Watched the whole video. Agree with many points. Lots of cursing, but understandable when you've experienced the frustration of decorating under the current conditions.

Now, the system is not unviable, it works. The main frustration I believe arises from a seeming lack of response to player feedback on the current conditions. The houses ARE too big for the current slot allowances. The furnishings ARE too demanding to create in game as opossed to buying them with crowns, which are also expensive.

Housing is a big part of the gaming experience for some of us, and from the player side, it seems all the investment is going into combat performance, which we understand is also an issue, but it seems to be getting all the attention causing the rest of the player base to feel unheard and undervalued.

There have been AMAZING additions to the housing system like furniture linking, undo redo, and visitor privileges. We just want to see more of that dedication to the housing community playerbase.

I personally would not say the housing system sucks, that would be a blatant lie as the system is amazing which is what has created the love of the housing community for it, and probably this video response. I hope ZoS can see that our frustration is born of love for an amazing facet of a wonderful game that seems to have been put on the backburner of development while all the other aspects of it are placed under the spotlight.

We know there are limitations to what can be implemented, and we understand we simply cannot have everything we wish for, but we also know there is room to improve upon and different ways to approach a problem. We have seen it with the group finder tool, with the combat balances, why is that not the case for housing? Why the simple response of unfortunately, there is nothing that can be done?

If the community has made it clear that the houses are too big for the current furniture limit, why would they make a literal village home? Are we being listened to? Does our feedback matter? Is housing being given the resources it deserves as a valid portion of interest to the playerbase?

Some people would just argue "oh it's all cosmetic so why does it matter?" It matters because cosmetics are also part of the game, just like combat, just like socializing, just like every other part of the game!

From what we've heard the furniture limiting is tied to performance, which is understandable, but surely it can be worked on just like the other game's systems are being worked on, as opposed to just leaving it for a lost cause.

Compound furnishings like table settings were a great addition to ease the pressure while increasing the furnishing detail acieved in homes. Can we look at more ways to ease the strain like this? Why must it be a hopeless cause? How would players feel if they just left combat as it is? They won't, they're working on it. We just want some of that love given to us too.

I wish big houses had the option for big furniture. I would love to do an Alice in Wonderland home with huge furniture, and tiny furniture. I think players could get really creative with a feature like that. I agree that some of the Notable Homes are just too big to furnish completely. Also, being able to mount would make getting around them much faster. Looking at you, Grand Topal...

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Not watching 20min video that felt long-winded after 5 seconds.. but housing is kinda useless for most players.

If it did not offer storage space and transmute/craft stations, I would never use or visit them and I suspect there are a lot more people like me than those who like to decorate.

I have free house with storage sitting near entrance, otherwise empty. I have some furnish but I am not going to spend time decorating. Even fishing is more fun.
If there was option with gold to buy pre-furnised ones or some option that does automaticly some kind of decoration, I would buy it but I would not use crowns for it, nor to buy houses.

It's definitely not for everyone; there are avid builders out there though that do offer building and design services in the exchange that you buy all the items. Basically they give you a list of furnishings you go out and buy them all place them down and from there they design the house. It's something you can walk into and enjoy visually but overall did not have to spend all the time fiddling with it.

I do disagree that much like outfitting houses play a big role in the games side systems and while there may not be as many "hardcore" house decorators out there I can assure you that atleast 65-70% of the playerbase decorates their own home in such a manner once they get far enough into the game. It's just not lucrative at low levels when leveling and getting gear is your main focus, but once you are sitting on 1000+ of every alchemy reagent, golded BiS gear, and don't like PvP there isn't much to turn to.

It would be a bad business decision to not give housing some attention and improvements at some point. Housing devotees are a significant revenue stream. They know that people will buy the crown exclusive homes and furnishing packs. They know you guys are buying from the crown store on a regular basis while you create your masterpieces. They know that every one of you is an ESO+ subscriber for the double furniture slots if nothing else.

