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Burningspell weave fire staff
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kathandira✭✭✭✭✭
✭blacksghost wrote: »I know I have heard of a rare few instances of the staff dropping but it seems almost impossible to acquire. What is the actual drop rate? is it so hard to get deliberately because its recommended by Alcaste for the Beamplar? If its this low how the heck did he get one ???
I have a few of them. Grind Grind Grind!PS4-NA. Breton Templar Healer, Bosmer Stamplar, Breton Magplar, Orsimer StamDK, Dunmer MagDK, Khajiit StamNB, Dunmer MagNB, Argonian Warden Tank, Altmer Magsorc0 -
Kaartinen✭✭✭SidraWillowsky wrote: »I've never had it drop for me over hundreds of runs, both solo and with groups. I've seen it drop twice for others, who were both kind enough to give it to me. It's been the single most difficult to acquire item in the game for me-
vMA staff? Dropped for me on my third run.
vMA bow? Dropped on fourth run.
Elemental Succession inferno staff? i can't remember exactly when I got it, but it was within 10 or so runs
Mother's Sorrow inferno staff? I've found quite a few
It's absurd- BSW isn't even that great of a set for me. Maybe a MagDK or other class with flame buffs, but on a magden, Spell Strategist outperforms it by miles.
You obviously used up your luck in VMA.0 -
Nord_Raseri✭✭✭✭✭
✭After years of helping my friend farm for that staff, I picked one up on a daily random. Level 42...Veit ég aðég hékk vindga meiði á nætr allar níu, geiri undaðr og gefinn Oðni, sjálfr sjálfum mér, á þeim meiði er manngi veit hvers hann af rótum rennr.0 -
Nord_Raseri✭✭✭✭✭
✭It does drop, may the rng gods be with you.......or that rng daedric prince someone made up......looking at you @Saucy_Jack
The mighty, the Exuberant, the Omnipotent, the...Inebriated? Snugglorr the Magnificent! Made up?! What daring, what outrageousness, what insolence, what arrogance! Shame
Edited by Nord_Raseri on February 10, 2020 8:05PMVeit ég aðég hékk vindga meiði á nætr allar níu, geiri undaðr og gefinn Oðni, sjálfr sjálfum mér, á þeim meiði er manngi veit hvers hann af rótum rennr.2 -
oxygen_thief✭✭✭✭✭
✭game knows somehow that you need it and decreases a drop rate drastically. pretend that you dont want it at all and you will get a bunch pretty soon. ive gained a lot of bsw staffs in random dungeon runs but i really dont need it0 -
SORjosh✭✭✭blacksghost wrote: »I know I have heard of a rare few instances of the staff dropping but it seems almost impossible to acquire. What is the actual drop rate? is it so hard to get deliberately because its recommended by Alcaste for the Beamplar? If its this low how the heck did he get one ???
I finally got mine after about a year of trying off and on. Its a stupidly low drop rate, but it does drop.
Edited by SORjosh on February 17, 2020 3:29PM0 -
Saucy_Jack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nord_Raseri wrote: »It does drop, may the rng gods be with you.......or that rng daedric prince someone made up......looking at you @Saucy_Jack
The mighty, the Exuberant, the Omnipotent, the...Inebriated? Snugglorr the Magnificent! Made up?! What daring, what outrageousness, what insolene, what arrogance! Shame
Yeah I was gonna reply to Chaos but Raseri you summed it up pretty well ALL HAIL SNUGGLORR THE MAGNIFICENT, KING OF THE RNG AND NIRN'S ONE TRUE GOD! Also, become a Scrub-scriber! SJ Scrubs: Playing games badly to make you feel better about yourself.2 -
Mancombe_Nosehair✭✭✭✭✭work around the staff for the time being. I don't know what Alcast recommends as the second set, I reckon Mother's Sorrow.. that would make it a lot easier to get a staff without ruining your build.
This. I used the zone gear vendor in Cyrodil at the weekend (It's 5k ap a pop). Spent 250k ap and got 2 mother's sorrow fire staffs, one infused and one sharpened.1 -
Ratzkifal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The trick is not going there for one. I went there because it was a pledge and to kill those colossi and got an infused one in the end. :PThis Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.0 -
MEBengalsFan2001✭✭✭✭✭Bradyfjord wrote: »This is how rng works for all games:
If you want a thing, chances are it won't drop for a long time.
If you don't need/want a thing, chances are you will see it drop several times.
Hope this helps. Hope you get your drop.
