Should they flip the Stealth Reduction/Steath Detection passives and Give Bosmer back their stealth?

TheRealPotoroo · February 2020

Other

Both are supposed to be stealthy.

zaria · February 2020

Other

Everstorm wrote: »

Both are supposed to be stealthy.

This, it was stupid to change this just to make the races more different.

max_only · February 2020

Other

ZonasArch wrote: »

Both are supposed to be stealthy, do "no". I don't want them flipped. I want them fixed.

Katahdin · February 2020

No

I'm fine with giving bosmer stealth back

I am not for trading or taking it away from khajiit.

No
Never
Absolutely not

faeeichenlaub · February 2020

Yes

@Ratzkifal

I don't disagree with any of your points. Only that I've adapted.When the theif gear combo is on its situational I'm really only looking to rob places blind and not looking to don on a combat set. (But yes 100 %) agree if it should have remained our option. Rite of theft is Bosmer lore and I'm with everyone on that. The massive losing stealth thread was my main reason for getting a forum account. It was a travesty what they did to Bosmer.

Stealth detect passive. Yes Is VERY passive I preferred the alternate. That said, it has saved my butt a few times when I did not suspect I was perched right beside stealthed enemy blades
This at times when popping a pot would not even be likely situational awareness. These have been hang around type guys inside keeps or perched on rocks outside keeps.well after combat has passed. Kept me from a gank. But certainly a really low percentage of value.

DreadDaedroth · February 2020

Other

Give them both the stealth passive the two races won't lack uniqueness just because they share that passive. It's a silly way the team saw things when they changed racial passive preparing for Khajiit year.

Tigerseye · February 2020

Yes

I said yes, as it would make more sense lore-wise for Khajiits to detect, but maybe it would make more sense to give both reduction and detection to both Bosmer and Khajiit?

I don't do PVP here, so I don't know if that would be OP there, or not(?), but in PVE it would certainly not be OP (so far, at least) for both of them to have both.

Jenzi · February 2020

Yes

Yes
No

I voted yes before reading and realizing the op wanted to swap with Khajiit tbh. Give Bosmer stealth back of course but do not give the horrible stealth detect passive to any other race, no way.

Tigerseye · February 2020

Yes

StormeReigns wrote: »

Never understood acrobat for bosmer, seems more Khajiit.

Lore, repeatedly, describes Bosmer as "nimble" and "agile", so I can totally see it for them.

...but, also for Khajiit, as well.

Animal_Mother · February 2020

Yes

InaMoonlight wrote: »

Actually meant too click other, yay for pre-coffee sleepyness lol. Think khajiit should keep theirs, and bosmer get theirs back ^^

Same here.

The racials were fine when both had their stealth. What good is stealth detection anyways? And why should I have to roll to get a racial benefit?

butterrum222 · February 2020

Bosmer should be able to eat other players as part of their passives as described in the Meat Mandate

Tigerseye · February 2020

Yes

Tigerseye wrote: »

I said yes, as it would make more sense lore-wise for Khajiits to detect, but maybe it would make more sense to give both reduction and detection to both Bosmer and Khajiit?*

I don't do PVP here, so I don't know if that would be OP there, or not(?), but in PVE it would certainly not be OP (so far, at least) for both of them to have both.

*As one combined racial passive, I mean, without taking away anything else they, currently, have.

Tigerseye · February 2020

Yes

butterrum222 wrote: »

Bosmer should be able to eat other players as part of their passives as described in the Meat Mandate

No thanks, my Bosmer is now a pollo-pescetarian.

Contaminate · February 2020

Other

Bosmer should have reduce stealth detection radius, so should Khajiit. Bosmer should also have disease resistance, while Argonians should have poison resistance as per established lore in this and other ES titles.

Ratzkifal · February 2020

No

Contaminate wrote: »

Bosmer should have reduce stealth detection radius, so should Khajiit. Bosmer should also have disease resistance, while Argonians should have poison resistance as per established lore in this and other ES titles.

@Contaminate Argonians should have both resistances. It needs to be said every time. When it comes to resistances to poison as well as disease Argonians have a stronger case in both cases than Bosmer do. Apart from diseases caused by daedric curses, Argonians are immune to pretty much every known disease.
The Bosmer on the other hand were decimated by the Knahaten Flu which ultimately lead to them joining the Dominion as the Altmer helped them stabilize and rebuild. The same disease made the fox people and silver skinned humans of Blackmarsh extinct while the Argonians were immune to it.

