Temperature/s of CPU

eruexe · April 2014

Yo, I am running a FX6300 cpu, r9 270x gpu, none of them overclocked unless it came overclocked out of the box (AFAIK, the cpu isn't >:D). Anyways, so I was playing the game and I usually have micro-stutters, I saw various fixes like:

1) Closing the launcher after clicking "Play" - tried this and worked but for some reason stutters come back when changing zones.

2) unparking cores - still scared to do this, because I read it would make my CPU's temp go higher

3) setting eso.exe (or something) to high priority - scared to try this as well

and reading more topics I found that if you opened the usersettings.txt file in your Documents --> Elder Scrolls Online --> Live folder and changing this line:
"Search: SET RequestedNumThreads "-1" to: "SET RequestedNumThreads "0""
fixes the problem.

I have tried it and so far none or very seldom micro-stuttering, my question now is what does this specifically mean? and is this bad for my CPU, (afaik it relates to the cpu because of the word "thread"), I am no expert in specific parts of the computer but can someone tell me if this is bad when it comes to hardware?

Also adding a screenshot, this is my temperature/s after changing the settings.
I'm from the Philippines and it is seriously hot especially since its summer, so give or take lessen 1-3C

PS
I don't manually overclock, I don't have aftermarket cooling besides the one that came out from the box.

Harkrider · April 2014

If the number of threads you request exceeds the number your execution environment can support, your application will terminate.

I would not suggest changing that setting.

You can safely set eso to run at high priority, but do not set it for realtime. I wouldn't expect this to help your performance very much, but it's still worth trying.

Can you provide more system specs?

Do you have one or multiple GPUs?

Belrim · April 2014

The temps in that sceenshot are ok, nothing to worry about yet.

RinaldoGandolphi · April 2014

Don't do anything until you get those CPU temps under control!

CPU Core temp (the CPU Package Temp under hardware monitor) should not exceed 61c.

TMP1 is most likely the CPU Socket temp which will be 5-7 degree's C hotter then the CPU Core temp...AMD documentation states this temperature should not exceed 70C under any circumstances.

You pushing 59-60c just playing the The Elder Scrolls Online...that wouldn't stand 5 minutes in Prime 95 or any other intense program.

Are you using the Stock cooler? Are you sure the stock cooler is making proper contact and is seated correctly?

I was running an AMD FX 8320 8 core at stock with the stock fan and my temps never got as high as your 6 core is getting. This was under Prime 95 load.

If your using the Stock Cooler, I recommend either re-seating it with new thermal paste, or getting yourself a solid Aftermarket Cooler. An Arctric Freezer 7 Pro Rev 2 or a Coolermaster Hyper 212 EVO can be hand on Newegg for about 25 bucks...and will drop your CPU temps significantly...

You should NOT be getting temperatures that high just playing the TESO, I never got Temps that high with an 8 core in Prime95 even.

I am OC now with a Hyper 212 EVO, even still I don't get that hot.

If you don't have the money for a stock cooler, then I recommend undervolting that FX 6300....you should easily be able to undervolt from the the stock 1.35 volts down to 1.225V or somewhere close to that while keeping the same clock speeds, which should lower temps 5-6C under load which would put you put you at around 51-52C max CPU Core temp under load, and around 64-65c on the socket temp.

Until you get a better cooler, or undervolt I would keep a close eye on those temps. a 2-3 degree change in rooms temps could easily put you over the limit, and the CPU Throttling only goes so far...those chips are not designed to run at those temps...61C max Core or 70C max Socket temp, AMD says not to exceed that or you will damage your chip.

if you need any help, let me know, and I'll try and help.

eruexe · April 2014

@Harkrider - just one gpu. I set it to high priority but it still keeps stuttering.

@woodsro - i just got this 1 month ago. For aftermarket cooling I have no idea atm and I don't know a good one, liquid cooling seems to be very hard to maintain as well. When I return the settings I keep stuttering every few mins, I'll see if my temps change when I return the setting back to normal
Also here is the link for my cooling options. Note: $1=PHP45
If you do have any suggestions since the samples you gave aren't there

@belrim - i sure hope so

Yankee · April 2014

I liquid cool both CPU and my GTX 690. It is not hard at all to maintain, but is expensive to set up right. Plus you need to be careful after install to properly test for any leaks. Motherboards and water do not play nice together.

I love it because the computer runs so cool and quiet and I would do it again.

If you are on a budget though, just make sure you have good case airflow and a proper CPU coolng fan setup. The size you purchase matters if you have a small case.

Your GPU temp in the 70c range don't hurt, but I would not want the CPU running that hot. I am suprised you have had no protective thermal shutdowns. I have never had an AMD CPU so don't know the threshold.

Belrim · April 2014

The mentioned coolermaster is a good cheap cooler. Another good pick is the scythe katana4, its cheap too.

eruexe · April 2014

These are the only ones available for me afaik.

http://pcx.com.ph/peripherals/cpu-cooler.html

Strangefate · April 2014

I run a decent but not that awesome machine with most settings maxed out, 2 monitors and have no stutters, so maybe they come from someplace else ?

