 · February 2020

I really don't understand the question. Of course, I don't understand why people just save stuff they never ever use.

Even without ESO plus, you can sell most things for gold, so you can buy bank and inventory slots with in-game gold. If you want to craft, you break down everything you don't use into mats. If you find motifs etc that you don't use, you join a merchent guild and sell sell sell.

If you are not using ESO plus your mindset should be to turn Everything you can into gold. Stop keeping the things that 'seem like they are too cool to get rid of' . There is literally Nothing that you can not do without.

IMHJO

doomette · February 2020

kalimar44 wrote: »

Giraffon wrote: »

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

I solved the problem by only picking up gold and weapons and armor i will use. Same with gathering, just take the stuff out of the node you want.

No. Don't do that. It's rude. Take it all from nodes. The node won't reset until it's emptied. It's super rude. Don't do it.

Completely agree on this, plus I hate when someone doesn't finish fishing a hole!!

I get that, and I totally finish a hole on my NA characters with their loads of bait to spare. But I’m sorry, my EU character is poor and cannot spare the worms. Other types, sure, but I have to be stingy with those stupid worms 😳

Sergg007 · February 2020

I think we need to make top of the most useless sets. Then we can deconstruct them without pain. This will help many junk collectors like me.

BackStabeth · February 2020

doomette wrote: »

kalimar44 wrote: »

Giraffon wrote: »

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

I solved the problem by only picking up gold and weapons and armor i will use. Same with gathering, just take the stuff out of the node you want.

No. Don't do that. It's rude. Take it all from nodes. The node won't reset until it's emptied. It's super rude. Don't do it.

Completely agree on this, plus I hate when someone doesn't finish fishing a hole!!

I get that, and I totally finish a hole on my NA characters with their loads of bait to spare. But I’m sorry, my EU character is poor and cannot spare the worms. Other types, sure, but I have to be stingy with those stupid worms 😳

Just go to an area where there are a ton of undead and farm your worms

Mancombe_Nosehair · February 2020

Zulera301 wrote: »

I'm writing a guide for it; just need to get my butt off the game and finish it. Probably next week when the download from hell is starting.

I have been thinking of starting a thread about it myself, with the option for others to make their own suggestions.

BackStabeth · February 2020

Iskiab wrote: »

I think what I should have done is deconstructed all the sets unless it’s a good set and weapons and jewellery. If you’re starting out that’s what I’d do.

I wouldn’t decon weapons. I’ve done maybe 30 runs looking for Goassmer 1hs with no luck, if you decon a weapon you’ll regret it.

I would say sell all the weapons you can above your sale amount criteria. I am in three trade guilds currently, that allows me for 90 sales slots I keep full almost 100% of the time. The lowest item I have for sale right now is 2900 gold, so my criteria is currently, anything under that value I deconstruct, anything above I sell.

On my stamblade, I am never going to use any 2H weapon except for a sword, and never going to use any 1H weapon except for a dagger and/or axe so all other weapons right off the bat are sold or deconstructed.

I have the weapon set I want with the traits I want for my current level. Until I am able to do trials with this character I am going to retain and use the weapons I already have, so now my criteria is any weapon I can sell above a value of 2900 gold, I sell, any weapon below 2900 value I deconstruct. I have no need for any other weapons on this particular character until I hit the CP threshold for doing the specific trials for the gear I am after, then I am only after that gear so all other weapons are sold or deconstructed.

Another thing, if you are selling for a fair price then you can always buy whatever you sell for the same price back. So if you are not going to use a weapon you can sell right now, then sell it. If you need it later, buy it from a vendor for around the same price or less, it's not hard at all.

In regards to jewelry

1. If you have purple jewelry you are using: Sell all jewelry purple and above that drops for you, above your posting price threshold, deconstruct everything else, specially if you are not level 50 jewelry. Jewelry improvement mats go for crazy insane prices.

2. DO NOT EVER IMPROVE YOUR JEWELRY, not unless you are using improvement mats you deconstructed jewelry to get.
Personally, I just deconstruct everything I'm not going to use unless it's purple and very valuable.

