The Elder Scrolls Online

DocDova · February 2020

Getting gear is not that hard in ESO, only sometimes some specific dungeon piece might take some tries. Even monster sets show up on golden trader, I picked 3-4 velidreth headpiece without doing in on vet mode.

mocap · February 2020

i like to grind gear occasionally, but only solo. ESO is not that suited for solo grind.

Rave the Histborn · February 2020

Darkstorne wrote: »

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Not sure what the issue is here - I've had to do some sort of "grinding for gear" in every MMO I've ever played. How hard that grinding is (and what kind of grinding it is) varies by MMO & level of gear (crafted/world/dungeon/raid), but it's still a basic part of the genre. /shrug

Yet another creatively bankrupt "This is how MMOs have always worked, so this is how MMOs should always work" response on these forums...

I value my time. I appreciate games that value my time. BoE sets follow supply/demand metrics, and dungeon sets will always be rarer than overland sets. Making dungeon sets BoE would provide a fantastic way to make extra gold for those who enjoy the grind, and provide a much more enjoyable game for those that don't. It's win/win.

If you valued your time you wouldn't be playing an MMO though XD

For real though, thanks for your idea of making dungeon sets BoE and ripping on that other guy for having an unoriginal idea. No one has ever had that idea in an RPG ever. It would provide a lackluster way to make extra gold as all of the sets you think are going to sell don't! If you don't enjoy the grind I can understand but there's a lot of other genres of games to play out there that have more instant gratification. MMOs are not that genre though

gatekeeper13 · February 2020

I like grinding in general, its the "salt" of enjoying a game. But I hate grinding as it is in ESO. The rng algorithm as is it designed right now makes it more annoying than enjoyable.

70+ times SS. 0 FGD Inferno staff. (around 10+ lightning)
50+ MoL. 0 Alksoh Lightning staff.
Hours and hours of grinding in Deshaan. 0 MS Inferno staff.
Hundreds of keys spent in coffers. 0 Valkyn Arm Cops.

And I ve heard of people who have done CoA 200+ times and never got the BSW Inferno while I got it 4 times.

I was almost ready to give up farming vMA but today got Crushing Wall staff (lightning, not inferno, still better than nothing)

Tigerseye · February 2020

No and that is why I still haven't done it.

Tigerseye · February 2020

Rave the Histborn wrote: »

Darkstorne wrote: »

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Not sure what the issue is here - I've had to do some sort of "grinding for gear" in every MMO I've ever played. How hard that grinding is (and what kind of grinding it is) varies by MMO & level of gear (crafted/world/dungeon/raid), but it's still a basic part of the genre. /shrug

Yet another creatively bankrupt "This is how MMOs have always worked, so this is how MMOs should always work" response on these forums...

I value my time. I appreciate games that value my time. BoE sets follow supply/demand metrics, and dungeon sets will always be rarer than overland sets. Making dungeon sets BoE would provide a fantastic way to make extra gold for those who enjoy the grind, and provide a much more enjoyable game for those that don't. It's win/win.

If you valued your time you wouldn't be playing an MMO though XD

Yeah, you would, you would just be picky about what you do in them and only do what you feel like doing.

MajThorax · February 2020

Yes, I like grinding and grindr.

Nerouyn · February 2020

Don't do and never will.

Regular gear serves well enough for regular content. I don't pvp and I'm not into ESO's dungeons.

Inventory space is limited. Gear sets offer nothing interesting. And they take of tonne of time and effort to acquire.

goldCoaster · February 2020

Yes. Grinding and inventory management are my 2 favorite things to do in RPGs.

What do you call a game that has no grinding? A movie.

ayu_fever · February 2020

i enjoy the grind and farming. it keeps me engaged and interested.

BUT.....
after playing a few years i still havent seen a worm lightning staff or a jorvulds lightning staff 😆

Lumenn · February 2020

No one likes grinding. If you're specifically referring to ESO well, having played EQ from launch plus 10+ years (the game that demanded all your time to progress, at least until the MUCH more casual WOW came out) it's not that bad. Sometimes I think it's worse if I'm looking for a certain item and RNG is owning me like I slapped its mother, but most times it isn't bad.

randomkeyhits · February 2020

Shame its a binary poll.

The level of grind in this game on the whole is pretty low, I'd give it maybe 3/10 on the grind scale. A few bits are somewhat worse like VMA as its solo and a large loot table but even so, not that bad.

I take into consideration that gear is account bound, not character so if that must have piece dropped for an alt you just switch it across. Also in an instance you can swap gear with the other players for up to two hours later. Then take into account that apart from monster helms most everything drops in normal just at lower quality.

Sure, you need to invest time but that is the underlying concept of pretty much every MMO out there. If that concept offends you then MMOs are not for you.

Hotel6 · February 2020

This is how mmo works,I dont mind the grinding but I think it suppose to have a limit and with the rng ( chance for drop/useless traits) we have now it has far passed that limit.

Ermiq · February 2020

I voted "Yes", but it's not a grind for me.
I really like to do dungeons in ESO, every time I go to a dungeon I enjoy the visuals, the atmosphere and the gameplay. Moreover, since I always play in PUGs, every dungeon run is actually unique experience, with different tactics and variable difficulty. The same with PvP. I just play PvP when I feel like it, and it's never boring.

