Lord_Onyx wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

Explain how the gold sellers have ruined it for you if you didn't partake in the buying /selling ? And explain how exactly did the duping affect you in any way if you didn't use it? Making statements of fact without arguments really serves no point.
I still have my gear, my progress,my characters, my friends ,my ideas for new crap I want to try and still quite a lot of content to do . You only got one thing right. This is a pretty great game and the devs didn't ruin it they made it.-

Why in the hell would anyone need an argument for a statement of FACT??? LOL Anyways just read the forums I dont need to explain the obvious to you sorry.
The ECONOMY is ruined, sure you play with your friends and have a good time. Good for you!!
I didnt say the game was UNPLAYABLE its just ruined.
Grats to you if you still play the game I never said it was a *** game. Im just really dissapointed in Zenimax for things that could of EASILY been avoided.

When you want to convince anyone that something should be consider a fact you need at least a bit of solid evidence At this moment you do not actually have any knowledge of what the consequences of the duping bug are.

Also the title is that the game is ruined not the economy .Many people don't give a crap about the "ECONOMY" especially since you can be pretty much self sufficient in the game.

Also since it was a gold based economy what did you expect ? If you have gold drops the economy can only be *** as shown by every game that ever had such a stupid system. Unfortunately most people would whine even more if a dev would try to do something more interesting such as an item trade system.
Gold is an annoyance in all games since in the end it ends having only one use which is going down gameplay hindering gold sinks.

Gold farmers aren't nearly as bad as duping.

People who buy gold are always a controlled portion with "controlled" amounts of resources. Also gold farmers cause some spam in our mails. The economy is disrupted but not completely.

Duping on the other hand spreads like wildfire and it involves an infinite amount of resources, gold etc with who knows how many culprits, since it was active for such a long time.

Lord_Onyx wrote: »

Imryll wrote: »

The folks who ruin games are the cheaters. We wouldn't get gold seller spam if folks didn't buy gold, and the glitch is only a problem because unethical players use it. Not saying that ZOS doesn't need to address these issues--yesterday--but place the blame where it's due.

Your're wrong. Sorry but this ISSUE has been around since BETA/ALPHA so NO the blame is all at ZOS.

Lord Onyx, maybe you should train your reasoning a bit... Just because a problem is known doesn't mean there's a good solution to it. Are you really this silly? If you know the solution - why don't you inform us? (And we've been over the perma ban and why it barely doesn't make a dent, so I want to hear something else from you).

Lord_Onyx wrote: »

Well, looks like im done with this game. Was really looking forward to actually invest time in this game.

Now ruined by goldsellers and dupe glitch. Both ruined the game and my experience and really havent been much impressed with the game even.
Despite me not really having too many issues, im really dissapointed that goldsellers and the dupe glitch ruined this game because I really had faith in Zenimax to keep these 2 MAIN THINGS THAT RUIN A GAME AWAY!!!!
But you failed HARD Zenimax.
Ill give you credit on a decent launch but completely failed on the big picture and the forums and proof to it.

*Constant glitches from falling under map.
*Lag
*Buggy combat
*Annoying Gold Sellers
*Dupe glitch
*Ruined economy
*Laggy Cyrodil
*Bots
*Hackers that can instant harvest nodes (want the link to the hack even? not hard to find ffs)
*Constant issues with mail
*Constant issues with chat
*Mail grieving

Thats all I can think of right now and none of these issues have been addressed. At this point I cancelled my SUB and im just going to wait and see what happens because im tired of buying games with false hopes and supporting a game company that doesnt give a *** about its legit player base. These are serious issues that make or break a game from keeping their subscription.

GOLD SELLERS +1
ZENIMAX 0

Also, enjoy this GameReview that EVERYONE can now read and see how bad you failed.
http://www.gamrreview.com/news/91351/elder-scrolls-online-duplication-bug-ruining-mmos-economy

First, it isn't true that the issues aren't, or haven't, been addressed. A lot of accounts have been suspended/banned for botting and gold selling.

Nearly ALL MMO's suffer from those 2 issues alone and must be dealt with in an ongoing manner.

Hell, even the "beloved" WoW still has these issues after 10 years.

As for bugs, yeah, they happen. Some can be, or should have been, addressed and resolved as part of the Beta Tests, but were not.

Others do NOT show up until full server load and others may be minor at first, until full server load.

Every single game developer out there, from every single game company, must triage issues and deal with them based on how severe the issue is, and how many people it affects. There are never enough developers at a game company to work on every single bug all at the same time.

