Logged on to play BGs with my bf like we have done for years. I cannot believe this has gone live

oxygen_thief · February 2020

HalvarIronfist wrote: »

Mjoellnir wrote: »

I can just totally agree with you. If i wanted to play something just by myself i'd play a singleplayer game...
And I'm not too sure if this widens the skill gap even more too. I mean it's obvious that a 4-man-group of good players could really destroy a round, no need denying that. But a single good player against a coordinated group of not-so-good players had at least a challenge and could not as easily dominate a round as it is possible now when fighting against other single players... Pretty sure you all know about how often PUGs work together well

Unfortunately this is a reality, I ran into quite a few matches against the same person, and we both went 20+ with under 3 deaths, given the other players didnt seem to be as skilled, or co-ordinated.

Essentially, these were deathmatches with one person carrying each team, and the rest seemed to be more like cannon fodder rather than teammates, or opponents.

If this is what ZOS envisioned as a fair matchmaking, I'd rather go back in time to duo queue with a friend where fighting full premades was at least interesting.

Just my thoughts.

you are a great warrior for sure but do you read patch notes? mmr was reset

kmcaj · February 2020

Looking forward to seeing if this makes BGs more playable. Ruins biweekly guild night BG event a bit but other days will hopefully be better.

Kidgangster101 · February 2020

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

HalvarIronfist wrote: »

Mjoellnir wrote: »

I can just totally agree with you. If i wanted to play something just by myself i'd play a singleplayer game...
And I'm not too sure if this widens the skill gap even more too. I mean it's obvious that a 4-man-group of good players could really destroy a round, no need denying that. But a single good player against a coordinated group of not-so-good players had at least a challenge and could not as easily dominate a round as it is possible now when fighting against other single players... Pretty sure you all know about how often PUGs work together well

Unfortunately this is a reality, I ran into quite a few matches against the same person, and we both went 20+ with under 3 deaths, given the other players didnt seem to be as skilled, or co-ordinated.

Essentially, these were deathmatches with one person carrying each team, and the rest seemed to be more like cannon fodder rather than teammates, or opponents.

If this is what ZOS envisioned as a fair matchmaking, I'd rather go back in time to duo queue with a friend where fighting full premades was at least interesting.

Just my thoughts.

MMR was reset. As you play more, the characters dominating should move up in MMR and began to face groups filled (albeit filled randomly) with players who are also very good. This solo-queue-only is an unusual decision by ZOS, but I think it does need some time for more matches to occur and MMR to rebuild.

Wrong....... Mmr is not based on PERFORMANCE...... it is simply based on HOW OFTEN YOU PLAY.

Meaning the guy going 3 kills 15 deaths playing for 5 hours a day might be in the same mmr bracket as players going 25 kills and only 1 death.........

The mmr is the actual problem. If they based it off performance those "premade" groups would only face other good players and there would be no pug stomping......

Kalik_Gold · February 2020

Team Based ques should have been added. Single players should have been in what they have now. Hopefuly they realize this asap. (Console player)

grannas211 · February 2020

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

You're still on a team. It's still a team based mode of play.
You just get random teammates.

🤷‍♂️

Lol yep sure...... A team of randoms not friends. A team where most people won't say hi. A team where a teammate tells you to f off because you ask them to stay together. A team that doesn't work in any capacity in a team based mode. Even 1 person not staying with their team can make a 15 minute quick question game mode into a bad experience because they run in like it's call of duty or Rambo and die 15 times a match just feeding the other team.......

But yep that is "team play" and "fun" for everyone involved right?

well this is exactly what solo que-rs dealt with ALSO going against your premade coordinated group.

StrawberryKitsune · February 2020

grannas211 wrote: »

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

You're still on a team. It's still a team based mode of play.
You just get random teammates.

🤷‍♂️

Lol yep sure...... A team of randoms not friends. A team where most people won't say hi. A team where a teammate tells you to f off because you ask them to stay together. A team that doesn't work in any capacity in a team based mode. Even 1 person not staying with their team can make a 15 minute quick question game mode into a bad experience because they run in like it's call of duty or Rambo and die 15 times a match just feeding the other team.......

But yep that is "team play" and "fun" for everyone involved right?

well this is exactly what solo que-rs dealt with ALSO going against your premade coordinated group.

