What's your opinion on Battlegrounds becoming solo queue only?

TequilaFire · February 2020

I am just going to miss the occasional lfg for some battlegrounds with friends in my PvP guild.
Not that we planned for or always group perfect group composition it was just something different and fun to do as a break from Cyrodiil. Always loved it when we came across another good group.
Oh well they may as well turn it into a Battle Royale now.

Grandesdar · February 2020

I love it, honestly. I didn't know they planned to change it. But now I'm interested in PvP after years. Because you see, if you wanted to have fun with your friends, you could always go to Cyrodiil etc. But going solo against pre-made of PVP vets is not something I ever enjoyed. I didn't enjoy being plus one to a 3-men pre made either. It just takes all the fun away. No other game does it.

mav1234 · February 2020

Grandesdar wrote: »

I love it, honestly. I didn't know they planned to change it. But now I'm interested in PvP after years. Because you see, if you wanted to have fun with your friends, you could always go to Cyrodiil etc. But going solo against pre-made of PVP vets is not something I ever enjoyed. I didn't enjoy being plus one to a 3-men pre made either. It just takes all the fun away. No other game does it.

what game with instanced pvp does not allow you to queue at all with a friend? lots of them do...

not all of us enjoy cyrodil, where 2 people are easily overwhelmed by the huge zergs out there... or the server is totally dead in the case of no cp outside of prime time...

Kidgangster101 · February 2020

Grandesdar wrote: »

I love it, honestly. I didn't know they planned to change it. But now I'm interested in PvP after years. Because you see, if you wanted to have fun with your friends, you could always go to Cyrodiil etc. But going solo against pre-made of PVP vets is not something I ever enjoyed. I didn't enjoy being plus one to a 3-men pre made either. It just takes all the fun away. No other game does it.

@Grandesdar

Please name 5 other mmo games that don't let you play a group oriented mode with a friend/friends? I'll wait.

Btw how is it solo que if the team that stays together and plays how the game mode was intended to play wins while the "solo" players still wander off alone and die?

wild_kmacdb16_ESO · February 2020

I know my enjoyment will increase as a solo queuer, but there really should be a group vs group queue.

Schokolade · February 2020

Grandesdar wrote: »

I love it, honestly. I didn't know they planned to change it. But now I'm interested in PvP after years. Because you see, if you wanted to have fun with your friends, you could always go to Cyrodiil etc. But going solo against pre-made of PVP vets is not something I ever enjoyed. I didn't enjoy being plus one to a 3-men pre made either. It just takes all the fun away. No other game does it.

ehm, no (?)

I can understand that you do very little pvp, but Cyro and Btg are completely different.
Often I play with my Gf, a sort of pre made of 2, almost never of 3 or 4, so I understand the "frustation" of be wiped from full premade.

BUT all games (MMO) are the same, if you have friends and comunication then you have an advantage.
NOBODY is stopping you from doing that.

It is an Online game for god sake, if I wanna play with friends I should be able to do that ( I play Btg often, and I have to play against my friends/Gf?? Ah-Ah no).

Possible solution? Create separate queue for solo and team.

What's next? No group for Trials?

#RIPbtg

Plot twist:

Many times a group seems a pre made, but it's just a good random group vs bad random, so you'll die anyway in future

Irfind · February 2020

Schokolade wrote: »

It is an Online game for god sake, if I wanna play with friends I should be able to do that ( I play Btg often, and I have to play against my friends/Gf?? Ah-Ah no).

Uhm why not ? I play against my husband per rng quit often ? We even discuss what he or i can do better next time

Its all about preferences.

Schokolade wrote: »

Possible solution? Create separate queue for solo and team.

That wouldnt help, usually a 2 man premade cant do something against a 4 man premade.
But i agree 2 queues would be better.

Schokolade wrote: »

What's next? No group for Trials?

Why not ? Im all in for a Storymode (solo) other MMOs have something similar 🙄

Kaxxi · February 2020

Don't allow prermade group. i love this changed. no more premades vs 4 random. keep up great work

partyhead · February 2020

I like that queuing as group won't be possible again so I can maybe actually win again.

Sadly I probably have to give up on the achievement "Chaos Champion" because almost everyone I know got it from being with 3 pre made groups in one battleground instance so I hope they will lower the damage needed

Qbiken · February 2020

partyhead wrote: »

I like that queuing as group won't be possible again so I can maybe actually win again.