Background software or processes running that affect performance ?
I hate game optimizers, but razer's gaming app (forget the name right now) that shuts down some background apps when playing games has made a difference for me in other games.

The one time I had stutters in ESO was after an update, and the cause was some of the mods I was running, turning them off solved the problem, so I would try that too if you're using any.

good luck.

xondk · April 2014

Do you have any extra fans in your computer case?

If not, get some, good circulation is a must have with most any computer, make sure you have this, too many people forget it.

trooperrabbit_ESO · April 2014

The best suggested change in the comments is to swap for an aftermarket cooler and some good thermal paste.

Before purchasing an aftermarket cooler or modifying voltages in the BIOS, I would verify the following:

Make sure that your stock cooler is seated properly. Sometimes when installing a cooling fan or heatsink, I have had issues where one of the clips was not fully inserted, which led to incomplete heat transfer and a slowly rising temperature.
Make sure the stock cooler is exhausting, not blowing onto the chip. I read a post where someone had the fan inverted and it was causing significant heat issues with the FX-6300.
Make sure your PC is well-ventilated. By this, I don't mean necessarily installing new case fans - just ensure that your exhaust isn't blowing into a corner or against a wall. I always place my tower sideways against the wall with the case fans pointed outward.

If the above fails:

If you can, seat your GPU in the furthest slot from your CPU possible.
Check your RAM temps, if possible. RAM temperatures can sometimes interfere with the CPU temperature probe. If the case is not well-ventilated, RAM heat dump can also raise the temperature of the CPU significantly.
Do a quick Google search of your motherboard model to see if it has any reported issues with temp. probes.
Please post your PSU, Case, and Mobo models on here, along with PSU wattage.
Check the voltage (vcore) in CPU-Z while you have the game running, and post here.

Saerydoth · April 2014

Um, CPU's are usually good up until about 80C, and video cards are in theory good up to about 90C. I wouldn't want to run either that hot, but it shouldn't hurt them if you do.

That said, temps of around 60 while gaming are excellent and nothing to worry about.

RinaldoGandolphi · April 2014

Saerydoth wrote: »

Um, CPU's are usually good up until about 80C, and video cards are in theory good up to about 90C. I wouldn't want to run either that hot, but it shouldn't hurt them if you do.

That said, temps of around 60 while gaming are excellent and nothing to worry about.

Not for AMD it is not. The Max core temp on AMD cpu's is 61c. This has been confirmed by AMD Engineers on Reddit, The Official AMD forums, Tom's Hardware, pretty much any hardware resource out there. Socket temps will always be a bit higher then core temps, but the max Socket temp is 70C (which puts Core temp around 61c)

I really hope you don't let your CPU get 80c..Even the Intel I7 4770k CPU has a max temp of 72C (Tcase Max)...Check Intel's Ark page if you don't believe me

http://ark.intel.com/products/75123/Intel-Core-i7-4770K-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-3_90-GHz

80c is really hot....AMd GPU's are said to be safe to around 85C, but I don't let mine get above 80...anything below 80 is good.

61C temps while gaming on an AMD system is not good, it could fry his CPU or damage it causing it to fail prematurely.

RinaldoGandolphi · April 2014

trooperrabbit_ESO wrote: »

The best suggested change in the comments is to swap for an aftermarket cooler and some good thermal paste.

Before purchasing an aftermarket cooler or modifying voltages in the BIOS, I would verify the following:
Make sure that your stock cooler is seated properly. Sometimes when installing a cooling fan or heatsink, I have had issues where one of the clips was not fully inserted, which led to incomplete heat transfer and a slowly rising temperature.

Make sure the stock cooler is exhausting, not blowing onto the chip. I read a post where someone had the fan inverted and it was causing significant heat issues with the FX-6300.

Make sure your PC is well-ventilated. By this, I don't mean necessarily installing new case fans - just ensure that your exhaust isn't blowing into a corner or against a wall. I always place my tower sideways against the wall with the case fans pointed outward.

If the above fails:
If you can, seat your GPU in the furthest slot from your CPU possible.

Check your RAM temps, if possible. RAM temperatures can sometimes interfere with the CPU temperature probe. If the case is not well-ventilated, RAM heat dump can also raise the temperature of the CPU significantly.

Do a quick Google search of your motherboard model to see if it has any reported issues with temp. probes.

Please post your PSU, Case, and Mobo models on here, along with PSU wattage.

Check the voltage (vcore) in CPU-Z while you have the game running, and post here.

This right here is also solid advice. Check your heatsink, and apply new thermal paste 1st and see if that fixes the issue....clean the old off throughly before applying new paste....just put a rice sized drop on the center of the cpu and push down firmly and lock the clip...this will spread the TIM cleanly and less is more...don't put too much or it will raise temps....just a rice size drop right in the middle of the cpu is all you need...when you push the heatsink down and lock it, it will spread like its supposed to.

eruexe · April 2014

The fan is well.