Yeah but that’s not going to really change. By pure RNG you could (and will) find yourself against a group that still acts coordinated and in sync. I actually think the amount of premades was blown out of proportion and it was in fact screwed MMR putting experienced “better” players who knew the drill and could cooperate with minimal communication against less experienced but regular players (whose MMR was boosted by playing more often) who just didn’t have the cooperation and the damage/self heals/durability to take on those better players. I know not every team that whooped our butts was a premade all on voice chat with optimised roles and gear. They just coordinated without the need the chat constantly AND were simply better at killing us or doing the objectives than we were. And this won’t change with solo queues. It just means people can’t blame premades anymore. The spanking of less experienced players will continue by those who know what they’re doing because they can do it regardless of being in a premade or not.

HalvarIronfist · February 2020

oxygen_thief wrote: »

HalvarIronfist wrote: »

Mjoellnir wrote: »

I can just totally agree with you. If i wanted to play something just by myself i'd play a singleplayer game...
And I'm not too sure if this widens the skill gap even more too. I mean it's obvious that a 4-man-group of good players could really destroy a round, no need denying that. But a single good player against a coordinated group of not-so-good players had at least a challenge and could not as easily dominate a round as it is possible now when fighting against other single players... Pretty sure you all know about how often PUGs work together well

Unfortunately this is a reality, I ran into quite a few matches against the same person, and we both went 20+ with under 3 deaths, given the other players didnt seem to be as skilled, or co-ordinated.

Essentially, these were deathmatches with one person carrying each team, and the rest seemed to be more like cannon fodder rather than teammates, or opponents.

If this is what ZOS envisioned as a fair matchmaking, I'd rather go back in time to duo queue with a friend where fighting full premades was at least interesting.

Just my thoughts.

you are a great warrior for sure but do you read patch notes? mmr was reset

I did address this in my second post:

This patch actually made me stop playing BGs on my main (StamDK) even as a solo. I really don't see the point in how the game is supposed to be at all competitive in these circumstances. I ran into even more games like this the further I went on, and even as I switched to alts. Sure, having the easy fights and squishing people is fun, but what isn't fun is having a 1v1v1 competition (for example, in deathmatch) to see who can carry their team the hardest and fastest.

This is not fair gameplay, this is not competitive gameplay, this is not fun or interesting gameplay.

Though; i feel like the MMR reset may have been the cause of this. I was higher MMR before the reset, and now I'm just having games where I can literally fall asleep because there's no challenge in most of the fights.

Ultimately; boasting and whatnot aside. I love ESO, But I wouldn't personally trust ZOS with decision making. If I flipped a coin, I could almost expect someone there to tell me that Heads is really Tails, or that Tails is really Heads. A stupid decision, followed by broken logic in most cases. But, if you wait another three months, they'll take back that decision, admit it was wrong, and rinse/repeat.

But, I still haven't seen any improvement in the quality of my games, I tried a few more today and pretty much yawned through them. Went to CP cyro and had a blast afterwards, still rolling solo.

precambria · February 2020

This change has been an abject failure, what is now happening is exactly what we (the people who play the most battlegrounds) said would happen, a single previously high MMR player is able to bully 2 entire teams who can no longer make the excuse of premades, the people who cried about premades before this just AFK OUT the second they realize what's going on.

I think the real reason they changed this was because of the group finding tool used to make teams, they needed to see how it worked without multi queues to try and fix it, realistically for them to cave to the pressure of kids crying because there are better players out there is NOT what happened.

The cost, driving away people who were not hardcore PVPers but liked to play with friends, driving away hardcore PVPers who wanted to play at a higher level versus other groups, if the intent was to make it more fair for noobies that has not been the case at all lol they were FAR more likely to queue with eachother than the skilled players that were being accused of "pug stomping premade"

It's an MMO we play it for the people interactions this was never a competitive style game, there are countless couples and friends who have been negatively impacted by this many of whom are LONGTIME players. I have full confidence that group queue will be available post haste because the menu right now specifies SOLO battleground which would be redundant if there was no plan to include a group queue, also because.....cmon now it would be insanely dumb to BAN people from playing with friends in any long term way that is half of what people pay them to be able to do.

Lintashi · February 2020

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

You're still on a team. It's still a team based mode of play.
You just get random teammates.

🤷‍♂️

Lol yep sure...... A team of randoms not friends. A team where most people won't say hi. A team where a teammate tells you to f off because you ask them to stay together. A team that doesn't work in any capacity in a team based mode. Even 1 person not staying with their team can make a 15 minute quick question game mode into a bad experience because they run in like it's call of duty or Rambo and die 15 times a match just feeding the other team.......