By the way, there're two different terms in MMO slang standing for repetitive actions: grind and farm.
Grind in ESO is when you level up in Rift by killing fast respawning zombies at one spot, or doing dolmens in Alikr desert. Grind is about very simple activities, very basic actions with no variation and a little effort.
But when you do dungeons and PvP to get some gear, you do farm, not grind.

phermitgb · February 2020

I can't imagine why anyone would *enjoy* grinding, when the alternative could be to...do other things, like fight, and quest, and RP, and, and and...

but, as far as it having a place in gameplay - I suppose it does - I just...think I could be doing other, more enjoyable things with my gameplay time

Danikat · February 2020

Nope. I mainly stick to crafted sets, although sometimes I end up with a set of dropped gear on a random alt just because I happened to get the right pieces while playing. (I like to fully complete a map before moving on, so I spend a lot of time in each area.)

A set would have to make a huge difference for me to spend the time farming it, especially if it came from a dungeon or something else where my only option is to do the same thing over and over, unlike overland sets where at least I can take a character around the map while looking for the right pieces. And since I don't do trials or vet dungeons it's unlikely I'll ever need the absolute best stats enough to justify the hassle of getting them.

Khaadrun · February 2020

Infixo wrote: »

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

Except the devs want you to play the content to get the sets... You have to play the game, shocking!
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Would you kindly explain WHY devs want me to spend time on activities that don’t bring them any money?
I have the content, I either bought it with crowns or I have eso+. They already got my money. It doesn’t matter if I spend 1 hour or 100 hour in a dungeon, or if I do a daily once or 100 times. It doesn’t bring ZOS any more money.

But they bring them money. For example, if you have the objective of farming the BSW firestaff and you keep running the dungeon untill you get it means you'll probably keep your sub untill you get it. And then you'll want another piece of equipment you feel the need to "grind" for. And so on and so forth. In the end the fact that you have to keep playing the game means you'll keep subbing. Thus the company makes money (indirectly) on you running and playing their content.

Indigogo · February 2020

Grind is something that gets ingrained in "old school" rpg gamers I feel.

You used to have to run around in mindless circles killing stuff for hours and hours until you leveled high enough to move on. At least that's my experience. I'm old. 😄

So yeah, I grind, I farm, I enjoy it and the satisfaction of finding that one special treasure.

hasi · February 2020

No fun.

As a Healer or Tank in PvE grinding is terrible, especially trying to get several Staves etc. of one Set from a Dungeon. And as everyone knows, those only drop at the Final Bosses.. RIP.

DDs have a far easier job there.

Cirantille · February 2020

I don't grind for any set.

Most I use are easily available ones.

In PvP it doesnt matter anyway, enemy dies before you, you are good.

In PvE best those sets give you is like 4-5k dps extra and the rest is how fast you push buttons. I pull about 40k dps which was enough to clear everything.

So I don't see any reason to run same things over and over again.

Tommy_The_Gun · February 2020

DLC dungeons are most problematic imho. If those were easier on normal or had a normal / vet solo difficulty setting (maelstrom arena level of difficulty), I would buy every single one of them lol (even if that would mean white gear quality).

essi2 · February 2020

It could be less RNG, but gear progression is the only progression left in ESO.

wowzerss · February 2020

I do like it. It's like mini gambling while fighting things. Exciting when a good piece drops.

Ri_Khan · February 2020

Hell no, stopped chasing that golden carrot a while ago. This is a fine example of how the over-tuned rng that's meant to force players to grind has led me to play less instead. If it was actually random it wouldn't seem too bad but seeing as how it's rigged to encourage indefinite repetition of content, it becomes an incredibly frustrating and unrewarding waste of time for me. Especially when there's a 99% chance that hot new gold set you finally completed with transmutes and all get's run over by the nerf train next month. FUN!!!

dennissomb16_ESO · February 2020

Really depends on what people consider a "grind". For me running dungeons, Cyrodiil, gathering mats etc. to get gear has always been about playing the game. Can RNG drive me crazy sometimes.... sure. I guess if I could simply buy/have any gear I wanted I would get bored with the game pretty quickly.

Loves_guars · February 2020

I don't "chase the meta" so I don't need to grind frequently, only when I make a new character (and sometimes I just use a set from another one). But sometimes I have to help friends to get their sets, and I actually think that the grind is well done compared to other MMOs. It's a bit repetitive to run the same dungeon but it can be fun, because dungeons in this game are super fun with friends.

kalimar44 · February 2020

Compared to the old days of EverQuest grind, this is a walk in the park. 😁

Vahrokh · February 2020

Most MMOs are made with so little content that they have to create massive grinds to stall players and keep them "engaged".

It's a crappy but effective way to create content, from WoW to any Korean grinder to ESO it's all the same.

"BUT BUT BUT MMOs are meant to be like that".

Yeah, sure, Sherlock, please take more of the koolaid, you simp.

Now, imagine if you went to the cinema and the movie lasted 20 minutes in total, but you had to jog around the room every 2 minutes before you could see the next 1 minute segment. Yeah, it would last like a full length movie, but you'd still have paid for a full movie and only seen 20 minutes.

Gilvoth · February 2020

No!
i Hate it.

albertberku · February 2020

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