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Tolerance of bot cheating a deal breaker
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Inupis✭✭✭What are we getting for $15 a month. People say bug fixes...well if the game had no bugs are they going to stop charging $15. I expect things like ingame GM's to handle and check on bots and gold spammers.0 -
loops73✭✭vstadenerwb17_ESO wrote: »shamsb14a_ESO wrote: »Bots? WTF are you talking about? I regularly go into the public dungeons and stand there farming the boss until my bags are full; it is by far the quickest way to get mats for crafting. I've never seen a bot, only other players doing the same thing as me. How can you tell that someone standing still, spamming 5-5-5-5-5 until the boss spawns isn't a player sitting at their keyboard for 15 minutes? You can't. I have seen nothing that makes me think there are bots in the game. Whining teenagers complaining on the message boards, sure. Not bots.
People like you will ruin this game
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AlliN✭✭✭Today, in my 5 hours of play I saw:
1. About 40 botters - safe number, visited aroung 13 dungeons, almost every single one of them had a group of either 4x tempalr or 4x DK farming the boss.
2. Invisible harvester bot (ha, buy how did you see it if it was invisible.) Tried to get to a node, suddenly a "interact with palyer" popup came up, with asgfgdfs name, no one in sight, node vanished, heard steps, no model.
3. About 3 teleport bots, visible, but vanishing after a harvest, and appearing instantly in the next node in visible range. Not possible to get through that distance on foot, split secodn time.
4. Suprisingly few gold spammers, but I'm in third zone, and have 100 people already on ignore list, that might be the case.I have seen nothing that makes me think there are bots in the game.
You are either lying, botting yourself, or just trolling.
There are easy ways to check if the guys' a bot or not, like whispering with a question if he wants a free stack of (item he's armor made of) or blue-epic items, becasue they are "of no use to you".
My bet, you are just covering your ass.
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Dolenz✭✭✭vstadenerwb17_ESO wrote: »EASY!
I love this game and I really want to be a long-term subscriber, but at this stage it's frustrating the hell out of me (and I'm not the only one, as you can clearly see from the 50 odd posts on complaints about boss farming). This needs to be high priority!!
Every person not involved in a project as complex as an MMO always believes their fixes are "Easy" to implement.
Everybody want their own personal pet peeve issue to be a Top Priority.
Botters - Top Priority
Spammers - Top Priority
Ninja Chest Looting - Top Priority
Can't Log in - Top Priority
Broken Quests - Top Priority
Launcher Issues - Top Priority
Missing Items and Bank Slots - Top Priority
Disconnects - Top Priority
They can't all be top priority though.
Edited by Dolenz on April 18, 2014 12:43AM0 -
vstadenerwb17_ESO wrote: »shamsb14a_ESO wrote: »Bots? WTF are you talking about? I regularly go into the public dungeons and stand there farming the boss until my bags are full; it is by far the quickest way to get mats for crafting. I've never seen a bot, only other players doing the same thing as me. How can you tell that someone standing still, spamming 5-5-5-5-5 until the boss spawns isn't a player sitting at their keyboard for 15 minutes? You can't. I have seen nothing that makes me think there are bots in the game. Whining teenagers complaining on the message boards, sure. Not bots.
People like you will ruin this game
Hey, don't put that on me because I realized that if you spam your execute ability on open air you can get a hit on the public dungeon loot piñata. I had the same problem everyone else is complaining about until I figured out what ability to use in order to do enough damage to get loot rights on the boss. Games are social engineering (why do you think they call it "game theory?"). The developers created a situation where a) the boss spawns more quickly the more people are present, but also b) the more people hitting the boss, the less likely any individual will have a big enough share of the damage to be able to loot it. It took me a while to figure out what spells to use, but now i can loot the boss pretty consistently. It's dumb design, but it is what it is.0 -
ElliottXO✭✭✭✭✭lordrichter wrote: »What I think you may not be aware of is banning these accounts is absolutely ineffective because every single last one is bought with stolen CC info.
It is very effective because it gets them out of the game. It is not permanent, which is maybe what you meant.