But yep that is "team play" and "fun" for everyone involved right?

Oh my! You just wrote exactly what I had experienced in bgs since they were introduced! And played this way almost every day, experiencing it all! And now, when you and others get to taste the medicine they gave to others, you cry and complain on forums) I want separate queus for premades and pugs, but until then, my bg experience feels better- no premades to faceroll all others and win match after match, without giving others even a chance.

Mariusghost84 · February 2020

This change is the best thing to happen to this game since i started in 2017. I have 6k hours in it. You and your boyfriend are DEFINATELY in the minority. I do hope you get a own queue though for premade.

precambria · February 2020

Lintashi wrote: »

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

You're still on a team. It's still a team based mode of play.
You just get random teammates.

🤷‍♂️

Lol yep sure...... A team of randoms not friends. A team where most people won't say hi. A team where a teammate tells you to f off because you ask them to stay together. A team that doesn't work in any capacity in a team based mode. Even 1 person not staying with their team can make a 15 minute quick question game mode into a bad experience because they run in like it's call of duty or Rambo and die 15 times a match just feeding the other team.......

But yep that is "team play" and "fun" for everyone involved right?

Oh my! You just wrote exactly what I had experienced in bgs since they were introduced! And played this way almost every day, experiencing it all! And now, when you and others get to taste the medicine they gave to others, you cry and complain on forums) I want separate queus for premades and pugs, but until then, my bg experience feels better- no premades to faceroll all others and win match after match, without giving others even a chance.

I mean it might honestly be the EXTREME delay that players are experiencing which is preventing anyone from playing properly, it really levels the playing field lol

mav1234 · February 2020

on the edge of quitting over this myself.

no cp cyrodil is back to being dead... or maybe it is just that anyone trying it crashes instantly.

so can't play cyrodil with my friend

can't b g with my friend

looks like that's it.

Kidgangster101 · February 2020

Lintashi wrote: »

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

You're still on a team. It's still a team based mode of play.
You just get random teammates.

🤷‍♂️

Lol yep sure...... A team of randoms not friends. A team where most people won't say hi. A team where a teammate tells you to f off because you ask them to stay together. A team that doesn't work in any capacity in a team based mode. Even 1 person not staying with their team can make a 15 minute quick question game mode into a bad experience because they run in like it's call of duty or Rambo and die 15 times a match just feeding the other team.......

But yep that is "team play" and "fun" for everyone involved right?

Oh my! You just wrote exactly what I had experienced in bgs since they were introduced! And played this way almost every day, experiencing it all! And now, when you and others get to taste the medicine they gave to others, you cry and complain on forums) I want separate queus for premades and pugs, but until then, my bg experience feels better- no premades to faceroll all others and win match after match, without giving others even a chance.

So you experienced that since day 1? And yet you don't have any friends to que with so you don't get stuck with people that WONT PLAY AS A TEAM IS A TEAM BASED MODE? I'm actually begining to think you are one of those antisocial people that rambo and are terrible at the game but instead of trying to improve you blame everyone but yourself here.

Did you say hi to anyone at all? Did you stick with your group? Did you try to form a group with friends? You do understand you are playing a MMO right? You are also aware that BG was even advertised at launch as "small scale pvp you can play with your friends"?

I'm sorry to sound rude but man up get good make some friends and maybe play with them for a change? Then you would be that "premade" right? Or maybe you know you and your friends aren't as good of a team as the other and just want to cry on the forums about being stomped out?

I just play with my wife very rarely my cousin would que and I would teach him how to get better (hard to get better in other pvp options due to it being more than just player versus player). I'm not the one crying here I'm stating 100% facts. I even have seen other threads saying they are noticing and increased amount of players queing and going back in a corner when they realize they lack the actual skill another non "premade" has when they stick together. Bad players will always be bad and dumbing game mechanics to them is why this game could never be a serious pvp game that holds competitions. (All those esport/competitive games all support team play unless the game was DESIGNED for solo play ie Madden football) lol.

Tigerseye · February 2020

jircris11 wrote: »

valkyrie93 wrote: »

I thought this was an MMO?

This is a team based game mode, no? So why can't people play in organised coordinated teams and win accordingly based on who played the best as a TEAM?