Create a tank, run the tank through the dungeon. You are more likely to get gear for a role/build build you are not running.0 -
purple-magicb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭From my experience the drop rate is super low. I got one (I was fine with charged, I couldn't bear the thought of continuing to farm mindlessly for precise) but it took a long time. Like two months of running it 6 to 10 times per week. At one point I honestly didn't think it was gonna drop. It does but you gotta get on that hamster-wheel.Edited by purple-magicb16_ESO on February 11, 2020 3:41PMI don't comment here often but when I do, I get [snip]0 -
blacksghost✭✭✭✭I'm delighted to sat after 2 days solid opening CoA1 chests I finally got one!!! with a lot of help from @Blackjudas My hero!Everything will be alright in the end, if its not alright its not the end.0 -
Somewhere✭✭✭✭Exempting chests the final boss of both coa1 and coa2 are the only ones to drop it. The boss drops one of:
1 ring
1 necklace
1 bow
1 shield
4 staves (restoration, 3 destruction)
7 martial melee weapons (axe sword mace dagger, 2h variants)
This is all for 3 different sets. Each final boss drops 1 unique piece as well, neither of which is a BSW inferno staff.
You're looking for one specific item out of a possible 46 different drops. You're just as likely to find it on the first run as you are on the last run, but if you are farming a specific item you should expect it to take a while.
Anyone correct me if I am wrong, but I think this is right.
As for the comment relating to someone saying "we all know magic melee weapons drop more often" you're right. They do, obviously. Only 1 out of 3 sets is good for a magicka user typically. This means out of 9 different destruction staves that drop, only 3 are useful, and of those 3 people usually only want 1.Edited by Somewhere on February 11, 2020 8:59PM0 -
FrancisCrawford✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I got one long ago in a bad trait, and hung onto it until a transmute system was put into place.
However, it's a bit wasted on me now that staffs fill two item slots, in that I've never done VMA or a trial, and hence have nothing good enough to pair it with.0 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭blacksghost wrote: »I'm delighted to sat after 2 days solid opening CoA1 chests I finally got one!!! with a lot of help from @Blackjudas My hero!
What are coa chests?Edited by spartaxoxo on February 11, 2020 9:21PM0 -
ArchangelIsraphel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'm currently using a mothers sorrow staff on my necro, until I get my burning spellweave staff. To be honest, I like it so much that the spellweave staff may be relegated to my backbar rather than my main bar.PC l NA
Legends never die
They're written down in eternity
But you'll never see the price it costs
The scars collected all their lives
When everything's lost, they pick up their hearts and avenge defeat
Before it all starts, they suffer through harm just to touch a dream
Oh, pick yourself up, 'cause
Legends never die0 -
Kaartinen✭✭✭ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »I'm currently using a mothers sorrow staff on my necro, until I get my burning spellweave staff. To be honest, I like it so much that the spellweave staff may be relegated to my backbar rather than my main bar.
May as well run the MS and work towards your secondary trial set to accompany MS.0 -
Malmai✭✭✭✭✭
✭I deconned them like 20 pieces at least... That was years ago now i have to farm again haha...1 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I have pulled 3 or 4 from chests over the years. If you want a staff, chest farm on normal is your answer. Also, if you do run the dungeon, make sure you have a group loot addon and offer 6 figures if you see one drop for someone else. I don't even know if he remembers, but @Personofsecrets had one drop from a chest on literally the first day that a BSW farm was a thing (it was sharp, BIS at the time, and this was before trait change, so it was rare). I gave him 150k for it and he thought I was crazy. Haha0 -
ArchangelIsraphel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »I'm currently using a mothers sorrow staff on my necro, until I get my burning spellweave staff. To be honest, I like it so much that the spellweave staff may be relegated to my backbar rather than my main bar.
May as well run the MS and work towards your secondary trial set to accompany MS.
I'm thinking about doing that, to be honest, since my final build will use MS mainbar with crushing wall backbarPC l NA
Legends never die
They're written down in eternity
But you'll never see the price it costs
The scars collected all their lives
When everything's lost, they pick up their hearts and avenge defeat
Before it all starts, they suffer through harm just to touch a dream
Oh, pick yourself up, 'cause
Legends never die0 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »I'm currently using a mothers sorrow staff on my necro, until I get my burning spellweave staff. To be honest, I like it so much that the spellweave staff may be relegated to my backbar rather than my main bar.
May as well run the MS and work towards your secondary trial set to accompany MS.
I'm thinking about doing that, to be honest, since my final build will use MS mainbar with crushing wall backbar
This is exactly what you should do. BSW just isnt that compelling of an option to justify the farm it takes, especially if the staff will just be a placeholder. Julianos and Mother's sorrow will work just fine until you get the trial sets you are after.1 -
Dojohoda✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I hope you get one!Fan of playing magblade since 2015. (PC NA)
Might be joking in comments.
-->(((Cyrodiil)))<--0 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Bradyfjord wrote: »This is how rng works for all games:
If you want a thing, chances are it won't drop for a long time.
If you don't need/want a thing, chances are you will see it drop several times.
Hope this helps. Hope you get your drop.
people need to stop calling this rng, its not. Random means - well - random. These are not random they are weighted which completely destroys the idea that it is.