I have said a couple times in threads that they are taking two approaches. One is banning, which must be done continuously to weed out current offenders. The other is detection and blocking, which takes longer to develop but is intended to reduce the number of people who need to be banned in the future.I think the problem people right now have is that it appears that zenimax does not have a dedicated bot hunter at the moment. A GM that does nothing else than hunting bots and investigating bot reports.
No, they probably don't have a dedicated bot hunter. They probably have a team of them. Just because someone is not standing there in flowing golden robes with "Game Master" floating over them does not mean they are ignoring the situation.
The worst thing anyone can do in this game is assume that they are not being watched.
If that would be the case, then I highly doubt that you would encounter bots in the low level dungeons on the regular basis. This is the first place I would sweep every 1-2 hours, in all different channels/phases.
Instead, you see the very same bots 24/7 standing there beating down the mobs. Also the fact that I've seen those silly named bots in high level dungeons implicits that they didn't get banned for a certain amount of time so they could make their way up to a level 35 dungeon!
Currently it seems that zenimax is collecting bot reports for 1-2 weeks to ban in a batch, leaving the botters too much time to profit from it. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but then also provide half solid proof.Edited by ElliottXO on April 18, 2014 1:40AM1 -
I've pretty much given up. It's no longer enjoyable to log into the game and deal with the never ending spam, bots, hacks, etc. Zenimax says they are dealing with the problem but honestly I think it's BS. I've had my ignore list topped out three times now, my email is a flood of ticket responses for reports, and yet it seems to be getting worse.
Was a huge fan of EOS and was more than happy to defend it during launch but what is going on either smacks of incompetence, or a CS that has been compromised by the hackers.
At this point I can't recommend the game to anyone because the community experience is just so horrible... and the fact Zenimax seems to not give a damn (no GMs, gold sellers still going under same account since launch, etc) says it all.The only negative experience in ESO is those that make it negative.1 -
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Damage amount is irrelevant. It only takes a reduction of 1 HP to count. You can punch the damn thing and get credit.shamsb14a_ESO wrote: »until I figured out what ability to use in order to do enough damage to get loot rights on the boss.
Words contained in posts, at which point I stop reading and will not respond...
Toon / Mana / WoW or any acronym following "In ___" /
Pets (when referring to summoned Daedra) / Any verbiage to express slang (ie, ending in uz,az,..) / Soul Stone
... to be continued.
Now, get off my lawn.0 -
SeñorCinco wrote: »
Damage amount is irrelevant. It only takes a reduction of 1 HP to count. You can punch the damn thing and get credit.shamsb14a_ESO wrote: »until I figured out what ability to use in order to do enough damage to get loot rights on the boss.
I think that may be correct regarding getting kill credit, but in order to loot the mob it seems you have to contribute over a certain percentage threshold. I know I've gotten credit for finishing public dungeons by killing the boss but been unable to loot it.
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Jadeviper1974✭✭✭shamsb14a_ESO wrote: »Bots? WTF are you talking about? I regularly go into the public dungeons and stand there farming the boss until my bags are full; it is by far the quickest way to get mats for crafting. I've never seen a bot, only other players doing the same thing as me. How can you tell that someone standing still, spamming 5-5-5-5-5 until the boss spawns isn't a player sitting at their keyboard for 15 minutes? You can't. I have seen nothing that makes me think there are bots in the game. Whining teenagers complaining on the message boards, sure. Not bots.
Good trolling.
Actually I disagree, I think it was rather poor trolling, no creativity at all and the delivery was lacking. All in all I give it a 2/10.What is written above are my honest opinions. If you agree then; "Great!" If you disagree; "Great!" I really couldn't care less either way.2 -
vstadenerwb17_ESO wrote: »shamsb14a_ESO wrote: »Bots? WTF are you talking about? I regularly go into the public dungeons and stand there farming the boss until my bags are full; it is by far the quickest way to get mats for crafting. I've never seen a bot, only other players doing the same thing as me. How can you tell that someone standing still, spamming 5-5-5-5-5 until the boss spawns isn't a player sitting at their keyboard for 15 minutes? You can't. I have seen nothing that makes me think there are bots in the game. Whining teenagers complaining on the message boards, sure. Not bots.