3. If you do not have purple jewelry of the set you want, use the highest level you can and follow the first step.

If you are a stam nightblade for example, you are not going to want to save any gear, including weapons, that have magika traits, it's a huge waist, don't bother. You probably also don't want to save any gear that has health traits, you might but probably not. And the only heavy piece you probably will want to use in gear besides weapons and jewelry is the chest, so get rid of everything else. Set your criteria according to your character.

MattT1988 · February 2020

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

I solved the problem by only picking up gold and weapons and armor i will use. Same with gathering, just take the stuff out of the node you want.

This is what’s called a *** move. Don’t do this OP. [Snip]

[Edited to remove bashing]

BackStabeth · February 2020

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

I solved the problem by only picking up gold and weapons and armor i will use. Same with gathering, just take the stuff out of the node you want.

So you think you solved the problem by screwing over everyone else and yourself mind you?

When I see people say things like this I think to myself, how can they possibly believe that this is resolving ANYTHING. Actually it takes more time to sort in the way you suggest, allow me to explain just exactly how.

Lets say you are farming nodes, and checking the nodes just like you suggest, instead of using a tool to loot everything. So each node you spend X amount of time checking each item and only removing what you want. Remember it always takes X amount of time to look and decide not to take each other.

You leave items in those nodes so forget about doing a circuit if you are seriously farming, you can't because those nodes don't respawn when you don't empty them, so not only are you screwing over everyone else farming nodes, but you are screwing over yourself. That''s just plain old ordinary stupid on your part.

Now here is where we get to the part that this reasoning is absolutely stupid. Lets say it takes one second to identify and discard removing all the things in nodes you don't want. Multiply that by how many nodes you are farming. That ends up being a lot of time.

Now think, this is where logic comes into play. All these items stack, right? So if you are looking through your inventory in the same way, to discard the items you don't want or need it takes exactly the same amount of time to identify what you don't want as it does every single time you look at a node. So you just massively cut the time it takes to sort by looting everything in the node when you loot it, plus you are not screwing yourself and others by creating a problem, that being nodes not respawning because they were not emptied, by you.

And one last thing you didn't think about. When you are sorting all the things you farmed from a node, you seem to fail to realize you can sell all the junk you don't want instead of deleting it, which can amount to a significant amount of gold over time if you are seriously farming nodes.

And before you claim you don't need the gold, think about this. You wouldn't be farming nodes if you had that much gold.

Don't be a *** and leave stuff in nodes, it's just very bad form. It screws over other people and yourself and it makes absolutely no logical sense at all. The ONLY reason people leave anything in nodes is to screw over people who come after them. There is no benefit at all to leaving anything in any node, EVER.

PizzaCat82 · February 2020

Takes out my Console violin, the smallest known violin, and plays a sad song for all you guys with add-ons and lack of inventory.

WiseSky · February 2020

I love the Addon mini game...

Try setting up, Collection Bars, FCOIS item Saver, Dressing Room, Lovely Emotes, Auto Category, Bank Manager revived, custom Idle Animations and Bandit Ui..

Try to make all your keybindings fit ... and playing with all the settings... now that is a the real Mini Game!

Mr_Walker · February 2020

Canasta wrote: »

Its dog eat dog in the field of chest opening PVP, every chest I leave with a rubbish item in it frustrates my "enemies"

Accesssing the chest kicks off the respawn timer, so every item you leave is just a bonus for me.

That rubedite staff of crapness you just left sells to traders for 76 gold.

Iarao · February 2020

Sergg007 wrote: »

I am using all add-ons, it helps a little but does not solve the problem. I do not play the game, I shift things!
I don’t know what to do with it, sometimes I just want to delete everything, but then I will delete the game. What do you think, how to handle? :'((((

i solved it by buying 9 more eso accts when they were really cheap. now i have my own guild

each acct is maxed out with 8 storage toons, too :P i may have a problem. but you just dont know what zos will do next. and the price for the 9 was really quite cheap when i got them. not at once, but as they came available.

xaraan · February 2020

Do you pay for a sub? if you don't have a crafting bag and extra bank space, then I can understand you having problems if you are holding onto too much stuff. Honestly if you play the game that much that you get so much stuff, then I think supporting the game by getting a sub isn't asking a lot considering they give you more than the value of the sub just in crowns and on top of that the other benefits. If it's not because of having a sub or not, then you are saving too much stuff.

