Frost staff heavy attack taunt has to go.
Anhedonie
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Another day, another *** posts on reddit about other *** using frost staff heavy while playing damage dealers. [Snip].
ZOS, ice staff heavy is the ultimate trolling tool and while it's hilarious, you gonna drive away all the remaining 3 tanks that queue to random dungeon finder. So you must do something about the frost stuff. I'm not sure that even marking taunt part in red will help, because some people suck at reading. The safest bet would be just removing the taunt.
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Edited by ZOS_Volpe on February 19, 2020 4:00PM ZOS, ice staff heavy is the ultimate trolling tool and while it's hilarious, you gonna drive away all the remaining 3 tanks that queue to random dungeon finder. So you must do something about the frost stuff. I'm not sure that even marking taunt part in red will help, because some people suck at reading. The safest bet would be just removing the taunt.
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✭You can have my frost staff taunt when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.
See what I did there?29 -
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Anhedonie✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭EvilAutoTech wrote: »You can have my frost staff taunt when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.
See what I did there?
Nice one.
But do you really use ice staff taunt? Or rather, never had any issues with it?
I'm a bit tired of seeing this very topic being brought up pretty much every day on reddit. Same issues. It's clear that Tri-Focus effect isn't conveyed clearly to new players.Profanity filter is a crime against the freedom of speech. Also gags.0 -
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✭✭✭You pull it you tank it. Frost staves are not the problem. And some DDs can actually tank easy veterans.
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lordspyder✭✭✭✭✭EvilAutoTech wrote: »You can have my frost staff taunt when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.
See what I did there?
Nice one.
But do you really use ice staff taunt? Or rather, never had any issues with it?
I'm a bit tired of seeing this very topic being brought up pretty much every day on reddit. Same issues. It's clear that Tri-Focus effect isn't conveyed clearly to new players.
I do tank with a frost staff, the magica block means the by switching between sword and board and frost staff, I can hold a block for almost infinity. Take away the taunt and you kill my regen9 -
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✭EvilAutoTech wrote: »You can have my frost staff taunt when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.
See what I did there?
Nice one.
But do you really use ice staff taunt? Or rather, never had any issues with it?
I'm a bit tired of seeing this very topic being brought up pretty much every day on reddit. Same issues. It's clear that Tri-Focus effect isn't conveyed clearly to new players.
I personally find that it takes too long. I'd rather use Inner Rage as it is much faster.PS4-NA. Breton Templar Healer, Bosmer Stamplar, Breton Magplar, Orsimer StamDK, Dunmer MagDK, Khajiit StamNB, Dunmer MagNB, Argonian Warden Tank, Altmer Magsorc11 -
Anhedonie✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Dusk_Coven wrote: »You pull it you tank it. Frost staves are not the problem. And some DDs can actually tank easy veterans.
Yeah. People who can't read are. But I also feel like ZOS isn't properly explaining stuff as well. Some things should be foolproof. And I can't even recall if there is an explanation for taunt immunity in the game (there might be one though).Profanity filter is a crime against the freedom of speech. Also gags.2 -
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✭✭lordspyder wrote: »EvilAutoTech wrote: »You can have my frost staff taunt when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.
See what I did there?
Nice one.
But do you really use ice staff taunt? Or rather, never had any issues with it?
I'm a bit tired of seeing this very topic being brought up pretty much every day on reddit. Same issues. It's clear that Tri-Focus effect isn't conveyed clearly to new players.
I do tank with a frost staff, the magica block means the by switching between sword and board and frost staff, I can hold a block for almost infinity. Take away the taunt and you kill my regen
Come on, you will be fine. Devs have been killing tanks for the past 5 years.
Ice HA is slow, forces you to drop block. You will be better off without it I'm sure.Profanity filter is a crime against the freedom of speech. Also gags.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭While I don't know who is the bigger moron of the two: the one who tanks random dungeons or the one, who uses frost staff, but something is clear.[/b]
The actual Tanks who go into Random Dungeons are doing a great service.
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✭✭✭Dusk_Coven wrote: »You pull it you tank it. Frost staves are not the problem. And some DDs can actually tank easy veterans.
Yeah. People who can't read are. But I also feel like ZOS isn't properly explaining stuff as well.
Every event zone chat is pretty constant with people asking what to do for the event. How about they L2R? Instead they ask someone else to type out everything for them.
No different from frost staff taunt -- players need to learn to read. There's only so much ZOS or any publisher should be obliged to do.Edited by Dusk_Coven on February 18, 2020 7:58PM5 -
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Not denying that. I was implying that they have to suffer through bowtards who only la spam doing 3k dps in veteran dungeons and ice staff enthusiasts that draw aggro, get their dinner pushed back into their throat and complain to tank for not aggro'ing.
Edited by Anhedonie on February 18, 2020 7:58PMProfanity filter is a crime against the freedom of speech. Also gags.5 -
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✭EvilAutoTech wrote: »You can have my frost staff taunt when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.