Sadly I probably have to give up on the achievement "Chaos Champion" because almost everyone I know got it from being with 3 pre made groups in one battleground instance so I hope they will lower the damage needed

@partyhead
I got it through solo queuing, but you need a "perfect game" in order to have a chance to get the achievment. You need:

* Two enemy teams of equal skill. If one team dominates the entire BG you won´t have enough time to deal enought damage to the ball carrier(s). These teams should consist of preferably 3 tanky healbots and 1 damage dealer.

* Your team should consist of something similar, where you become the main damage dealer. You need to have a team that can help you stay alive for as long as possible.

* You need to make sure that both enemy teams carry the ball equally as much, while trying to prevent your team from picking up the ball. This can be a difficult one because not many people give two flying F´s about you and your desires to get achievments. When I got it, I even let the enemy team pick up the ball in order for me to continue to do damage to them.

* If you want to make Life easier for yourself, get as many damaging proc-sets as you can. This is by far the easiest way to accumilate damage.

* In low MMR games you will most likely never get this achievment, since you´re very dependent on what team composition your enemy team has.

I don´t think the damage requirement needs to change, but damage vs shielded targets who carries the ball needs to count as well (which it doesn´t).

Schokolade · February 2020

Irfind wrote: »

Uhm why not ? I play against my husband per rng quit often ? We even discuss what he or i can do better next time
Its all about preferences.

Because "One person's freedom ends where another's begins"; nobody is stopping you from play with or against your friend/husband now, but after this upgrade I cannot choose to play with.

I know the "problem" with only 2 queues, but at least I can choose - still better solution then: remove all premade in an Online game.
note: their job is to find a nice solution, but here we are with our ideas and their approximative method.

For the trial part it was my fault, I meant no premade* group for trials, only random. I'am also all in for a nice Storymode, but even here I think they should give the possibility to do it solo or with friends.

For all the: "Don't allow premade group" I've already said all with my previous comment.

A lot of people will still die and be bad in future, because the problem isn't often the premade (:

partyhead · February 2020

Qbiken wrote: »

partyhead wrote: »

I like that queuing as group won't be possible again so I can maybe actually win again.

Sadly I probably have to give up on the achievement "Chaos Champion" because almost everyone I know got it from being with 3 pre made groups in one battleground instance so I hope they will lower the damage needed

@partyhead
I got it through solo queuing, but you need a "perfect game" in order to have a chance to get the achievment. You need:

* Two enemy teams of equal skill. If one team dominates the entire BG you won´t have enough time to deal enought damage to the ball carrier(s). These teams should consist of preferably 3 tanky healbots and 1 damage dealer.

* Your team should consist of something similar, where you become the main damage dealer. You need to have a team that can help you stay alive for as long as possible.

* You need to make sure that both enemy teams carry the ball equally as much, while trying to prevent your team from picking up the ball. This can be a difficult one because not many people give two flying F´s about you and your desires to get achievments. When I got it, I even let the enemy team pick up the ball in order for me to continue to do damage to them.

* If you want to make Life easier for yourself, get as many damaging proc-sets as you can. This is by far the easiest way to accumilate damage.

* In low MMR games you will most likely never get this achievment, since you´re very dependent on what team composition your enemy team has.

I don´t think the damage requirement needs to change, but damage vs shielded targets who carries the ball needs to count as well (which it doesn´t).

Jeh I'll keep trying and hoping for the perfect teams I guess and ty for the info.
Still feels to me right now like hardly anyone will get it

TheFM · February 2020

Iskiab wrote: »

TheFM wrote: »

Aedrion wrote: »

This will change nothing. Noobs will still get crushed by better players and continue complaining.

This will only destroy fun for small-scale groups that tire of Cyro lag and log BG's. Instead, now they'll log off. I know I will.
Whoever designed this change either didn't consider the many alternatives or didn't care. I don't know which is worse.

"small scale " , you mean zergs that dont like calling themselves zergs?

Not all but most yea. For some reason people think they’re ‘small scale’ if they run in 20 groups of 4 and faction stack.

Or in pc EU no cps case cross faction and 4 groups of 6

Toc de Malsvi · February 2020

Just dropped in to ask why there aren’t Natch Potes?