Inventory is way better than it used to be. Before the sub/craft bag, we were paying a sub just to play the game and had less character slots (for those that like to have mules - I never did), less bank space (half what it is now with eso+, actually even less than that b/c they added a couple upgrades at one point), no housing storage chests (or housing), and obviously no craft bag. There were even smaller stacks of some items permitted. I will say there is more stuff to save now, but the options for storage have increased at a pretty good rate to keep up with that demand and there are a lot of things people save they probably don't need to.

The folks that usually have problems honestly just save too much stuff. Those players complain at every level of storage, it was never enough and never will be enough. If you have a bad habit like hoarding, and you have more places to store stuff, you just end up with a bigger hoard and the same problem you have now after a few months go by. It's a hard truth, but it is the truth.

As for gear to save: personally I only hold onto jewelry or weapons that are hard to farm again, some undaunted head/shoulder pieces or maybe some trial sets. But if it's just XX armor piece from XX dungeon, I know I can always go into that and farm that gear again quick, even if you do normals b/c it's cheap and easy to upgrade. Same for crafted stuff, I might save something for a bit if I made it gold, but if it looks like it's being left in the crapper after a few patches, I'll just decon it and move on. Same for any gear that drops in zones, in fact that's even easier to get again b/c you can also buy it.

I've been at this game since beta and i have 18 characters and none of them are mules, they each just carry their own gear sets they use for various builds (each one's inv. is about half full). My housing storage isn't full. My bank is about 100 slots short of full on average. And I do hold onto a decent amount of gear. So it can be done. Now if I lost the craft bag or extra bank space from ESO+, I'd have to tighten up a lot more, but it would be doable IMO. I just figure if I'm putting a lot of time into the game, then having the sub is a worthwhile expense. But if you have the sub and housing storage and maybe even take the extra steps to have a couple mules or a guild bank to use and still have problems - it's not the game.

Tigerseye · February 2020

xaraan wrote: »

...you just end up with a bigger hoard and the same problem you have now after a few months go by. It's a hard truth, but it is the truth.

Yes, that is why every other game (MMO) I have ever played adds extra storage (or a way of getting it) every time they add new content.

So, every few months, or maybe a year, depending on the content cycle.

You guys seem to forget he has a lot of other games he can choose from, if ESO gets too annoying.

Grianasteri · February 2020

Uvi_AUT wrote: »

Grianasteri wrote: »

Its actually not that bad, in fact its pretty amazing hence I have been playing it for over 4 years.

But consols do need some quality of life "add ons" or improvements more in keeping with what PC users have available. Combat analytics of some kind would be a great start. We dont get to see any break down of our parsing at present.

I could maybe get used to using a Controller, although I hate the things.
But how do you guys Chat without a Keyboard?
What about the horrendous loadingtimes without a PcIEx-SSD?
Or the bad graphics on a 6 year old console?

There`s just so many drawbacks, I seriously cant see any pluspoint.

Well, to answer your questions...

-I have been playing with both consoles and PCs all my life, so the use of a controller is no problem at all, in fact it is significantly more comfortable than using a keyboard. The unnatural position one requires to use a keyboard is no comparison to the relaxed ergonomics of a controller.

-I simply plug a USB keyboard into my PS4, hey presto, chatty chatty McChat face. Beyond that when comms are really needed, we group up and use the internal voice comms, which are absolutely fine, or just create a PS4 party (voice comms).

-I do not find the load times to be particularly horrendous, sometimes they are overly long, but this is just the nature of playing such a huge complex game.

-I have a PS4 pro, which provides HD resolution in 4K on my LED 4K TV. The game looks incredible.

The main draw back is the lack of game features and quality of life improvements either in game or via add ons, that PC users benefit from.

doomette · February 2020

BackStabeth wrote: »

doomette wrote: »

kalimar44 wrote: »

Giraffon wrote: »

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

I solved the problem by only picking up gold and weapons and armor i will use. Same with gathering, just take the stuff out of the node you want.