People like you will ruin this game
Well, based on what I read, your going to have to figure the timer out now, and I doubt it will be as quick.
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Ahhh. I see what you're saying. However, I haven't seen nor heard of this differential until now.shamsb14a_ESO wrote: »I think that may be correct regarding getting kill credit, but in order to loot the mob it seems you have to contribute over a certain percentage threshold. I know I've gotten credit for finishing public dungeons by killing the boss but been unable to loot it.
Nonetheless, just because I haven't heard of it doesn't mean it's not so.
Words contained in posts, at which point I stop reading and will not respond...
Toon / Mana / WoW or any acronym following "In ___" /
Pets (when referring to summoned Daedra) / Any verbiage to express slang (ie, ending in uz,az,..) / Soul Stone
... to be continued.
Now, get off my lawn.1 -
etadelta164_ESO wrote: »I like to mess with the gold farmers and bots. I will go into the dungeon and get to the last final dude and I will sit there and spam attacks constantly with my dragon knight. I love pulling the mob before they even get a chance to hit it. I will do this for about 5 or so minutes and then leave.
+1 for effort. I tried doing similar with knockbacks but they were totally ineffective.
I pull every mob I can onto the 'train' of multi-boxed bots, in attempts to get them killed. Actually got the NPCs to kill off one of them, and I felt SOOOO much satisfaction! Too bad the other didn't get killed as well.0 -
shamsb14a_ESO wrote: »Bots? WTF are you talking about? I regularly go into the public dungeons and stand there farming the boss until my bags are full; it is by far the quickest way to get mats for crafting. I've never seen a bot, only other players doing the same thing as me. How can you tell that someone standing still, spamming 5-5-5-5-5 until the boss spawns isn't a player sitting at their keyboard for 15 minutes? You can't. I have seen nothing that makes me think there are bots in the game. Whining teenagers complaining on the message boards, sure. Not bots.
Where is my 'talking out of the side of your neck' button? Cause this post is a hot pile of fresh excrement.1 -
Anoteros✭✭✭✭
Already cancelled.I am sick of this. If this is still happening after the first 30 days I'm cancelling my account. Period.
My money is only one account but I'll be spending it elsewhere.
IF they do fix this then I might consider reactivating. As it stands there is no way i'm tolerating this crap anymore.
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Anoteros✭✭✭✭
Hardly, I do the same.vstadenerwb17_ESO wrote: »shamsb14a_ESO wrote: »Bots? WTF are you talking about? I regularly go into the public dungeons and stand there farming the boss until my bags are full; it is by far the quickest way to get mats for crafting. I've never seen a bot, only other players doing the same thing as me. How can you tell that someone standing still, spamming 5-5-5-5-5 until the boss spawns isn't a player sitting at their keyboard for 15 minutes? You can't. I have seen nothing that makes me think there are bots in the game. Whining teenagers complaining on the message boards, sure. Not bots.
People like you will ruin this game
We don't one shot it like the 50 bots huddled ontop of eachother.
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✭shamsb14a_ESO wrote: »I think that may be correct regarding getting kill credit, but in order to loot the mob it seems you have to contribute over a certain percentage threshold. I know I've gotten credit for finishing public dungeons by killing the boss but been unable to loot it.
^This has also been my experience.
If I had to guess as to exactly how it works, I'd say you have to do your share of the damage to get loot credit. If 4 people do ~20% of damage, they will all get loot. But, if one of the 4 does 75% damage, only he is getting loot.
Basically the more people who do damage, the less you have to individually inflict. But, it's a game of inflation because everyone is struggling to do enough damage for credit. So, to get loot you keep having to throw out massive amounts of damage, but only for a second or two.
If you only hit it once or twice for 5%, the other 4 people who did 15-25% will get loot, but you just get credit for killing the mob.[DC/NA]0 -
Anoteros✭✭✭✭Loot/tagging system is absolutely *** house.
1. Make public dungeons instanced.
2. Limit to how many you can enter in an hour.
3. Retune mobs to scale to how many in a group or solo.
Problem sovled.