I played BGs in a duo and even I hated when 4 man premades wiped the floor but I accept that it's a team based game mode. You accept it and queue again, they're only 15 minute matches. To completely remove the choice of playing with your friends in an MMO... no more co op over discord. no more celebrating together when we won. You know in other games like Rocket League for example, if you play well with a random you can message them and party up for a few matches? Nope, can't even do that anymore. You can just hope to see them again and maybe be on the same team with a lot of luck. You could add them as a friend but maybe you don't want a longer term contact like that, you just want to party up for a bit because you work well together. Not possible.

We could queue separately but then potentially be put in different teams. What's the point? This was a fun, social activity and now every time I want to play BGs I might as well listen to music in the background and play by myself... wait, that's the only option now. I did that sometimes but forgive me for wanting a choice to play with friends in an MMO.

At least let maybe 2 players queue together and remove 4 man queueing if people hate it that much. This is so extreme.

Why even have teams any more then? Why isn't it just 12 people fighting everyone 1v1 style?

And no, Cyrodiil isn't a viable alternative, it isn't the same. I've spent thousands of hours there and BG is something completely different - fast paced, small scale group pvp, short matches, if you played either you know one cannot replace the other.

If this isn't changed back this is the last straw for me. I love this game so much and have 4k hours clocked but updates like this really make me question if it's worth it anymore.

Blame ppl who complained about premades.

No, blame the premades.

But, then you know that, already.

xshatox · February 2020

StrawberryKitsune wrote: »

xshatox wrote: »

valkyrie93 wrote: »

xshatox wrote: »

Learn, adapt and move on.
Now people will slot CC, damage, buff and heal.
Not just 1 for CC, 2 for DD, 1 for buff and heal.

I don't see the problem with the latter in this 4 man team game mode?

Again, why not just throw us all in there without teams then. This is coming from someone who mainly played in a duo. I just want to be able to have a fun experience WITH my friends in an MMO

of course you are.
most people in BG is solo, they wont have a chance against mini ball group. now that its not possible they have to learn how to play. by playing with friends you means steamrolling solo player.

By playing with friends I suspect she means playing with friends and you’re just being salty. I’m no longer interested in playing BGs with this change. I liked to queue with 1-3 friends for the fun of it. We chatted in the 30 minute plus queues, duelled a bit and just messed about to make the time pass. We didn’t specially optimise with set roles or gear. Sometimes we steamrolled others, sometimes we steamrolled less experienced players, sometimes we we’re steamrolled by more experienced players And I know at least 9/10 of our losses were due to our errors not the other teams. I’d expect that most of the teams that beat us weren’t permafrost either but much better solo players grouped on random. But we did play the modes as intended rather than running around like headless chickens trying to kill everything that crossed our panic-blurred vision. Whether banning premades or not that last point will still be a big reason for teams losing. The main thing though was we had fun TOGETHER in fast paced modes designed to encourage team play not solo play.

The snipe spammer will still spam snipe.
The guy/gal hiding in a corner with a BG induced in game anxiety attack will still hide and contribute nothing.
The less experienced will still get spanked by the more experienced (especially for the next month with MMR reset). The only things that changed is there is now less choice in the game than before and you can’t blame premades for your own failures. And by your I mean a collective your not you specifically.

What I’d be interested to know is if the group chat is getting more toxic with previously grouped players getting paired with randoms they feel aren’t doing what needs to be done. I hope not but I’m still curious to know. I personally am not interested in BGs anymore with this change as I said before. Mostly because of similar reasons why people don’t like randomly queuing for dungeons.

TLDR; choice is never a bad thing and should be embraced.

Yes, like choice not to be steamrolled by ball group.
Adapt and learn.

mav1234 · February 2020

xshatox wrote: »

Yes, like choice not to be steamrolled by ball group.
Adapt and learn.

adapt and learn to what, exactly? why should we be forced to no longer play with our friends, when some players *refused* to play with theirs to the point where they took away *our* choice to impose theirs on us?

this doesn't only influence "ball groups", and I hate to break it to everyone, those same cancerous strats will be present at high mmr. Plenty of regular BGers hang out in discords as it is. Right now the MMR isn't set, so no, they're not common. But wait.
The experience will undoubtedly have fewer coordinated teams at high mmr, but they'll still be there.

and the flip side is those of us far more casual have lost a huge part of our regular usage of the game... when other solutions could have been implemented. None of us are saying "prohibit a solo queue." We're just saying... give us an option.

valkyrie93 · February 2020

precambria wrote: »

cmon now it would be insanely dumb to BAN people from playing with friends in any long term way that is half of what people pay them to be able to do.