No. Don't do that. It's rude. Take it all from nodes. The node won't reset until it's emptied. It's super rude. Don't do it.

Completely agree on this, plus I hate when someone doesn't finish fishing a hole!!

I get that, and I totally finish a hole on my NA characters with their loads of bait to spare. But I’m sorry, my EU character is poor and cannot spare the worms. Other types, sure, but I have to be stingy with those stupid worms 😳

Just go to an area where there are a ton of undead and farm your worms

A good way indeed to get worms, and FG points for alts to boot. I just can’t farm for more than a few passes at a time. Repetition like that just completely sucks the fun out of the game for me. Like when I “farmed” the NE public dungeons for the cool looking costume and hideous cat, it was two, maaaybe three passes a day.
I go out of my way to be conscientious and generous to other players with pretty much every other aspect of the game: I never race another for a node, if there’s someone going the same route as me for a quest or whatever, I’ll skip chests, nodes, and heavy sacks so they can have them, I’m always happy to send someone some mats that I have a bunch of at no charge. But I’m not going to get burned out doing an activity I hate just so I can finish off a saltwater node on my low-CP EU characters, I’m just not.

Eifleber · February 2020

Iskiab wrote: »

It’s an artificially created problem they designed to encourage ESO plus.
Even with ESO plus you’ll eventually have some issues.

30 year old MMOs had a better inventory system.

Very much this.

Really, it would be so nice to have
* seperate bags (to store spare gear or whatever)
* radio buttons for stuff in your inventory/bank when desconstructing
* stuff sortable by categories "item level" and "head/chest/hands/legs.. etc"

Also remove the museum stuff, nonsense items and treasure maps!!
ESO definitely doesn' t win any prizes for storage design or lack of auction houses.

ZOS_Volpe · February 2020

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Curious_Death · February 2020

Hi,
easy part:
(addons) advanced loot renewed + inv grid view (with hard part ! get merchant! sell instantly "junk" drop and PROFIT!)

medium part:
house 4+4 chests (360 inv slots) - is enough

hard part:
use bank for mats... destroy things at house and bank it! (summon banker to put there things) (240 bank is enough for must have / sell mats)

profit...

when i told it any1 new to this game - they coming to my house now and use bank + stations... they have no problem with items and GOLD also.

peace.

edit:

After i made few millions... got all of DLC and goods like music box or two cats (bank+merchant), I must write tutorial for newbies - however i am also scared, that will be a tutorial for devs - how to make game less attractive and "fix" easy gold makers... idk

DR4GONFL1 · February 2020

For the love of god why can't why can't we have a folder for each set? Oh, I need to switch to Mothers Sorrow okay let me open up that folder and grab it... Nope ZOS would have you scroll through your 300 or so bank slots to find each piece because having set folders would save space.

furiouslog · February 2020

barney2525 wrote: »

I really don't understand the question. Of course, I don't understand why people just save stuff they never ever use.

Even without ESO plus, you can sell most things for gold, so you can buy bank and inventory slots with in-game gold. If you want to craft, you break down everything you don't use into mats. If you find motifs etc that you don't use, you join a merchent guild and sell sell sell.

If you are not using ESO plus your mindset should be to turn Everything you can into gold. Stop keeping the things that 'seem like they are too cool to get rid of' . There is literally Nothing that you can not do without.

IMHJO

FWIW, I have ESO+, with maxed banks/bags, all of the storage crates, and the inventory pig, and storage is still an issue. Why? I save stuff because of the constant nerfs and changes that can make my current builds redundant and future gear viable. I also have multiple toons who each have multiple sets of gear that are required for trials and/or PvP. I have multiple DPS toons because my main got nerfed hard enough that I fell behind other players, so I rolled alts and leveled them to try to catch up and make a viable build. Healers and tanks in vet trials need to have like 4-8 different sets if they want to play endgame seriously, depending on content. DPS is less of an issue for sets, but the aforementioned changes make storing certain sets a requirement because in three months things might change again.