But then again, this means ZOS would have to actually do something to fix their game so not holding my breath.Edited by Anoteros on April 18, 2014 3:18AM0 -
Kyosji✭✭✭vstadenerwb17_ESO wrote: »This issue is making me FURIOUS as hell! I just logged out coz I couldn't take it anymore! Took me about TWELVE tries just to get a hit in just now (dungeon NW of Elder Oak Tree - Grahtwood, but really, this is in EVERY damn public dungeon). Once I managed to get the kill (and "completed" update), I saw my loot there, in the HEAP of bosses, so I couldn't get my loot because of the huge pile that never vanishes.
FIX IT! THIS IS RUINING IT FOR ME PERSONALLY! It's really NOT that hard to fix.
#1. SET ALL CHARACTERS TO ONLY CREDIT THEM FOR ONE KILL (1 x boss XP, 1 x loot, THAT'S IT!). Once you trigger the "Completed" in a public dungeon, it's triggered and you can't kill that boss again. No XP, no loot, no bots... see where I'm going with this.
PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, THIS:
"Public Dungeon & Delve Boss Monsters – Also based on feedback, we will be placing a timer on how often you can get loot from public dungeon and delve boss monsters. This timer is shared across all boss monsters in public dungeons and delves. This will not impact loot timers for quest-specific monsters or overworld group bosses. Watch the patch notes for news on when this change will go live."
...BS is not gonna work. Try this instead (and sorry for the spam but I'm livid and I've been trying NOT to come here and rant but enough is enough.
#1. SET ALL CHARACTERS TO ONLY CREDIT THEM FOR ONE KILL (1 x boss XP, 1 x loot, THAT'S IT!). Once you trigger the "Completed" in a public dungeon, it's triggered and you can't kill that boss again. No XP, no loot, no bots... see where I'm going with this.
#1. SET ALL CHARACTERS TO ONLY CREDIT THEM FOR ONE KILL (1 x boss XP, 1 x loot, THAT'S IT!). Once you trigger the "Completed" in a public dungeon, it's triggered and you can't kill that boss again. No XP, no loot, no bots... see where I'm going with this.
#1. SET ALL CHARACTERS TO ONLY CREDIT THEM FOR ONE KILL (1 x boss XP, 1 x loot, THAT'S IT!). Once you trigger the "Completed" in a public dungeon, it's triggered and you can't kill that boss again. No XP, no loot, no bots... see where I'm going with this.
EASY!
I love this game and I really want to be a long-term subscriber, but at this stage it's frustrating the hell out of me (and I'm not the only one, as you can clearly see from the 50 odd posts on complaints about boss farming). This needs to be high priority!!
Only issue with that is this, what happens if that boss drops specific set/blue/purple/gold items, and it didn't drop for you? Does that mean you will never have the chance to get that item? If I fight a couple of boss mobs and get garbage, but others talk about some great items they got, I'd be pissed. Unless they make EVERY boss drop identical items for everyone that kills it (which IMO cheapens the experience of a MMORPG), it wouldn't be fair to the player base.
Basically what I'm saying is this, no matter what fix they really put on it, it will hurt legit players in some way. I have yet seen someone post an idea that didn't involve screwing over some normal player somewhere down the line except for the extended timers on bosses and loot. Only issue with timers are that the bots will still be there, but they just get less items because of the timer.
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ElliottXO✭✭✭✭✭shamsb14a_ESO wrote: »Bots? WTF are you talking about? I regularly go into the public dungeons and stand there farming the boss until my bags are full; it is by far the quickest way to get mats for crafting. I've never seen a bot, only other players doing the same thing as me. How can you tell that someone standing still, spamming 5-5-5-5-5 until the boss spawns isn't a player sitting at their keyboard for 15 minutes? You can't. I have seen nothing that makes me think there are bots in the game. Whining teenagers complaining on the message boards, sure. Not bots.
Then see this:
The Elder Scrolls Online F***ing Bots [ESO]:
http://youtu.be/jrm7i1pEz_Q
And there are people pulling ranged mobs on them to get them killed, which works. But of course they are legit players...
And now wake up from your dream little princess.1 -
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If they are real players then they are on meth. Stros M'kai was stripped clean on everything not a rune. On the bright side I'm gunna be a helluva runecrafter, since that's all they leave. Spending more time every day on my other games. Although my encounters with ZOS customer service caused me to send a ty to all the csrs in my other 2 games.lordrichter wrote: »They are banning people, and I am surprised that this is not common knowledge given all of the people getting accidental bans.