Yeah insanely dumb, but I wouldn’t put it past them. I seriously worry they might stick with this. I’ll just check with the next patch if they’ve changed it back yet, or added a group queue, but until then I’m out.

Also agree with your entire comment btw

Tigerseye · February 2020

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

Lintashi wrote: »

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

You're still on a team. It's still a team based mode of play.
You just get random teammates.

🤷‍♂️

Lol yep sure...... A team of randoms not friends. A team where most people won't say hi. A team where a teammate tells you to f off because you ask them to stay together. A team that doesn't work in any capacity in a team based mode. Even 1 person not staying with their team can make a 15 minute quick question game mode into a bad experience because they run in like it's call of duty or Rambo and die 15 times a match just feeding the other team.......

But yep that is "team play" and "fun" for everyone involved right?

Oh my! You just wrote exactly what I had experienced in bgs since they were introduced! And played this way almost every day, experiencing it all! And now, when you and others get to taste the medicine they gave to others, you cry and complain on forums) I want separate queus for premades and pugs, but until then, my bg experience feels better- no premades to faceroll all others and win match after match, without giving others even a chance.

So you experienced that since day 1? And yet you don't have any friends to que with so you don't get stuck with people that WONT PLAY AS A TEAM IS A TEAM BASED MODE? I'm actually begining to think you are one of those antisocial people that rambo and are terrible at the game but instead of trying to improve you blame everyone but yourself here.

Did you say hi to anyone at all? Did you stick with your group? Did you try to form a group with friends? You do understand you are playing a MMO right? You are also aware that BG was even advertised at launch as "small scale pvp you can play with your friends"?

I'm sorry to sound rude but man up get good make some friends and maybe play with them for a change? Then you would be that "premade" right? Or maybe you know you and your friends aren't as good of a team as the other and just want to cry on the forums about being stomped out?

I just play with my wife very rarely my cousin would que and I would teach him how to get better (hard to get better in other pvp options due to it being more than just player versus player). I'm not the one crying here I'm stating 100% facts. I even have seen other threads saying they are noticing and increased amount of players queing and going back in a corner when they realize they lack the actual skill another non "premade" has when they stick together. Bad players will always be bad and dumbing game mechanics to them is why this game could never be a serious pvp game that holds competitions. (All those esport/competitive games all support team play unless the game was DESIGNED for solo play ie Madden football) lol.

People have every right to queue on their own and expect to only face other people who queue on their own.

Similarly, 2, 3, or 4 person teams should have every right to queue together and face other premades of the same size (or a similar mix of premade and randoms).

What isn't OK and what will drive players, especially new players, away is queueing on their own and then facing a 4 man, pre-prepared, pro team.

That is just unfair and is counterproductive, if you want players to stay in a game.

I have experienced facing premades, as a (sometimes) solo player, myself, in WoW.

Survived, because it's just a game and I'm capable of being pretty tough mentally, but it is not pleasant and it drives many people away.

valkyrie93 · February 2020

StrawberryKitsune wrote: »

xshatox wrote: »

valkyrie93 wrote: »

xshatox wrote: »

Learn, adapt and move on.
Now people will slot CC, damage, buff and heal.
Not just 1 for CC, 2 for DD, 1 for buff and heal.

I don't see the problem with the latter in this 4 man team game mode?

Again, why not just throw us all in there without teams then. This is coming from someone who mainly played in a duo. I just want to be able to have a fun experience WITH my friends in an MMO

of course you are.
most people in BG is solo, they wont have a chance against mini ball group. now that its not possible they have to learn how to play. by playing with friends you means steamrolling solo player.

By playing with friends I suspect she means playing with friends and you’re just being salty. I’m no longer interested in playing BGs with this change. I liked to queue with 1-3 friends for the fun of it. We chatted in the 30 minute plus queues, duelled a bit and just messed about to make the time pass. We didn’t specially optimise with set roles or gear. Sometimes we steamrolled others, sometimes we steamrolled less experienced players, sometimes we we’re steamrolled by more experienced players And I know at least 9/10 of our losses were due to our errors not the other teams. I’d expect that most of the teams that beat us weren’t permafrost either but much better solo players grouped on random. But we did play the modes as intended rather than running around like headless chickens trying to kill everything that crossed our panic-blurred vision. Whether banning premades or not that last point will still be a big reason for teams losing. The main thing though was we had fun TOGETHER in fast paced modes designed to encourage team play not solo play.