That is just a fact of life. Yeah it sucks if you are one of the ones who is affected by the bug. We ALL want everything fixed yesterday, not a week, or a month from now.

I have found that lag seems to happen in heavily populated areas, for PvP players it is 1000 times worse than for those of us who are PvE players. Lag got bad a few times in Beta, but it was Beta, there are now 100 times, or more, people putting a drain on those servers at any given time.

In PvE, we can just log out and log back in to get into a new instance of the game, but PvP players do not have the luxury.

Mail and Guild issues. Again, this is most likely caused by the load on the servers that handle those processes. Something that would NOT have been found in Beta because of the vast difference in the number of people putting a drain on those servers.

Buggy combat also indicates a drain on the servers because of load causing delays in actions and/or total lack of animations happening, etc.

Today is 18 April 2014, the game was officially released on 4 April 2014. This means that the game is 2 weeks (14 days) old. Not 6 months, 1 year, or 10 years.

It is 14 days old. There are bound to be problems. And lots of them. Some of them are even game breaking for users. Some are just an annoyance.

If the issues are enough that you are unable to play the game and you are dissatisfied with the game, unsub and come back in 1-3 months to see if things are better for you.

Those of us who plan to stick around will most likely be called "fan boys" but in reality we just understand that things happen, especially in a game that is 14 days old, and the game developers need time to work out the logistics on dealing with hackers, exploiters, and bug issues that didn't rear their ugly heads during beta.

No one, ever, anywhere, can ever plan for every possible issue. Hell, just look at the car companies that are doing recalls for issues that are YEARS old that cause real deaths, some of which do not show up until the product ages.

If you decide you are going to leave the game, and never come back, can I have your stuff?

Mass Bans, go!

JessieColtub17_ESO wrote: »

Lord_Onyx wrote: »

Well, looks like im done with this game. Was really looking forward to actually invest time in this game.

Now ruined by goldsellers and dupe glitch. Both ruined the game and my experience and really havent been much impressed with the game even.
Despite me not really having too many issues, im really dissapointed that goldsellers and the dupe glitch ruined this game because I really had faith in Zenimax to keep these 2 MAIN THINGS THAT RUIN A GAME AWAY!!!!
But you failed HARD Zenimax.
Ill give you credit on a decent launch but completely failed on the big picture and the forums and proof to it.

*Constant glitches from falling under map.
*Lag
*Buggy combat
*Annoying Gold Sellers
*Dupe glitch
*Ruined economy
*Laggy Cyrodil
*Bots
*Hackers that can instant harvest nodes (want the link to the hack even? not hard to find ffs)
*Constant issues with mail
*Constant issues with chat
*Mail grieving

Thats all I can think of right now and none of these issues have been addressed. At this point I cancelled my SUB and im just going to wait and see what happens because im tired of buying games with false hopes and supporting a game company that doesnt give a *** about its legit player base. These are serious issues that make or break a game from keeping their subscription.

GOLD SELLERS +1
ZENIMAX 0

Also, enjoy this GameReview that EVERYONE can now read and see how bad you failed.
http://www.gamrreview.com/news/91351/elder-scrolls-online-duplication-bug-ruining-mmos-economy

First, it isn't true that the issues aren't, or haven't, been addressed. A lot of accounts have been suspended/banned for botting and gold selling.

Nearly ALL MMO's suffer from those 2 issues alone and must be dealt with in an ongoing manner.

Hell, even the "beloved" WoW still has these issues after 10 years.

As for bugs, yeah, they happen. Some can be, or should have been, addressed and resolved as part of the Beta Tests, but were not.

Others do NOT show up until full server load and others may be minor at first, until full server load.

Every single game developer out there, from every single game company, must triage issues and deal with them based on how severe the issue is, and how many people it affects. There are never enough developers at a game company to work on every single bug all at the same time.

That is just a fact of life. Yeah it sucks if you are one of the ones who is affected by the bug. We ALL want everything fixed yesterday, not a week, or a month from now.

I have found that lag seems to happen in heavily populated areas, for PvP players it is 1000 times worse than for those of us who are PvE players. Lag got bad a few times in Beta, but it was Beta, there are now 100 times, or more, people putting a drain on those servers at any given time.

In PvE, we can just log out and log back in to get into a new instance of the game, but PvP players do not have the luxury.

Mail and Guild issues. Again, this is most likely caused by the load on the servers that handle those processes. Something that would NOT have been found in Beta because of the vast difference in the number of people putting a drain on those servers.

