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PVE: What class would you choose to play if there were no such thing as a "meta"?
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Ermiq✭✭✭✭✭
✭WardenNever ever cared about meta. I like how the class looks and feels, I play it.One of the two of us definitely has gone mad. It only remains to define whether this one is the whole world or just me.
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Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭WardenAs Warden is locked behind a paywall, I wonder if it will receive the representation, in this poll, that it otherwise would have done?0 -
Elwendryll✭✭✭✭✭
✭SorcererI've always played khajiit sorc. I liked the abilities and the theme more. I already don't care about the meta, I try things myself to get the best results with what I have.
I have to say I'm grateful, because over the years ZoS made stamsorc very good, and tanking on sorcs viable.
It was a wild dream to tank trials on my sorc, but this year my guild let me switch from DD to Tank in our core group.
In PvP I have a lot of fun, and great results, with an off meta build.
I just see no reason to switch for an other class (or even race), and if one day I want to start healing, I'll do that on my khajiit sorcerer too.PC - EU - France - AD
Main character: Qojikrin - Khajiit Sorcerer Tank/Stamina DD - since March 25, 2015.
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Langeston✭✭✭✭✭
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Um, who said they weren't?AgaTheGreat wrote: »Imagine for a minute that all of the classes were on equal footing and there was no clear "meta class" for any particular application. All of them are equally viable in their own unique way & they are all suitable for any role — the only differentiating factor is the class identity & playstyle. (Or as ZOS puts it: "Power Fantasy" & "Play Patterns.")
Which one would you choose, and why? (The poll wouldn't allow for more than 10 choices, so please specify magicka or stamina in your comment.)
Note: I've posted a PVP poll as well, since the answers may be different based on PVP/PVE, and some people only play PVP.
All classes are already viable for everything 🤨
The key word (that you omitted) is "equally".
If all the classes were equally viable for everything, there wouldn't be guilds that restrict what classes can and cannot join. (i.e. certain trials & PVP guilds.)
Thank you for your contribution though.🙄0 -
Langeston✭✭✭✭✭
✭You obviously forgot the "I don't give a freaking duck about the meta" option.
No, I didn't. As I stated, for the purposes of this question, there is "no such thing as a meta".
The question wasn't designed to determine if people base their class decisions on what is strongest, but rather what class playstyles are (or would be) the most popular if such considerations did not exist.2 -
essi2✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I haven't counted my characters lately... little would change probably."The Heritance are racists yes? Idiots. But dangerous, destabilizing racist idiots." - Razum-dar
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BisDasBlutGefriert✭✭✭✭✭DragonknightDual wield stamdk. I love to jump into the thick of battle and poison them before I chop them up.~There’s a positive in every negative. Sometimes the positive is harder to find than other times, but there is ALWAYS one there~0 -
agingerinohio✭✭✭I stopped following the meta. This game became waaay more enjoyable. I main a magblade with my own cp set up and builds for pve and PvP (bg and duel set up differ) I can solo most dungeons including dlc. As for PvP, I win some and lose some. At the end of the day, play how you want. You don't have to follow other people's build's aka the meta, to complete content in this game.1
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bearbelly✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭agingerinohio wrote: »I stopped following the meta. This game became waaay more enjoyable. I main a magblade with my own cp set up and builds for pve and PvP (bg and duel set up differ) I can solo most dungeons including dlc. As for PvP, I win some and lose some. At the end of the day, play how you want. You don't have to follow other people's build's aka the meta, to complete content in this game.
(pssst... do you know where Miamisburg is?)0 -
agingerinohio✭✭✭agingerinohio wrote: »I stopped following the meta. This game became waaay more enjoyable. I main a magblade with my own cp set up and builds for pve and PvP (bg and duel set up differ) I can solo most dungeons including dlc. As for PvP, I win some and lose some. At the end of the day, play how you want. You don't have to follow other people's build's aka the meta, to complete content in this game.
(pssst... do you know where Miamisburg is?)