The snipe spammer will still spam snipe.
The guy/gal hiding in a corner with a BG induced in game anxiety attack will still hide and contribute nothing.
The less experienced will still get spanked by the more experienced (especially for the next month with MMR reset). The only things that changed is there is now less choice in the game than before and you can’t blame premades for your own failures. And by your I mean a collective your not you specifically.

Just wanna say thanks for this comment, you worded it perfectly. I wish everyone would read this and understand. My friends, or mostly my bf and I, did the same thing. It was a fun pastime for us. We chose our gear based on what we prefer and didn’t play based on roles. Would talk and duel while we waited in the queue. Just for fun. And the end result turned out the same as you described for you and your friends. They’ve seriously *** this.

Tigerseye · February 2020

valkyrie93 wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

You're still on a team. It's still a team based mode of play.
You just get random teammates.

🤷‍♂️

I’ll just delete my whole friends list then. Honestly can’t believe I’m trying to justify why this should be an option

Well, if they're only your "friends" because you use each other to do PVP in groups, hoping to come up against random people, then you might as well, I guess?

Seeing as they're not really your friends, anyway.

Beardimus · February 2020

valkyrie93 wrote: »

I thought this was an MMO?

This is a team based game mode, no? So why can't people play in organised coordinated teams and win accordingly based on who played the best as a TEAM?

I played BGs in a duo and even I hated when 4 man premades wiped the floor but I accept that it's a team based game mode. You accept it and queue again, they're only 15 minute matches. To completely remove the choice of playing with your friends in an MMO... no more co op over discord. no more celebrating together when we won. You know in other games like Rocket League for example, if you play well with a random you can message them and party up for a few matches? Nope, can't even do that anymore. You can just hope to see them again and maybe be on the same team with a lot of luck. You could add them as a friend but maybe you don't want a longer term contact like that, you just want to party up for a bit because you work well together. Not possible.

We could queue separately but then potentially be put in different teams. What's the point? This was a fun, social activity and now every time I want to play BGs I might as well listen to music in the background and play by myself... wait, that's the only option now. I did that sometimes but forgive me for wanting a choice to play with friends in an MMO.

At least let maybe 2 players queue together and remove 4 man queueing if people hate it that much. This is so extreme.

Why even have teams any more then? Why isn't it just 12 people fighting everyone 1v1 style?

And no, Cyrodiil isn't a viable alternative, it isn't the same. I've spent thousands of hours there and BG is something completely different - fast paced, small scale group pvp, short matches, if you played either you know one cannot replace the other.

If this isn't changed back this is the last straw for me. I love this game so much and have 4k hours clocked but updates like this really make me question if it's worth it anymore.

Agree. It's rediculous that it's gone.

I appriciate all they have done for the solo experience, it needed it.

But just add a damn queue for premades. And he'll whilst at it at a leaderboard and rankings or cup creation, private BGS etc

If they do I'll buy the next chapter

Tigerseye · February 2020

Just a suggestion:

If you want people to continue to think of you as a sweet person, who just liked playing in a duo, with your BF, maybe don't bring the words "salty" and "crybabies" into it.

Otherwise, some people might start to think you're not exactly what you say you are...

rager82b14_ESO · February 2020

Well maybe they will add a group queue to the system one day, but when people was upset about premades and how it took the fun out of the game for them. Some of you said make friends, get good. L2p blah blah blah.

So now that the shoe is on the other foot, Do you regret saying all that to them?

valkyrie93 · February 2020

Tigerseye wrote: »

Just a suggestion:

If you want people to continue to think of you as a sweet person, who just liked playing in a duo, with your BF, maybe don't bring the words "salty" and "crybabies" into it.

Otherwise, some people might start to think you're not exactly what you say you are...

I don’t care if people think I’m sweet or not lol. People are throwing around “get good” at others when they’re just people who like to play with their friends so I’m not just gonna not say anything. Not everything is a premade out to stomp you

valkyrie93 · February 2020

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

Well maybe they will add a group queue to the system one day, but when people was upset about premades and how it took the fun out of the game for them. Some of you said make friends, get good. L2p blah blah blah.

So now that the shoe is on the other foot, Do you regret saying all that to them?

Nah cause I didnt.