When I report people for spamming me with gold guild invites or sending me emails about gold websites, I almost never hear from them again and if I do it is within just a couple hours.
I don't even put them on ignore anymore because it is a waste of my time.
Now, I do not follow Zone so I never report anyone there and cannot say how long it takes to get rid of them in there. Based on the fact that they are rapidly adapting and changing what they do and how they say it, I have to guess that the lifespan is fairly short, maybe a couple days at the most.
Now, on the topic at hand....
I never report boss farmers, bots or otherwise, no matter what their name is or how many are piled atop each other. That way lies madness, and takes time, which could get me reported for standing there. No, I just stay far far away from the bosses during peak hours. During off hours when few people are around and I can get in and out quickly, different story.
Personally, I think that what most people think are teleporting or invisible bots farming materials in the wilds is a quirk (bug) of the game, not something sinister. I have seen chests that fade out when I approach them and reappear when I step back and I have seen these chests do that for several minutes. I have seen everyday players simply appear, or disappear, right in front of me and all they are doing is running past me. I have chased after players that have simply vanished and when I get close enough they fade back in. I have seen players that appear to be just standing idle pop down roads because they are running by me and I am simply not getting the animation and live updates.
So, I have not reported any bot farmers, either. Although, if I can catch one I will report them.
I am not sure what Zenimax thinks of multiboxing, and I have seen what looks like that in a dungeon with 2 or 3 characters all running in a line. They were stumbling around getting caught on everything and I actually felt sorry for them because whatever they were doing, it clearly was not working. But, I am not sure what Zenimax thinks of that and I do not report it if I have not been told they are interested.
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Magicke✭I would simply suggest a one shot kill for anyone who has looted any boss and attacks again - one hit, boss hits kerblam. Debuff duration 30 mins. Any repeated attempts to attack result in teleportation to Cyrodiil.Edited by Magicke on April 18, 2014 12:30PM1
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Kyosji✭✭✭Yeah, those are bots. I personally haven't run into anything THAT bad yet. I've only farmed 3 bosses so far in this game hours on end, each time they were regular players (had conversations with them, made friends with a few). Yeah, that video shows definite bots.0
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i really hope we get an easy rigth click report bot/report gold spam button cause when i go into a public dungeon the amount of bots there is insane with names like " afads" "affsds" and so on and it take a while for the whole report page to come up and go through all the steps for each and every one which i would like to do but i also want to spend more time playing... and actually getting to kill a boss without help from a dozen automated programs farming for gold0
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VileIntent✭✭✭✭this will clean up your chat for the most part.
http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info89-SpamFilter.html0 -
ElliottXO✭✭✭✭✭Yeah, those are bots. I personally haven't run into anything THAT bad yet. I've only farmed 3 bosses so far in this game hours on end, each time they were regular players (had conversations with them, made friends with a few). Yeah, that video shows definite bots.
If you had 5 day early access and made your way through the low level dungeons during this time you wouldn't have encountered them, since the gold sellers did not buy the imperial edition.
Bots are not that common in the higher dungeons. But of you now go back into the first dungeons you will see those groups pretty much at every boss.0 -
The timer is a nonstarter and will likely be abandoned when it doesn't work. but bots are a priority. and if you read any thread about bots or the loot timer you would know there have been like 100s of suggestions all discussing the same solution, changes to the instancing and phasing to keep players away from farmers and bots, until systems can be put in place to dramatically cut down the botting.You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.
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Valiant29✭✭This game hasn't been out a month yet, and currently Zeni has to focus of squashing bugs before they can start to focus on the bots and spammers. Have patience, there's a reason it's called a virtue.0 -
Hrithmus✭✭✭This is what happens when you have a MMO with add-on's you get bots.
You can thank the nerds who need the almighty add-on to brag about how much damage they are doing. The add-on's need watched more. Everyone fails to bring this up.
Restricted add-on's need to happen now or just remove themEdited by Hrithmus on April 18, 2014 1:04PM1
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