For example, right now I am hoarding jewels/weapons for Elf Bane just in case that becomes the next big thing. Will it change what I do in the short term? No, but once it goes live if it shows up as BiS for any of my characters I won't have to ramp up the farming process, which can take weeks if not months thanks to RNG. It took me about 6-8 months of solid farming to get a single drop on the FG and BSW fire staves - who would ever decon those once you had them?

The risk in not storing/hoarding is to fall behind the performance distribution on my parse, or to fail to meet trials requirements for certain proc sets that buff the team. ZOS is causing this issue purposefully by constantly making tweaks and changes to gear and skills, which creates an uncertain environment. In an uncertain environment, serious players will respond by hedging their bets, keeping old sets just in case they get relatively good again (and also to avoid destroying the value of the investment of time/gold given the rarity of those sets), while grabbing other sets that might become good.

I've gotten rid of all of my Infallible Mage gear, which I spent months to fill out and gold up. That makes me feel like I wasted my time farming it in the first place. It's not hoarding or sentimentality, it's basically making a decision to own the fact that you spent loads of time working towards something that is completely useless. If I had the room to keep it, I would have, but instead I got rid of it to make the room, and I'm left with a sense of frustration at my wasted time and feeling like I have a total lack of control over my gaming experience.

I see the argument that the tweaks are necessary to balance the game and it keep it from getting stale, but if that's the case, give us more storage in order to accommodate the uncertainty within the environment they have created. If the issue is the server burden due to way the game handles storage management, can't we have the virtual equivalent of a storage rental space, where stuff is archived for long term and maybe accessed on a limited basis? Everyone I know has some sort of homegrown solution that addresses their storage problems, from making small and unnecessary guilds to have the bank slots, to creating alts or even entire alt accounts for the extra bag space. If these solutions are prevalent, which I think that they are, ZOS should take that as a sign that they are failing to meet the needs of their customers, and their management of the skills, gear, and combat systems are the root cause.

Giraffon · March 2020

I say this all the time. I wish they would sell unlimited banking slots for 100 crowns each. I know that sounds like a lot, but if you are subbed, you could buy 15 slots per month. Over time, that would really help out a lot. I'm not sub'd and I would still spend a bunch of money on storage. They are really leaving a lot of money on the table by not doing this.

svartorn · March 2020

Hoarder checking in.

I have multiple low level toons that just hoard sets I don't use anymore. If I get stuff in divines/infused and I'm not using it, they just go on those alts in case the sets become good one day.

svartorn · March 2020

Giraffon wrote: »

I say this all the time. I wish they would sell unlimited banking slots for 100 crowns each. I know that sounds like a lot, but if you are subbed, you could buy 15 slots per month. Over time, that would really help out a lot. I'm not sub'd and I would still spend a bunch of money on storage. They are really leaving a lot of money on the table by not doing this.

I could definitely use this.

Especially doing crafting writs on 12 toons and depositing all the surveys in the bank for my main to go tracking down.

GenjiraX · March 2020

Iarao wrote: »

Sergg007 wrote: »

I am using all add-ons, it helps a little but does not solve the problem. I do not play the game, I shift things!
I don’t know what to do with it, sometimes I just want to delete everything, but then I will delete the game. What do you think, how to handle? :'((((

i solved it by buying 9 more eso accts when they were really cheap. now i have my own guild each acct is maxed out with 8 storage toons, too :P i may have a problem. but you just dont know what zos will do next. and the price for the 9 was really quite cheap when i got them. not at once, but as they came available.

How does that work?

I'm on Xbox and I appreciate that it may be different on PC but, for me, that would entail creating nine more Xbox accounts, too, right? It sounds like way too much effort but on the off-chance that I'm self-isolating for some reason during an eight-hour maintenance period, it might be worth thinking about.