I do know where that is actually lol0 -
bearbelly✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭agingerinohio wrote: »agingerinohio wrote: »I stopped following the meta. This game became waaay more enjoyable. I main a magblade with my own cp set up and builds for pve and PvP (bg and duel set up differ) I can solo most dungeons including dlc. As for PvP, I win some and lose some. At the end of the day, play how you want. You don't have to follow other people's build's aka the meta, to complete content in this game.
(pssst... do you know where Miamisburg is?)
I do know where that is actually lol
Umm, do you know where it is because you live there, or...
(Asking because I have a ginger friend in Ohio who lives in Miamisburg.
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Edit: Sorry for the temporary Off-Topicness.
Edited by bearbelly on February 16, 2020 2:50PM0 -
agingerinohio✭✭✭agingerinohio wrote: »agingerinohio wrote: »I stopped following the meta. This game became waaay more enjoyable. I main a magblade with my own cp set up and builds for pve and PvP (bg and duel set up differ) I can solo most dungeons including dlc. As for PvP, I win some and lose some. At the end of the day, play how you want. You don't have to follow other people's build's aka the meta, to complete content in this game.
(pssst... do you know where Miamisburg is?)
I do know where that is actually lol
Umm, do you know where it is because you live there, or...
(Asking because I have a ginger friend in Ohio who lives in Miamisburg. )
Edit: Sorry for the temporary Off-Topicness.
I only know of it because I had a photo shoot there (photographer IRL) xD Although I feel like all Ginger's in Ohio should know each other. Lol Especially if they play ESO. We could make a ginger guild.1 -
Raisin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I hate to give the same generic answer as everybody else, but yeah... the answer is all. I play all now in one way or another, and no meta or lack thereof changes that.1 -
Tommy_The_Gun✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Like any type of character design ? Werewolf NB.
Magblade blood mage transforming into blood & flesh thirsty Beast kinda makes sense and an badass hybrid imho. Magicka based in human form & stamina based in WW form.0 -
akdave0✭✭✭✭TemplarMy first Character is a MagSorc and I wish I could play her more, but I suck at DPS compared to the people I play with.. and it's not the META.
I also really loved to play her as Sorc Healer, wish I could do it again.🥰😭
Exactly me, I rolled a Templar to focus on being a apex healer. I have neurotic focus on only one character at a time. I will be in groups and people will ask if I can switch, and I say this is my only character, and everyone is yelling and razzing me about it. I can’t devote that much time to multiple characters.
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stevenyaub16_ESO✭✭✭✭Like most people here, I don't play meta class.
Every class can perform at end-game. Just some Godslayer/score runner type guilds make their members go meta. Those are super small portion of the PvE community.
Unless you are doing that, then I doubt you care about meta class. It's more important you enjoy the one you play, and if that means any class then good for you
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Kaartinen✭✭✭SorcererAll classes perform fine for end-game so I really don't have much of a preference.
I'll pick Sorcerer since people like to hate on them.0 -
Aznarb✭✭✭✭✭
✭Meta aren't that locked in ESO.
Everything is viable if you're good and know how CP/set/skill/race interact.My first Character is a MagSorc and I wish I could play her more, but I suck at DPS compared to the people I play with.. and it's not the META.
I also really loved to play her as Sorc Healer, wish I could do it again.🥰😭
Our MagSorc parse at 83k, more than enough to clear everything.
For the Sorc heal, just go, they're very good and easy to play.
You don't have lot of utility, but you can bring an insane concussed uptime with the right set - glyph - trait combo.
Don't nerf yourself, just go and learn Edited by Aznarb on February 16, 2020 7:52PM[ PC EU ]
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Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NightbladeThe term Meta is heavily over used in ESO.
Doesn’t it mean, ‘Most efficient Tactics Available’? Can you technically have a meta class? I guess leveling alts is easy enough switching classes is a tactic... probably the best tactic.Edited by Iskiab on February 16, 2020 7:58PMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten0 -
x48rph✭✭✭✭✭
✭TemplarI love my magplar/healer for PvE so I won't change that no matter what the current meta is.0 -
Danikat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TemplarHybrid templar (2/3 stamina 1/3 magicka) as a main and hybrid warden (2/3 magicka, 1/3 stamina) as a close second.