I don’t know if I’m just missing something but it seems 5.3.3 was posted a week ago and I don’t even see a thread for 5.3.4 or a Natch Potes thread?

Haven’t been playing in awhile but I still drop by to read changes.

Sharee · February 2020

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Just dropped in to ask why there aren’t Natch Potes?

I don’t know if I’m just missing something but it seems 5.3.3 was posted a week ago and I don’t even see a thread for 5.3.4 or a Natch Potes thread?

Haven’t been playing in awhile but I still drop by to read changes.

From the 5.3.3 patch notes:

The Elder Scrolls Online v5.3.3 is the final PTS patch before the Harrowstorm DLC launches on PC/Mac on February 24, and for Xbox One and PlayStation 4 on March 10.

I remember reading somewhere that this is because they have to prepare for the "whole client redownload" event, so there are fewer PTS patches than usual.

juhislihis19 · February 2020

Fun fact from yesteday:

Queued for random BG last night, got into a deathmatch. Popped in the purple team, I was the only one in our team and the 45s clock started running down.

Well, when the BG started I was ALONE in my team, other two teams both had 4 players. Cool. So 1 vs 4 vs 4. Cooool.

I got my 3 team mates when the score was 270 - 45 - 0. Me being the zero. We actually ended up winning 505 - 480 - 240 (lol) but how can this happen? How can the BG start when one team has one player in it and others are full?

Deathlord92 · February 2020

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

My opinion is that it will be great!

Yeah bgs may actually be fun again lol getting pre mades every game kind of killed bgs for me

Kidgangster101 · February 2020

Deathlord92 wrote: »

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

My opinion is that it will be great!

Yeah bgs may actually be fun again lol getting pre mades every game kind of killed bgs for me

"Premades" killed BG for you, so what will be the reason people blame next when a team of all randoms play the game mode like intended and stay together? Or some randoms have you know, use their headset and communicate with each other because they are smart and know it is a team mode not a "solo" mode?

I just don't get it and this will definitely drive more people away than it will bring more in further killing BG. (I don't play in a premade I just play duo with my wife) and now that option is gone in a MMO..... Think about it even games like call of duty or fornite or for that matter any other game doesn't even explore this option because they know it.will kill the game lol.

Please someone name 5 games to ever ban group play in a MMO or even any other game that allows you to play with others. I'll continue to wait because no one can show one (especially one that exists now and didn't die from trying something this terrible) lol

thadjarvis · February 2020

[/quote]There is only so much a MMR system can do.

If you have a couple dozen of players in the pool, and only four of them are in a high MMR premade, what do you do? Let them sit on their hands all night? Sooner or later, you have to let them play, and then they will proceed to wipe the floor with any pug they encounter.[/quote]

That's true but if you remove the 4 in the premade (not permit them at all) you have 8 that would have to wait for 4 more players. The wait time would still be there. I think an extreme illustration of what some are pointing is you can allow the premade but hard exclude them from facing 8 newbies through MMR. Though MMR properly designed can in effect create mulitple queus in a gradient.

The quality of gameplay in an MMR system depends on at least 3 elements:

MMR's system's accuracy in representing player ability
Wait times the playerbase is willing to accept
Number of players in the system

If the quality is good then people would wait longer and more would be in the system, but the quality has to rise FIRST. Making a solid MMR system just seems to be a no brainier as it can only help. Like others have said just copy someone else's.

I have a 20% hope that this solo thing is temporary in order to test a new good MMR system, populate it with data, and then later re-open BG to all.

Sharee · February 2020

thadjarvis wrote: »

There is only so much a MMR system can do.

If you have a couple dozen of players in the pool, and only four of them are in a high MMR premade, what do you do? Let them sit on their hands all night? Sooner or later, you have to let them play, and then they will proceed to wipe the floor with any pug they encounter.

That's true but if you remove the 4 in the premade (not permit them at all) you have 8 that would have to wait for 4 more players. The wait time would still be there.

Even if we assume none of the 4 from the premade would ever queue as a solo, the game could still take the 8 newbies and create a 3 vs 3 vs 2 match. It does not have to wait for 4 more. And only 1 more is needed for a fully balanced game of 3v3v3.

thadjarvis · February 2020

Sharee wrote: »

Even if we assume none of the 4 from the premade would ever queue as a solo, the game could still take the 8 newbies and create a 3 vs 3 vs 2 match. It does not have to wait for 4 more. And only 1 more is needed for a fully balanced game of 3v3v3.