Asardes · March 2020

As I advanced in the game I've actually had less issues with inventory management:
- for each 2 active characters I've created an auxiliary one that keeps geodes, BoP gear that's not used yet: dungeon & trial sets, crafted sets that have temporarily fallen out of use, arena weapons, monster sets;
- one of those keeps the survey maps ultil the're ripe for pickup - 15-20 stacked at the same location - which takes 3-6 months depending on zone - Elsweyr & Vvardenfell drop about 2-3 times as often as other zones so I pick them up more often.
- I have a house I use as storage for furnishings I'm not using yet; I've filled most categories for the respective achievements using just dropped furnishings.
- I use the storage chests (bought with vouchers the day they became available) filled with seasonal drops that get sold when they are "ripe" usually a couple of months before that event comes along again: motif pages, furnishing blueprints, furnishings, recipes as well as jewelry bought with AP from The Golden - I have invested ~20m AP in those.

Whenever I get a drop I immediately evaluate it:
- if it's a BoP set I check if the bonuses it provides are better than other sets currently available, if it doesn't I deconstruct it, if it does, it goes into long time storage; depending on content difficulty I also take into account the traits - a good trait will always be held, but a bad trait only if the content is very hard, and it is more convenient to re-trait than farm repeatedly for the proper trait.
- if it's a BoE set I will evaluate it in MM to see if it can be sold for more than a certain sum, currently 650 gold which is quite low, if it doesn't I either sell to NPC, or deconstruct it if it has a rarer style (ex. overland sets in DLC areas). If I need it right away I will keep it, a recent example being a Potentates shield I got from one of the Cyrodiil town daily quests.
- I will only deconstruct wood, leather, cloth, metal items if they're epic (purple) of above, I will deconstruct jewelry of green and above quality if the sale price is lower than 60% of the price of the upgrade material - from my observations 60% if the recovery chance for it.
- I have an priority re-trait list for items, in case I'm approaching the storage limit for crystals which is 200. I sometimes buy items with useless traits for builds, and re-trait them, rather than buy more expensive ideal traits ex. I buy a Mother's Sorrow inferno staff with training and change it to precise.

Lysette · March 2020

From my experience, if you want to craft stuff, do alchemy and enchanting, you will always be in trouble until you go for ESO+. Suddenly your characters will no longer be overburdened with all those many ingredients and stuff. Double bank space and more slots in your homes allow to use them to store furniture as well - just take a spare room and place them there. A lot use mule characters, but that isn't as convenient as using the bank, this is why double bank space is really good to have.

Otherwise, just get rid of stuff you don't need - I have no need for most of the daily login rewards and if my space gets tight, I just delete them for good. Nothing of those crown store consumables is really good, you can craft better stuff yourself. But as I said, if you want to craft and do all those things, don't think twice, go for ESO+ and you will no longer have to struggle.

Maxx7410 · March 2020

Eso+ is not enough we need 3x space at least

Tommy_The_Gun · March 2020

I am not using ESO + and I am somehow managing, although I admint - it is not easy and requires some sacrefices. So some ideas that may help you out:

1. Keep only crafting mats in your bank - not all (that is imposible, lol) - just most often used ones.
2. Dont keep base game / dlc overland gear that you don't plan to use. You can farm them or buy from guild trader easily when needed.
3. If a gear is not lvl 50 160 cp gear - get rid of it !
4. If you plan to keep gear, create some "mule" characters and upgrade their inventory.
5. If you plan to keep a lot of gear - categorize it somehow : 1 toon to keep rings & necklaces, other for PvP gear, other for dungeon / arena / trial gear etc.
6. Use housing storage. If you don't have it yet unlocked - do it asap.
7. keep "universal" gear in your housing storage and categorize it too. Crafted sets, crafting writs that you curently can not do (lack of motive knowledge etc), not often used DLC crafting mats, crafting item maps, daily login reward consumables etc.

Have you noticed that I often mentioned to "categorize" your gear / items ? It is very helpfull as it helps minimizing "hoarding" problems. Because once housing storage chest / "mule" character inventory is full - it is a sign to get rid of something.
It helped me a lot. I recently even managed to clear one 30 slot storage chest. I plan to move dlc style mats there, as things are getting slightly out of hand (there is just too many of them lol). Also, if you (just like me) dont use ESO+ and you have bought some chapters / dlcs - it is worth considering buing +5 inventory pet. It does not need to be active for the bonus to work, so if you for example have 4 "mule" characters - that is 20 aditional inventory space in total.

Sorry for long post lol.