Now I agree that combat and performance need to be the priority right now because they’ve put it off for so long. It’s so broken that it had driven many people away from the game altogether. They really needed to have taken it more seriously 3-4 years ago instead of focusing exclusively on new content.

But a lot of the money for those improvements has come from the housing community. You guys need some love too.

I severely disagree with the elitism that is "The people buying those large expensive houses are not housing people." Why? What constitutes a housing person? 3 Fully decorated houses? People who have 5 fully decorated Estates? People who enter competitions? That's just as disgusting a statement as people who say "Oh you aren't 810 so you can't be good yet." "Oh you aren't Rank 50 in PvP yet how sad." This is the kind of crap I really don't like seeing in something as far and wide creative as the housing system. If someone wants to spend $100+ on a in-game house to have it to show off to their friends then that's their business but don't go degrading them for it simply because they don't do what you would with it or to the same extreme.

On a lighter note in reference to Elara's video and what I personally have thoughts on.

Things I think that are far more manageable on Zenimax's end without knowing their internal structure. (Elara claims they need to hire people who just do housing but we have zero idea if they have already done that. It's not something they would discuss with the general public as knowing the housing community I would very much expect that group of employees to immediately be assaulted with requests and demands.)

1. Housing Streams need to be a thing; and they need to bring more of the housing developers on. More importantly we need not house tours but QA's, they need to actively hear thatif we can't increase the furnishing limit then what we would like to see in the form of furniture. To start with I'd love some not-crown-exclusive window fixtures that I don't have to mess with extensively.
2. Furniture Showcases of upcoming objects would be far more welcome than housing tours as one we get to see all the time in PTS and in-game, we can house tour whenever we want. We have zero information outside of datamined objects of what we might get come a new chapter/zone DLC.
3. Materials are far out of touch for what they give; I disagree that the plans are too sparse as there does need to be a market of demand in an MMO but man is it silly that this https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/murkmire-wall-straight/ takes one more heartwood than this https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/high-elf-armchair-backless-polished/ . Plans need to make sense when accounting for what they are getting and how many materials it costs; a wall should not cost me one more heartwood than a chair that's 1/10th it's size. (Elara Says This And I Agree).
4. Prices are far too high for what they could be among the micro transaction route. I understand that each house requires digital space and that can be pricey but I refuse to believe that paying $140 for an estate is what it costs to host that estate. I'm not a server administrator or anything but I've seen people host 100 gig+ minecraft servers for 20 bucks a month. The same goes for the furniture as in my opinion ZOS should be far more predatory in that aspect of the game; it should appeal to me to just... spend 5000 crowns to fully furnish my house. Instead it's 5000 crowns for maybe 100 items if I'm stingy on what I buy. 2-3 furnishings If I'm going for my aesthetic "ideal"; statues namely. (Elara Says This And I Agree).
5. Instead of asking for smaller houses I would instead like to just see larger furnishings. Maybe we start seeing "sets" of pre-made tables and chairs situated around each other; perhaps we see pre-decorated walls accents to cut costs on what I need to use to make my wall look nice. I personally have thoroughly enjoyed using Redguard and Elsweyr furniture to meet my wall accent demands and it's worked nicely for me. My main problem is courtyards always look so same-y as we don't have a variety of leaves on large trees and many of them are extremely expensive (hello 20k gold autumn tree in Wayrest yeah I'm talking about you.) Many more are crown only.

Anyhow thanks Elara for contributing your thoughts, continue enjoying your break.

ESO housing...

I feel, personally, like ZOS are just not listening to the housing community whatsoever. Yes I decided to 'take a break' but I feel so passionately about the housing peeps, and am obviously in daily contact with many of them, because they are my online family, as I have said before, and I do want to return to the game one day possibly, I love this stupid game, man haha! And seeing people upset about it is really not cool!

@Tigerseye is like the literal voice of reason, everything she says is what I would want to say but a million times better!