Pretty sure a lot of casual pvpers that used this as a fun activity to play with their friends have been affected by this

rager82b14_ESO · February 2020

valkyrie93 wrote: »

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

Well maybe they will add a group queue to the system one day, but when people was upset about premades and how it took the fun out of the game for them. Some of you said make friends, get good. L2p blah blah blah.

So now that the shoe is on the other foot, Do you regret saying all that to them?

Nah cause I didnt.

Pretty sure a lot of casual pvpers that used this as a fun activity to play with their friends have been affected by this

Sure, but many people did.

I'm not saying that it is right or fair. In a perfect world, we would have the options for both players..but they might have not added that option because it would split the players up. Who knows, the point is that people who solo queue had to put up with premades for the longest time. So letting them have some fun in the sun, is not the end of the world.

Ysbriel · February 2020

I made the right choice on not to pre order Skyrim and not re activate my plus then.

regime211 · February 2020

What Zos needs to stop doing is using this game as a test trial for everything. I never agreed with Solo BG within an MMO! And I want to know what community they're listening to who constantly keeps asking for these changes? Does it suck when you run into a sweaty match? To me No it is actually more fun because it makes the match last longer. I'm so tired of this game being constantly used as some test trial when it needs to be within its PRIME! 6 YEARS! And we still have stuck in combat bugs, abilities not firing,load screens during fights in pvp, break free not working, breaking LOS to still be instant killed by long ranged and even melee ranged abilities..the same list goes ON I enjoy playing this game but enough is enough already, we have been providing revenue for far too long. Changes should not be made like this! This is an MMO not a single player game if we wanted to play elder scrolls single player we could play Skyrim instead!

Kidgangster101 · February 2020

xshatox wrote: »

StrawberryKitsune wrote: »

xshatox wrote: »

valkyrie93 wrote: »

xshatox wrote: »

Learn, adapt and move on.
Now people will slot CC, damage, buff and heal.
Not just 1 for CC, 2 for DD, 1 for buff and heal.

I don't see the problem with the latter in this 4 man team game mode?

Again, why not just throw us all in there without teams then. This is coming from someone who mainly played in a duo. I just want to be able to have a fun experience WITH my friends in an MMO

of course you are.
most people in BG is solo, they wont have a chance against mini ball group. now that its not possible they have to learn how to play. by playing with friends you means steamrolling solo player.

By playing with friends I suspect she means playing with friends and you’re just being salty. I’m no longer interested in playing BGs with this change. I liked to queue with 1-3 friends for the fun of it. We chatted in the 30 minute plus queues, duelled a bit and just messed about to make the time pass. We didn’t specially optimise with set roles or gear. Sometimes we steamrolled others, sometimes we steamrolled less experienced players, sometimes we we’re steamrolled by more experienced players And I know at least 9/10 of our losses were due to our errors not the other teams. I’d expect that most of the teams that beat us weren’t permafrost either but much better solo players grouped on random. But we did play the modes as intended rather than running around like headless chickens trying to kill everything that crossed our panic-blurred vision. Whether banning premades or not that last point will still be a big reason for teams losing. The main thing though was we had fun TOGETHER in fast paced modes designed to encourage team play not solo play.

The snipe spammer will still spam snipe.
The guy/gal hiding in a corner with a BG induced in game anxiety attack will still hide and contribute nothing.
The less experienced will still get spanked by the more experienced (especially for the next month with MMR reset). The only things that changed is there is now less choice in the game than before and you can’t blame premades for your own failures. And by your I mean a collective your not you specifically.

What I’d be interested to know is if the group chat is getting more toxic with previously grouped players getting paired with randoms they feel aren’t doing what needs to be done. I hope not but I’m still curious to know. I personally am not interested in BGs anymore with this change as I said before. Mostly because of similar reasons why people don’t like randomly queuing for dungeons.

TLDR; choice is never a bad thing and should be embraced.

Yes, like choice not to be steamrolled by ball group.
Adapt and learn.

Lol adapt and not play in ball groups? Apparently you think a 2-4 person makes a ball group? Yep no wonder you are excited about this change because they lowered a TEAM based objective game mode to your skill level because you clearly lack enough skill to coordinate with anyone but yourself. And you enjoy it now maybe you can kill the players standing afk in a corner, they seem more up to your play level

Rasande_Robin · February 2020

Don't you rather like to hit your friends instead of healing them? I know I do.