My mobo is an msi 880gms-e41 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130652

PSU is Hexa 600W http://www.fsplifestyle.com/product.php?LID=1&PSN=614

Case is the Cooler Master N600 KWN1 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119298

Ram is GSkillRipjaws 4gbX2

GPU is ASUS R9 270X DC2 Top 2GB http://www.asus.com/Graphics_Cards/R9270XDC2T2GD5/

full fans, 2 on top of the case with one directly or around 1-2 inch higher than CPU, that blows air in.

The fan of the CPU itself blows air in the chip and I think that is how that is built.

I also deleted the usersetting.txt file so it can be refreshed so the temps with volts I post now are from default settings with some graphic options disabled.

I let the game run with HWMonitor in the background. Afaik, since purchase it has always been like this, no shutdowns have ever happened,

If ever you guys still insist I get an aftermarket cooler, I will admit that I know none besides the fact that I don't favor liquid/watercooling because of the hassle it gives when maintaining. I also don't know if my PSU would still accommodate it.

http://pcx.com.ph/peripherals/cpu-cooler.html

trooperrabbit_ESO · April 2014

@eruexe Woah, buddy! It looks like your CPU is overclocking here. From what I read, stock voltages (vcore) for FX-6300 are somewhere between 1.21v and 1.35v. If you have the FX-6300 Black Edition, it may be the Turbo Core technology auto-overclocking and thus the bump in voltage.

Can you check in your BIOS if AMD Turbo Core is enabled?

EDIT: Although 54C does seem reasonable for stock cooling. Did it climb higher before?

EDIT2: Link to a thread about Turbo Core decreasing a game's performance/framerate.

eruexe · April 2014

Ah yea. Its the black edition, actually I don't mind factory OC. However I have no knowledge in which cooling product is good in the link I posted.

Afaik it is enabled.

Thanks for the insightful click

eruexe · April 2014

I was looking into air cooling my FX-6300 and recently I saw that the CM 212X cooler was available and is one of the best air-cooling solutions out there. I don't plan to OC unless it came OC'ed, I don't tweak it but for since I live in the Philippines, its hot most of the time and I plan to at least preserve either my CPU or GPU, I trust ASUS's stock cooling on my R9 270X but the CPU for AMD one, I have doubts about it especially since I mostly game on this computer (Playing ESO atm and other releases this year).

My concern is will it fit since my board is quite small

Here is what my current mobo is:
MSI 880GMS-E41 FX

Also linking a picture of my current set-up:

My Current Case:
CM N600 KWN1

I am planning to buy this cooler:
CM 212X

I think I would hit my rams (the ones in red)

raglau · April 2014

What OS are you running out of interest?

eruexe · April 2014

win 7 ult 64bit

Smaxx · April 2014

Your CPU temperatures seem to be perfectly fine to me in your initial screenshot, especially with a boxed fan.

However, the mainboard temperatures seem to be a bit high and you might have to check your air flow in your case (some card possibly blocking it or some fan working in wrong direction?). If it's like 40+ °C outside, then those temperatures are okay though.

As for the game setting, this defines how many worker threads should be spawned.

Setting the value to -1 most likely means automatic, so the game tries to determine the proper amount (which obviously fails).

If you set the value to 0 you essentially disable multithreading for some particular part of the game client. If your CPU only has two cores, you shouldn't see any disadvantage due to this. Instead, you might even see your game performance to be increased.

However, I'd say a FX6300 should be powerful enough to run with multiple threads, so this confuses me a bit right now (unless I confuse the actual CPU model). What you can try is setting the value to one or two and then try again.

But overall, don't worry about your PC. All this setting might do is - worst case - crash the game. It won't damage your hardware (unless your cooling would fail and even then it should shut off before hitting any critical temperatures).

raglau · April 2014

eruexe wrote: »

win 7 ult 64bit

Do you have the AMD scheduling hotfixes for Win7 (these are native in Win8):

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2645594
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2646060

eruexe · April 2014

@Smaxx‌ - thanks bro, I was just starting to get OCD on all these temperature crazy stuff, well it is really hot from where I am, its always hot but its summer now so its almost twice as hot accdg to my iPhone its 33C but feels 40C.
- and yes you are right about the model FX-6300 black edition.
- as far as I know I am only missing 2-3 fans according to my case manual, which I didn't add because I didn't feel that it would still make a difference as well, but I might research into coolers and get one and a mech keyboard as well.

trooperrabbit_ESO · April 2014

I'm glad you're finding a solution! My friend actually has that same cooler (212x) It should fit but you may have to take out the mobo out of the case to put the adapter on.

eruexe · April 2014

Well. i need to ask the IT dude to fix cable management as well anyways since his stupid set-up sometimes turns the fan off. Also just found out about positive air pressure or something like that.

eruexe · April 2014

So basically I followed @woodsro‌ 's suggestion to undervolt my CPU

here are my temps, I forgot the ambient temperature in my room now but its quite cold because of the AC:

The picture with an edited black smudge is the one before I modified the Voltage.

eruexe · April 2014

This is the picture of the undervolted FX 6300 1.35V to 1.225V

eruexe · April 2014

@trooperrabbit_ESO‌ - and yes as far as i recall from changing voltage, it was on.

RinaldoGandolphi · April 2014

@eruexe I set you a message back, and I hope it helps answer some of your questions. As always, message me if you need more help!