I think everybody has accepted that the item limit is not being increased, we accepted that when we were told a year ago... It's not even about the limit right now, it's about the houses that have that limit! You give us houses that are really huge, and when we say 'ZOS we want medium homes!' you give us another large home, but with 400 items! Like 'here! You wanted a medium home yes??? This home has 400 items, so obviously it is medium, yesssss?!?!' Noooo! It's not! Your item limits do not determine the sizes of your homes! The space does! And so really, your clockwork house was the only 700 item house you did right, work with that! That was the only huge house that is acceptable for its limit, weirdly also one of the most expensive... Not sure why...? Why?

@BomblePants weirdly for a Saturday night I wasn't drunk, but I have the flu and was on all kinds of medication, so yeah, I was probably rather blotted, honestly, but not from booze haha!

@Reverb exactly! The housing people (I hate saying that because I feel like most people are housing people?? You got a house? You are a housing person, yes? No need for an 'us vs them' mentality here, everybody has a deep passion for the game, or they wouldn't be on the forums talking about it) spend allot of money in the game and obviously do pay the bill for other areas, imo!

@bearbelly

@Kittytravel I am really very sorry if it came across that way and that is not how I meant it at all! I just meant that although, of course, people who are into housing buy the houses, because that is a no brainer, ofc they do haha! But they are fussier! They buy houses that they love! But people who are trying to show off will buy all and any house. Mostly, people who care about housing will buy what they love, which is generally a pretty shared opinion, we aren't all the same but we all see creative potential! But things that are overpriced and crap and defy all that we are standing for get purchased by everybody! And again, I am not dissing these people! They can spend their money however they please! It is nobody elses business what somebody decides to spent their money on, but I wont say that it doesn't affect everybody and the entire game, because it does! When some people are willing to fork out crazy money for homes that cannot be decorated, of course that affects the community! Greatly actually!

I was looking for other games today with housing, and 2 people over 4 pages mentioned eso, which surprised me, I expected more, but one said it was unique but expensive, yes, it is incredibly unique, and fun, and its why we fight for it, because we have such a passion for this game, the other was laughing a how people spend £150 on a pixel house. I laughed too, because it IS ridiculous! And they didn't even mention the cost of furnishings! Why are these houses so expensive? I would like a reason? Because, no offence, most are a model that already exists, and they just copy it... Why are we willing to spend £150 on that? I've done it myself more than once! I bought Mathiisen furnished with crowns because I thought I could use that stuff, not even realising the furnished version is a room full of about 20 beds and 30 tables... Thats another thing which I won't go into haha!

Honestly, my biggest gripe isn't even about the pretty baubles, its about functionality. If houses were more functional, more people would care. I would love more baubles if and when I return, but I personally feel like function is more important. It will make more people care and it would add so much to the game, but again, no changes in a year.

I am honestly so sad that no positive changes were mentioned, or that there was zero representation once again for housing. Yes, there are other areas of the game that need addressing, we get that, because everybody loves the game so much, and everybody wants other aspects to be wonderful too, it's not like housing people are all stood on a hill crying and not doing anything else! We do your other content! I have good friends who are in end game pve and pvp, and they like houses haha I am both a flawless conqueror and a former empress, I did both your pvp and your pve content extensively over the last few years, ZOS! You are the eso gods so just go and check mine and other housing peoples history! Tezzer was in end game trials too, look her up! It's not like I don't give two s**** about your other things too!

I don't say this to be a show off, I would never do that in a million years, I only tell you this so that you know that housing people do not just do housing, we aren't some weirdo group that do nothing else! We HAVE to do your other content to get furnishings. We do care about the game as a whole, and even though people hated your other changes, at least you tried to make them in the other areas of the game... A year with no changes to housing is just a kick in the teeth to the people who probably spend the most amount of money in your game. I am really sad that you neglected to make any changes in an entire year to an aspect of the game that YOU decided to implement. Yes, you are apparently working on it, but to make no changes whatsoever for an entire year, other than give even more homes that are too big, and basically tell us that you don't even know what is in the crown store??? We didn't even get any new furnishings with southern Elsweyr! it's very sad, really. I am so sad to see this.