See what I did there?
Nice one.
But do you really use ice staff taunt? Or rather, never had any issues with it?
I'm a bit tired of seeing this very topic being brought up pretty much every day on reddit. Same issues. It's clear that Tri-Focus effect isn't conveyed clearly to new players.
I would not mind the taunt being removed from tri-focus but I want the functionality to remain. I would actually prefer the taunt to be usable with all staves, or better yet, an actual tanking staff, with a full line of active and passive abilities.
However, I hope they do not try to take this away without giving a viable alternative. Once a player learns to use it properly, that taunt is one of the best tools in the tanking toolkit.5 -
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✭They should detach the taunt from trifocus add something else and make the taunt its own passive. Easy.Edited by DreadDaedroth on February 18, 2020 8:02PM11 -
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✭✭EvilAutoTech wrote: »EvilAutoTech wrote: »You can have my frost staff taunt when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.
See what I did there?
Nice one.
But do you really use ice staff taunt? Or rather, never had any issues with it?
I'm a bit tired of seeing this very topic being brought up pretty much every day on reddit. Same issues. It's clear that Tri-Focus effect isn't conveyed clearly to new players.
I would not mind the taunt being removed from tri-focus but I want the functionality to remain. I would actually prefer the taunt to be usable with all staves, or better yet, an actual tanking staff, with a full line of active and passive abilities.
However, I hope they do not try to take this away without giving a viable alternative. Once a player learns to use it properly, that taunt is one of the best tools in the tanking toolkit.
New skill line would be a great addition and make sense, but I'm not sure devs are open to this. I don't think we will ever get a new weapon skill line ever tbh.Profanity filter is a crime against the freedom of speech. Also gags.0 -
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✭✭✭Instead of pointing out how a level 14 blue piece of armor may have better stats than a level 10 gold piece, tell them that Ice heavy attacks (and the passive) taunt during the loading screen. Maybe every loading screen? lolFear is the Mindkiller6 -
Cage_Lizardman✭✭✭✭✭Yep.
It should taunt with light attacks, and debuff or crowd control with heavies.6 -
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✭✭Cage_Lizardman wrote: »Yep.
It should taunt with light attacks, and debuff or crowd control with heavies.
Calm down Satan.
But I guess it will make learning process faster, since people will run into taunt issue more often.Profanity filter is a crime against the freedom of speech. Also gags.4 -
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Not denying that. I was implying that they have to suffer through bowtards who only la spam doing 3k dps in veteran dungeons and ice staff enthusiasts that draw aggro, get their dinner pushed back into their throat and complain to tank for not aggro'ing.
I'm also a Frost Staff enthusiast but I learned my lesson about Tri Focus long ago. Frost users definitely need to learn to read passives but the game still needs a Magic Tanking option for those inclined to not be shoehorned into Stamina.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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Animal_Mother✭✭✭✭What’s so hard about the description:
“Fully-charged Frost Staff Heavy Attacks taunt the enemy to attack you for 15 seconds and grant a damage shield that absorbs 699 damage. While a Frost Staff is equipped, blocking costs Magicka instead of Stamina.”Cage_Lizardman wrote: »Yep.
It should taunt with light attacks, and debuff or crowd control with heavies.
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✭✭✭✭✭Cage_Lizardman wrote: »Yep.
It should taunt with light attacks, and debuff or crowd control with heavies.
That actually sounds really useful when you begin to think about it. Resource free taunts that you can use at range, while also quickly setting off whatever enchantment you have equipped. Maybe have the heavy attacks slow down the target and all enemies around it in a standard AOE radius? Kind of like how the Lightning staff works?PC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I'll admit I don't run dungeons that often these days but I have only had this issue come up... once. I hardly ever see players using a frost staff, period, and that's a damn shame. If I do see a player using a frost staff, it is probably me playing my magical cat... who has no points in those taunting passives because they're pretty counterproductive for her character.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Remove taunt from frost heavy attack. Don't tie it to a passive. Add taunt to frost clench and put it in big fat bold red letters in the frost clench description.5 -
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✭✭✭✭It’s only a taunt if you choose to take the passive.
It’s not compulsory.
However, it is stupidly implemented. If ZOS want the frost staff heavy attack to be a taunt it should be something players can toggle that does not affect their use of other staff types (eg atm to use a frost staff and a lightning one a player must choose to have the ice staff heavy be a taunt if they want to benefit from the lightning element of the passive; it they don’t want the ice staff heavy to be a taunt they must also sacrifice the benefit of the passive for the lightning staff).
Additionally, it affects the ice staff user’s ability to recharge via heavy attacks (if they don’t want to taunt with it).
It, like so much in the game, is never clearly explained to players.7 -
Anhedonie✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It’s only a taunt if you choose to take the passive.
It’s not compulsory.