Buggy combat also indicates a drain on the servers because of load causing delays in actions and/or total lack of animations happening, etc.

Today is 18 April 2014, the game was officially released on 4 April 2014. This means that the game is 2 weeks (14 days) old. Not 6 months, 1 year, or 10 years.

It is 14 days old. There are bound to be problems. And lots of them. Some of them are even game breaking for users. Some are just an annoyance.

If the issues are enough that you are unable to play the game and you are dissatisfied with the game, unsub and come back in 1-3 months to see if things are better for you.

Those of us who plan to stick around will most likely be called "fan boys" but in reality we just understand that things happen, especially in a game that is 14 days old, and the game developers need time to work out the logistics on dealing with hackers, exploiters, and bug issues that didn't rear their ugly heads during beta.

No one, ever, anywhere, can ever plan for every possible issue. Hell, just look at the car companies that are doing recalls for issues that are YEARS old that cause real deaths, some of which do not show up until the product ages.

If you decide you are going to leave the game, and never come back, can I have your stuff?

I respect your comment but I just dont have the time or energy to argue with you sorry. I just said what I had to say and of course it may not always be exact or true but most of it is. The fact that the game was released yes April 4th but was well in development months before Launch Day so thats no excuse.
Listen, people are seriously talking about just rolling back the servers just to alleviate some of the damaged cause by these idiots who wanted to dupe glitch.
If ZOS is willing to do that as a solution then so be it, at this point unless something IS going to be done about it and not swept under rug then I will move on and find another game to play/invest my money and time into.
Again, I never said the game was "*** or OMGFUCKYOUZEN" im just really pissed at the current circumstances happening right now.
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And NO you caint have my 8k gold or stacks of materials I worked so hard for and didnt dupe or buy gold from. Sorry!

Turelus wrote: »

Those Devs that ruin the games are also the ones who made it and are working every day to fix the issues.
Do you somehow see ZOS staff going into work every day putting their feet up and doing nothing?

There is an issue with gold selling and botting and now the exploit has come to public light, you can also find posts on these forums from ZOS stating they are looking into and working on every single one of these issues.
If you know some magic bullet fix that outright stops botting and gold selling in an MMO you should probably patience that right now and start selling it because you're going to be rich.
We don't fully know the level of abuse the exploit had or how ZOS plan to proceed with dealing with it, it's not even been a day since it became publicly aware and people started screaming about it.

This isn't the first game to suffer item duplication and it wont be the last, the fact they know it happened and have disabled its cause while they work on a fix is already a start, the damage to the economy will also be minimized by the fact we don't have a central auction house.

If you wish to leave over these issues that's your own choice and right, but you might want to wait and see what they manage to do over the next couple weeks and months now they have bug reports and feedback piling in to work from.

Yep, sure seems like they do jack and ***.
They had over year with 'closed alpha/beta' testing and absolutely nothing changed.
Oh wait they added in mob collision and took away most of the API functionality...

One of the worst MMORPG launches I have ever been a part of.
Even Neverwinter *shudder* had a smoother launch and less duping and spamming/botting and that game is just a pile of crap.

My 2 cents:

If there was a rollback I would not care. The game is fun to play that is where it starts and ends for me.

I don't "invest" time in a game. The time that I play is solely for enjoyment not for worrying about someone else's behavior (hello ignore list ).

If you are putting some of your ego into the game, taking some odd sense of self worth from digital accomplishments, then sorry bucko but you are in desperate need of a life.

Chomag wrote: »

zeuseason wrote: »

Please don't try the comparison.

Ok, since you completely missing the memo, let me rephrase DIABLO 3.

Here is a link talking about the bug in question.... they are not mentioning it on the patch notes but apparently they are addressing this patch right now with the server down. We will see however.... I did not know about this bug tell just now, and while I myself don't really care to cheat in that nature I know many others will...... mainly the Elite mentality guilds will all want the fastest way to be the best..... most of these people have very shallow morals and will not think twice about cheating to get ahead in a game they plan to quit in 2 months anyway after all the issues have been addressed and they are no longer uber. THE GLARING ISSUE I HAVE HOWEVER is that the game in so many words will be ruined for me more then them...... they get to leave after 2 months and move onto the next game .... those of us that were hoping this was going to turn into our next long term MMO now feel like we are sorta wasting our time trying to get ahead in a game where people are already where we want to be by cheating..... so in short.... WHAT IS THE POINT OF PLAYING THIS GAME RIGHT NOW KNOWING ALL YOUR EFFORT CAN BE OVERSHADOWED BY SOME GUY IN 1 HOUR.