In other words exactly what I play now. I made my choices with no knowledge of, or concern for, the meta and have continued to play all my characters as I decided they'd be regardless of shifts in popularity with other players.PC EU player | She/her/hers | PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
"Remember in this game we call life that no one said it's fair"0 -
Danikat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Templar
I'm pretty sure that's a backronym.
Meta is a Greek prefix used in English to mean bigger, wider or 'self-encompassing'. For example meta-data is data about data and meta-populations are made up of smaller, semi-independant populations of the same species.
In this case it's short for meta-gaming, which is playing outside (or ahead of) the game. In normal gaming you put together a build you think will work and then react to what you encounter, trying to figure out how to use your build to beat it. In meta-gaming you find out in advance what you're likely to face and preemptively design your build to counter it.
It's usually used in PvP games to mean finding out what builds/teams/combinations are currently popular and then creating counters, which leads to a constantly shifting meta-game as other those counters become popular, then other people try to counter then, and so on. In PvE it generally involves players working together to figure out the best possible builds for each area of the game.
So you could have meta classes, either in the sense that the game is so unbalanced that they're harder to beat or can finish content more easily than other classes, or more specifically meta classes for each role - e.g. one might currently be the best healer (but usually only with the right build).PC EU player | She/her/hers | PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
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Starlock✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Dusk_Coven wrote: »For people who are here to roleplay their character (whatever depth of "roleplay" they are at), experience the story, be immersed in the lore... meta makes no sense.
It does, it just looks different.
Too often, people assume the most effective tactic available (meta) is within the context of competitive gaming (PvP and group-based PvE content in ESO). They ignore all other possible contexts. There *is* a storyteller's meta (or a roleplayer's meta, if you prefer).
The most effective tactic available for the storyteller and roleplayer is to select skills/abilities/gear based on your character concept. There are very clear good and bad choices for that, but they look very different than either of the competitive metas. As an example, if you are looking to create a thief, sets like Shadow Dancer's Raiment (no sneak speed penalty - magicka based) and Night's Silence (no sneak speed penalty - stamina based), are clearly excellent choices. Similarly, if you're looking to create a mage who specializes in a particular element, you'd do Dragonknight for a fire mage, Sorcerer for a lighting mage, and Warden for an ice mage. Can you make a thief that is crippled by the sneak speed penalty and somehow do a fire mage who isn't a Dragonknight? Well, kind of... but it definitely isn't going to be best-in-slot for the character concept. Sometimes that choice may be deliberate to represent something else about the character's background, though!0 -
d0e1ow✭✭✭✭NightbladeMy first class was a Nightblade because I alwaysl ike "rogues" in games. When I hit level cap and end game I realized that I would never really be able to capture the exact feeling I was looking for. Instead I was tossing traps on the ground and throwing spiky metal baubles everywhere and shooting arrows into the sky.
Re-rolled Templar and am much happier praising the Sun."Her mystery was as essential to her as savagery was to Boethiah or treachery was to Molag Bal. To understand Nocturnal is to negate her, to pull back the curtains cloaking her realm of darkness." - Sigillah Parate "Invocation of Azura"0 -
dazee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I would do the same thing I do now only enjoy it more cuz I can actually do well in high end content AND build a character I am happy with.Playing your character the way your character should play is all that matters. Play as well as you can but never betray the character. Doing so would make playing an mmoRPG pointless.0 -
Nestor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Meta, what is this Meta you speak of?
What works for one person, does not work for everyone. Play what you like, you will do better a d have more fun.Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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hasi✭✭✭✭SorcererMy first Character is a MagSorc and I wish I could play her more, but I suck at DPS compared to the people I play with.. and it's not the META.
I also really loved to play her as Sorc Healer, wish I could do it again.🥰😭
Our MagSorc parse at 83k, more than enough to clear everything.
For the Sorc heal, just go, they're very good and easy to play.
You don't have lot of utility, but you can bring an insane concussed uptime with the right set - glyph - trait combo.
Don't nerf yourself, just go and learn
I played Hardcore Endgame until lately(Too busy for it right now..), so the META was always desired. And I am not the best with Rotations, I could never reach 83k. It's not my thing although I actually like to DPS.😂😅0