Although you are probably aware of the poison arguments already, for the sake of completion, here we go.
There is a quest in ESO were a Bosmer tribe poisoned themselves before battle during a war with another tribe so that when the winning tribe would follow the meat mandate and eat the fallen, they would poison themselves and die as well.
Argonians, while not unaffected by poison, have consistently shown a much higher tolerance to it to the point that an Argonian might survive what would be lethal to any other race.

EvilAutoTech · February 2020

Other

butterrum222 wrote: »

Bosmer should be able to eat other players as part of their passives as described in the Meat Mandate

I like this. Tiny Mancer (my newest character) could literally consume corpses.

hakan · February 2020

Here is my take on the issue.

Woodelf: Stealth reduc radius and faster stealthing time.

Khajiit: Stealth reduc radius and attack bonus from stealth.

or instead attack bonus, you can add stealth speed? maybe add att bonus to dunmer or argo?

Ratzkifal · February 2020

No

hakan wrote: »

Here is my take on the issue.

Woodelf: Stealth reduc radius and faster stealthing time.

Khajiit: Stealth reduc radius and attack bonus from stealth.

or instead attack bonus, you can add stealth speed? maybe add att bonus to dunmer or argo?

It could certainly work like that, just not the bonus damage from stealth because that's what ZOS wanted to get rid off in the first place.
Back when we had our 90 page thread we discussed that possibility but we ultimately decided against movementspeed bonus in stealth and faster stealthing because that would invade on the vampire's territory and we didn't want anyone to feel nerfed by our proposal.
The important thing is that Bosmer as well as Khajiit get to keep their stealth, anything beyond that is just icing on top.

But while we're on the topic, I'd be all for adding stealth radius to Dunmer and Argonians! Open the system more instead of closing it down, provided none of these races lose anything. In the case for Dunmer it would shape their identity more than to just be a mix of Orc and Altmer racials by having something that is truly their own other than fire resistance.

The idea already came up a few times and because it would create a bit of an imbalance with EP and AD having better stealth than DC we thought that Orcs could get detection for free to be the counter in PvP - without giving anything up for it of course. There is even some lore supporting it as Woodorcs have learned to be more aware of their surrounding because of the Bosmer stealing their stuff all the time.

Jaraal · February 2020

Other

According to the lore, both are stealthy, and Bosmer should never have been changed. Stealth detection is useless, buggy ,and undesirable. Neither race should have to spend skill points on garbage.

max_only · February 2020

Other

We aren’t here to punish Khajiit players. We are here to get the stealth Bosmer have had for 25 years. Including the 5 years in this game that we purchased.

Shardaxx · February 2020

Both should have it, they should have jiggled the other racial skills a bit if they wanted to make them more distinct but leave stealth for both its more lore friendly.

Opalblade · February 2020

Other

Both should have stealth.

Also give argonians back their poison resist *cough*

MellowMagic · February 2020

Other

Both should have stealth, bosmer should have stealth detect aswell if they want them to be different, it's barely useful anyways.

Cundu_Ertur · February 2020

No

Opalblade wrote: »

Both should have stealth.

Also give argonians back their poison resist *cough*

Why the stiketrhu? You have it right.

Opalblade · February 2020

Other

Cundu_Ertur wrote: »

Opalblade wrote: »

Both should have stealth.

Also give argonians back their poison resist *cough*

Why the stiketrhu? You have it right.

Idk I just thought it would be funny. Seems like a lot of people complain about bosmer passives, but I only ever see a few complaining about argonian passives. We want our passives to be lore-friendly too!

Cundu_Ertur · February 2020

No

In almost all of the Bosmer stealth threads someone (sometimes me, but not always) also brings up Argonians.

Synaki · February 2020

Other

Such a dumb poll/choice. While having no stealth bonus is not cool for Bosmer, it would be equally bad for Khajiit.

Kelces · February 2020

Other

Even though I can imagine it being quite logical for both races as potentially skilled trackers to be able to locate something stealthy better than others. However in practice, as stated before a lot, you barely get anything from it...

snoozy · February 2020

Yes

make bosmer stealthy again but don't take it away from khajiit!! wtf?????

Salix_alba · February 2020

Yes

while both are supposed to be good hunters the khajiit might be quiet but they are not always small and hard to notice like the bosmer. who are both stealthy and really tiny most of the time.
If the playable khajiit furstock was the Dagi or Dagi-raht then maybe the stealthy passive would make more sense.

The in-game playable khajiit are Cathay which are human sized at their shortest they still seem taller than the tallest bosmer so they should be more easily noticed and their fur patterns shouldn't count unless they are naked.