http://www.gamrreview.com/news/91351/elder-scrolls-online-duplication-bug-ruining-mmos-economy

Aluo wrote: »

so in short.... WHAT IS THE POINT OF PLAYING THIS GAME RIGHT NOW KNOWING ALL YOUR EFFORT CAN BE OVERSHADOWED BY SOME GUY IN 1 HOUR.

http://www.gamrreview.com/news/91351/elder-scrolls-online-duplication-bug-ruining-mmos-economy

No in short is "Why do you take your sense of self worth and accomplishment only from comparison with others?"

That is a formula for a very unhappy life. Always compete with yourself.

PBpsy wrote: »

Explain how the gold sellers have ruined it for you if you didn't partake in the buying /selling ? And explain how exactly did the duping affect you in any way if you didn't use it? Making statements of fact without arguments really serves no point.
I still have my gear, my progress,my characters, my friends ,my ideas for new crap I want to try and still quite a lot of content to do . You only got one thing right. This is a pretty great game and the devs didn't ruin it they made it.-

You clearly are not addressing the issue that if you are into pvp and want to get a start right now.... you will be going against players that may very well have head to toe legendary gear with a never ending supply of potions soul gems and so forth..... it just isn't a fair fight anymore and that is the problem.... it is one thing to get owned by a guy decked out in gear 4 months in...... totally different story when it is 2 weeks in and we know that NOBODY should be that geared yet unless an entire guild focused all their efforts into gearing out 1 guy...... so in short... it throws the entire world out of whack. Just because you don't feel the impact directly doesn't mean it isn't there.

Hey,

I think you're seeing it all a bit too dramatic.
The dupe thing is an issue right now sure, but I'm sure it will be fixed rather quick. The impact of this bug on the gameplay or economy as a whole down the road... is non existent.
It's not any worse than the impact of a player buying 1000000 gold and injecting that into the economy. Every MMO deals with that.

Gold sellers are really annoying, agreed. There's spam filter mods on several sites (like esoui.com) that deal pretty well with them and let you add new filter patterns on the fly to catch whatever spam still makes it through.
And again, I'm sure (or hope) that the devs will eventually come up with a faster and better way of dealing with them permanently.

I'm a dev myself on an online game and we do sometimes pull our hairs over petitions and raging that goes on in the forums... but even when we prioritize something that's bugging people, or something they really want, it takes some time for the changes and fixes to happen...

There's the whole process of planning the best approach, developing it, seeing that it only does 80% of what's expected from it and is breaking someone elses code that was using certain functions too, taking a few steps back, getting it done properly, having QA find ridiculous (who would even try those things really!!%^$%) ways to exploit or circumvent it, going back and amending fixes for those exploits etc, or rethinking the whole approach if it doesn't offer a clean, reliable way to account for the QA findings, planning the accidental demise of specific QA employees, etc etc...

...in other words, you should try giving them a bit more time from the time to find satisfactory solutions for issues, before saying they suck (which is a perfectly valid statement if they don't get their stuff together).

Quick and dirty fixes are usually preferred by the community because it looks at first glance like the Devs rock and fix things awesomely fast, but the result of those duck tape-patches is usually that, like with the guild banks now... they'll have to be taken down later again because the issues lie much deeper and the quick fixes really just offered a quick wooden bridge over an abyss that keeps getting larger and more fragile the more players play with it (one sentence paragraph!).

This is every true, Aluo. I bet there are pvp-focused guilds that consist basicly of exploiters as we had it in other mmos. Its a shame if Zenimax wouldnt punish them as hard as they deserve.
Its not the devs who give anyone a bad time, its always the bad dudes, any kind of them. There are bugs and such sure. Its a new game and easily forgiven by me.

Once being in a pvp-guild in another game i wanted to report an obvious duper and my guild leader told me: "I tell you this once only: Dont do that, hes (an alt of someone) from our guild." Do you have words for this? Its like a mafia.

Chomag wrote: »

In before apologists claiming the other MMOs had equally bad launches (they didn't, actually) or that you must have more patience with the launch.

Wildstar beta weekend coming up in a bit.

More like a realist. Besides Rift. Every MMO launch has been bumpy and clumsy. The problem is whiney jaded "I want it now or I will cry" gamers that have no clue of the complexity of the subject the cry about.