Indeed thought about that too but kept it simple. Same thing an MMR can seperate the 4 in the pre-made away. You can design a MMR with hard limits. Eg 0-100 ratings....system can simple straight block a 80-100 group of four from joining a game of with solo's in the 50s. You don't need to ban the pre-mades completely, but simply restrict the group matching, which will yes increase wait times. But the wait time for a pre-made next week is well infinite as it's impossible.

A good MMR would be reasonably thought out but allow for simple learning to hone in what restrictions and grouping algorithms should be. It's not rocket science. System wouldn't be good at first. Make several games, analyze aggregates data, and adjust variables to increase more balanced game results.

Deathlord92 · February 2020

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

My opinion is that it will be great!

Yeah bgs may actually be fun again lol getting pre mades every game kind of killed bgs for me

"Premades" killed BG for you, so what will be the reason people blame next when a team of all randoms play the game mode like intended and stay together? Or some randoms have you know, use their headset and communicate with each other because they are smart and know it is a team mode not a "solo" mode?

I just don't get it and this will definitely drive more people away than it will bring more in further killing BG. (I don't play in a premade I just play duo with my wife) and now that option is gone in a MMO..... Think about it even games like call of duty or fornite or for that matter any other game doesn't even explore this option because they know it.will kill the game lol.

Please someone name 5 games to ever ban group play in a MMO or even any other game that allows you to play with others. I'll continue to wait because no one can show one (especially one that exists now and didn't die from trying something this terrible) lol

Don’t think group play should be banned just add a solo option I don’t want to have to sweat my balls of every game it just isn’t fun.

FlawlessXD · February 2020

Are we going live with solo queues? I'm confused.

Fawn4287 · February 2020

Exactly what Bgs needed, there is such a small playerbase that it makes no sense allowing premades when they will get in and verse a whole lobby of solo queue players in most MMR games, they can try with all the fancy matchmaking systems they like but when theres theres 14 people In total queuing for a game including your 2 necro harmony bombers, 2 magplar nova healers, it kind of makes the 113 cp snipe nightblade going 0-17 feel a bit like never, ever playing bgs again.

Minyassa · February 2020

It's making BGs completely off limits to me and to the several couples I know who only play with their spouses/partners. I wasn't interested in PvP in this community solely for the sake of PvP. I was only interested in playing a team game with my friends. It's been reduced to just an AP farm and I'm not even going to try to play that, I play this game with my best friend. Pretty much anyone who regularly plays with another person is being told by this update that BGs are not for them.

daveu69 · February 2020

I love the non-prem change! For grp play, there is still cyro/ic.

Karmen · February 2020

My opinion ?

Can't wait anymore for that.

Kidgangster101 · February 2020

Fawn4287 wrote: »

Exactly what Bgs needed, there is such a small playerbase that it makes no sense allowing premades when they will get in and verse a whole lobby of solo queue players in most MMR games, they can try with all the fancy matchmaking systems they like but when theres theres 14 people In total queuing for a game including your 2 necro harmony bombers, 2 magplar nova healers, it kind of makes the 113 cp snipe nightblade going 0-17 feel a bit like never, ever playing bgs again.

"Such a small player base playing a total of 14 people" so you mean to tell me that most of those 14 people run premades? [snip]

daveu69 wrote: »

I love the non-prem change! For grp play, there is still cyro/ic.

[snip] Group play in a MMO should not be limited to a horse simulation game to get in pvp plus in cyrodil there is seige and protecting/capping keeps it is far different then queing into a deathmatch or capture the flag or capture the relic...... And ic seems to be filled with zergs because a lot of people don't want to lose telvar stones.......... And plus there is all sorts of adds/bosses that get in the way of a 1v1 or a 2v2 or a 4v4....... This BG change is the worst change of this game to date.

[Edited for Baiting/Non-Constructive Commentary]

DaveMoeDee · February 2020

Good for me as I only queue for daily XP bonus to level alts. Probably a lame change though for people who are most active in BGs.

I assume this is only a temporary change though to fix the problems with 20 man teams porting in from Cyrodiil or trials.

IronWooshu · March 2020

I wish there was duo Q, I'm glad teams of 4 can't play anymore but now that its solo it cut off some fun for my girl and I.