However, it is stupidly implemented. If ZOS want the frost staff heavy attack to be a taunt it should be something players can toggle that does not affect their use of other staff types (eg atm to use a frost staff and a lightning one a player must choose to have the ice staff heavy be a taunt if they want to benefit from the lightning element of the passive; it they don’t want the ice staff heavy to be a taunt they must also sacrifice the benefit of the passive for the lightning staff).
Additionally, it affects the ice staff user’s ability to recharge via heavy attacks (if they don’t want to taunt with it).
It, like so much in the game, is never clearly explained to players.
Yeah, that's my issue as well. The explanation is there, the implementation is there, but it's so half baked.Profanity filter is a crime against the freedom of speech. Also gags.0 -
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✭EvilAutoTech wrote: »However, I hope they do not try to take this away without giving a viable alternative. Once a player learns to use it properly, that taunt is one of the best tools in the tanking toolkit.
I've been of the school of thought that Staves should be split into elemental categories. But with this, I'm thinking it might be better to split them into role categories.
Defensive Staff
Offensive Staff
Restoration Staff
Splitting this into three categories as above could help keep things seperate and allow better utility for defensive uses.PS4-NA. Breton Templar Healer, Bosmer Stamplar, Breton Magplar, Orsimer StamDK, Dunmer MagDK, Khajiit StamNB, Dunmer MagNB, Argonian Warden Tank, Altmer Magsorc3 -
RaptorRodeoGod✭✭✭✭✭Cage_Lizardman wrote: »Yep.
It should taunt with light attacks, and debuff or crowd control with heavies.
It'd be cool if they didn't do that because I'm stuck with an Elemental Succession ice staff atm, and I ain't no tank. I have to constantly cancel heavies because I forget to switch to my flame bar first 😭Add a Scribing skill that works like Arcanist beam.
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✭✭Dusk_Coven wrote: »Dusk_Coven wrote: »You pull it you tank it. Frost staves are not the problem. And some DDs can actually tank easy veterans.
Yeah. People who can't read are. But I also feel like ZOS isn't properly explaining stuff as well.
Every event zone chat is pretty constant with people asking what to do for the event. How about they L2R? Instead they ask someone else to type out everything for them.
No different from frost staff taunt -- players need to learn to read. There's only so much ZOS or any publisher should be obliged to do.
TBF sometimes asking what to do in chat is a lot easier than trying to decipher the process described in-game or trying to figure it out via search engine. I remember when the first Christmas event came around and a lot of people were confused about where they were supposed to go, who they were supposed to talk to, etc. Someone taking the time to tell someone to look it up has enough time to give the right answer.
People still ask in Cyrodiil chat where the golden vendor is, and that's a weekly event.
On topic: Ice staff taunt isn't very noticeable because it's hidden in the middle of a block of text under a passive.
Every other method of taunting come via direct abilities, or a set bonus via direct ability, all of which are listed in their respective tooltips.Edited by Alpheu5 on February 18, 2020 9:08PMDalek-Rok - Argonian Sorcerer || Dalek-Shād - Argonian Nightblade || Dalek-Shul - Argonian Templar || Dalek-Xal - Argonian Dragonknight || Mounts-the-Snout - Argonian Warden || Dalek-Xul - Argonian Necromancer || Two-Spires - Argonian Arcanist || Dalek-Nesh - Argonian Sorcerer || Dalek-Kör - Argonian DragonknightJudas Helviaryn wrote: »Don't incorporate bugs into your builds, and you won't have [an] issue.0 -
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✭✭kathandira wrote: »EvilAutoTech wrote: »However, I hope they do not try to take this away without giving a viable alternative. Once a player learns to use it properly, that taunt is one of the best tools in the tanking toolkit.
I've been of the school of thought that Staves should be split into elemental categories. But with this, I'm thinking it might be better to split them into role categories.
Defensive Staff
Offensive Staff
Restoration Staff
Splitting this into three categories as above could help keep things seperate and allow better utility for defensive uses.
Alteration Staff skill line could easily focus around defensive buffs and CC. Since it's pretty much what it does in, for example, Skyrim. Ebon Skin, Paralyze, Life Detection - all these spells are from Alteration tree.Profanity filter is a crime against the freedom of speech. Also gags.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭kathandira wrote: »EvilAutoTech wrote: »However, I hope they do not try to take this away without giving a viable alternative. Once a player learns to use it properly, that taunt is one of the best tools in the tanking toolkit.
I've been of the school of thought that Staves should be split into elemental categories. But with this, I'm thinking it might be better to split them into role categories.
Defensive Staff
Offensive Staff
Restoration Staff
Splitting this into three categories as above could help keep things seperate and allow better utility for defensive uses.
Alteration Staff skill line could easily focus around defensive buffs and CC. Since it's pretty much what it does in, for example, Skyrim. Ebon Skin, Paralyze, Life Detection - all these spells are from Alteration tree.
This has been suggested many times before. Not sure why it hasn't happened yet. It would have made a lot of sense to leave Frost staves something like what they were before their tanking conversion and create an entirely new staff line for Alteration. They wouldn't even have to design new models for the 80+ motifs in the game.3