We have all see that melee magic weapons and stamina staffs drop at a much much higher rate than magic staffs and stamina melee weapons.
also the premier set in a dungeon and trial always seem to have a much lower drop rate.
What they need to do is make things actually - random and remove all the useless stamina staffs and melee magic weapons from the game.
March of sacrifices - the blood moon set does not drop a bow because bow does not process the buff. So they obviously do things like that even though a blood moon bow is needed if you dont have mael bow.
So please, its not random, its weighted drops.
100% nonsense right here. You chances of getting a BSW fire staff are no different than any other weapon in that particular loot pool.Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on February 11, 2020 11:12PM1 -
ArchangelIsraphel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »I'm currently using a mothers sorrow staff on my necro, until I get my burning spellweave staff. To be honest, I like it so much that the spellweave staff may be relegated to my backbar rather than my main bar.
May as well run the MS and work towards your secondary trial set to accompany MS.
I'm thinking about doing that, to be honest, since my final build will use MS mainbar with crushing wall backbar
This is exactly what you should do. BSW just isnt that compelling of an option to justify the farm it takes, especially if the staff will just be a placeholder. Julianos and Mother's sorrow will work just fine until you get the trial sets you are after.
@Oreyn_Bearclaw Thank you for the advice, I think I'll lay aside the BSW pieces I already have in favor of a Julianos/MS build with the Zaan head/shoulders I've already got.PC l NA
Legends never die
They're written down in eternity
But you'll never see the price it costs
The scars collected all their lives
When everything's lost, they pick up their hearts and avenge defeat
Before it all starts, they suffer through harm just to touch a dream
Oh, pick yourself up, 'cause
Legends never die1 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »I'm currently using a mothers sorrow staff on my necro, until I get my burning spellweave staff. To be honest, I like it so much that the spellweave staff may be relegated to my backbar rather than my main bar.
May as well run the MS and work towards your secondary trial set to accompany MS.
I'm thinking about doing that, to be honest, since my final build will use MS mainbar with crushing wall backbar
This is exactly what you should do. BSW just isnt that compelling of an option to justify the farm it takes, especially if the staff will just be a placeholder. Julianos and Mother's sorrow will work just fine until you get the trial sets you are after.
@Oreyn_Bearclaw Thank you for the advice, I think I'll lay aside the BSW pieces I already have in favor of a Julianos/MS build with the Zaan head/shoulders I've already got.
Surely, you might want a few other monster sets in there as well, but that is true of almost any build. Don't get me wrong, Zaan is BIS on certain fights if you can keep your nose on the boss (or you are humping target dummies), but on other fights, its basically useless.0 -
ArchangelIsraphel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Surely, you might want a few other monster sets in there as well, but that is true of almost any build. Don't get me wrong, Zaan is BIS on certain fights if you can keep your nose on the boss (or you are humping target dummies), but on other fights, its basically useless.
That's interesting to know, thank you. Though I have a general idea as to where I'm going with my end game build, I'm still learning, so the advice is helpful. Do you have any suggestions for which may be more versatile?PC l NA
Legends never die
They're written down in eternity
But you'll never see the price it costs
The scars collected all their lives
When everything's lost, they pick up their hearts and avenge defeat
Before it all starts, they suffer through harm just to touch a dream
Oh, pick yourself up, 'cause
Legends never die0 -
El_Borracho✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Nord_Raseri wrote: »After years of helping my friend farm for that staff, I picked one up on a daily random. Level 42...
Ouch. The RNG slap in the face0 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Surely, you might want a few other monster sets in there as well, but that is true of almost any build. Don't get me wrong, Zaan is BIS on certain fights if you can keep your nose on the boss (or you are humping target dummies), but on other fights, its basically useless.
That's interesting to know, thank you. Though I have a general idea as to where I'm going with my end game build, I'm still learning, so the advice is helpful. Do you have any suggestions for which may be more versatile?
@ArchangelIsraphel
Sure, lots of options. If you need to stay at range, something like Valkyn Skoria is a strong option. It gives good damage, and also gives you a health buff. Perhaps not optimal for pure damage, but the health can be nice in certain situations. Grothdarr is great for any AOE pulls. Like Zaan, you need to be on top of the enemy, but for trash pulls, it can be nice. If you are looking for something like a no death run, or if you are progressing new content, Iceheart can be pretty strong as it gives passive damage shields (i believe a nerf is incoming on this set). Other sets like Domihaus or Ilambris are also good for certain specs.
Another very compelling option is to actually mix and max sets. Especially in fights where you need to stay mobile, you could use two different monster sets that each give a 1 piece Spell Crit bonus for example.
Long story short, most monster sets are very situational. Zaan is certainly the best single target DPS for melee fights, but you will find that that does not describe every encounter. Realistically you are talking about roughly 3k DPS from you monster set, so while you dont want to ignore it, you also shouldnt wildly overthink it.1
