Can someone from ZOS please explain to me why you've decided to completely ruin Nightblades?

TequilaFire · February 2020

Because the Sorcerer Illuminati wore out the forums until they got their way.

Iskiab · February 2020

I_am_Groot wrote: »

We've all heard from the nightblade crowd you're unhappy with the current situation with that class, if you're that unsatisfied with nightblades, then why not start just another class? Seems to me, you're unwilling (or unable) to adapt to the changes of the game.

Already have. In fact whatever class I choose immediately becomes a complained about class because I post my builds and can theorycraft.

What class do you play? I bet you I can tweak it so the nerf herders start complaining about it too. It’d be an interesting social experiment.

Kahnak · February 2020

Langeston wrote: »

xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »

Langeston wrote: »

xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »

Reyleigh wrote: »

Another NB whining thread ?
Enough of that, the class is OP for those that know how to use it

Agreed ^ nightblades need some buffs. I am however a bit perplexed by people claiming they are so bad when they are not.

My first character was a magblade and my second character was a stamblade. They are both still playing strong in Cyro. The only difference is there are a lot of bad nbs playing rn. I love it that NBs are no longer a casual class, as @Mayrael put it once.

Keep updated with your class. Make sure to play with good PvPers and learn from them. Being social and being known in PvP by your fellow players and with other dueling peeps helps a lot too !! If you put the time into the class learning it in depth it is worth it.

I do mean this in a good way OP.

Soooooo get out of your depressed state and go see for yourself....Cx

Good Luck

I'm sure they do just fine in Cyrodiil zergs, but that's not my bag. If you're on PC NA, hop on your magblade & we can group up & do some BGs together. You can show me how "OP" they are.

I play solo or with two others.

Well then your comment isn't particularly relevant or helpful. As I said, I mostly play in BGs — and in higher MMR BGs Nightblades are garbage (especially Magblades.)

If you’re not doing well that is on you. Then just complain on a forum that has other NBs that have no issue soloing such as myself.

1. I never said I don't do well, I said Nightblades are the weakest class. No one who knows what they're talking about disputes this.

2. Again, the fact that you "have no issue soloing" is irrelevant.

You then will end up staying where you are right now with your skill level and mind set GG

You have no clue what my skill level is. Like I said, let's queue for some BGs together and you can find out. Based on your perception of the class, I doubt you play in many high MMR BGs — if you queue with me you will, and I guarantee you'll see things differently. As far as my "mindset," I just want ZOS to fix what they broke.

This line I do mean this in a good way OP. OP means original poster

I know — I am the OP. You said you agreed with the post you were responding to, and that person said "...the class is OP..." My comment was referring to that.

"1. I never said I don't do well, I said Nightblades are the weakest class. No one who knows what they're talking about disputes this."

You said NB are the weakest class, but then proceed to backpedal when confronted with anecdotes about PvE and Cyrodil PvP to the point where you have to clarify that you are speaking almost exclusively about BG's. The distinction needs to be made, because NB are obviously not the weakest class overall. Otherwise you're just muddling the actual point by continuing to move the goalpost when someone challenges your generalization. The fact they are the weakest in a single aspect of the game does not mean that they are broken. Someone has to be on the bottom and it's NB's turn. You know what the rest of us do? Make a new class until ZOS buffs them again.

NB's: MY CLASS IS BROKEN. ZOS WHY ARE YOU RUINING MY LIFE!

Other Classes: First time, eh?

Deathlord92 · February 2020

nesakinter wrote: »

Reyleigh wrote: »

Another NB whining thread ?
Enough of that, the class is OP for those that know how to use it

@Reyleigh While the class is good for soloing in Cyro and farming noobs i.e. 1vX, it is a weak class when fighting seasoned players and can not face up against someone with the same skill level head to head, especially on tanky classes like stamden, stamcro, stamdk and magplar as it does not have the offensive kit to finish them off fast enough.

Yup very true m8

Deathlord92 · February 2020

We need a damage boost killing noobs is easy af it always will be but when I’m fighting a good player and there playing a templar stamcro stam warden I feel my nerfs heavily they can do me at any time I can put all my effort to get thm into execute range and they are easily able to recover especially stamcro with brp makes me very salty.

technohic · February 2020

nesakinter wrote: »

Reyleigh wrote: »

Another NB whining thread ?
Enough of that, the class is OP for those that know how to use it

@Reyleigh While the class is good for soloing in Cyro and farming noobs i.e. 1vX, it is a weak class when fighting seasoned players and can not face up against someone with the same skill level head to head, especially on tanky classes like stamden, stamcro, stamdk and magplar as it does not have the offensive kit to finish them off fast enough.

I can agree with this but not "woefully underpowered." I like playing mine but the health and healing stacking meta is bad for stam. They should really at least trade the silence for major defile back on the ultimate. That would help a lot in this meta.

Magblade is a bit worse as it has been since they nerfed the cost and healing it damage of its ranged spammable, nerfed cripple, and never gave anything on the melee spammable to catch it up to stam, although they sure nerfed the stam version to make it closer. I mean the speed bonus on it is nice and makes for fun builds, but it doesn't help the spammable as far as damage. Since it doesnt apply outside of stealth, it doesnt even help keep up with speedy targets to actually land a melee attack and meanwhile, mirage lost its major expedition and cripple doesnt root.

All and all though; I'd say outside of being able to harrass, they are behind

Shantu · February 2020

From a PVE perspective from someone who enjoyed NB's but wasn't particularly good at it, NB rotations were always a pain, but there used to be more of a damage payoff if you stuck with it to where you were fairly proficient. Since the whole system was gutted for standards, the payoff just doesn't feel worth the effort anymore.

PrimusNephilim · February 2020

Iskiab wrote: »

I_am_Groot wrote: »

We've all heard from the nightblade crowd you're unhappy with the current situation with that class, if you're that unsatisfied with nightblades, then why not start just another class? Seems to me, you're unwilling (or unable) to adapt to the changes of the game.

Already have. In fact whatever class I choose immediately becomes a complained about class because I post my builds and can theorycraft.

What class do you play? I bet you I can tweak it so the nerf herders start complaining about it too. It’d be an interesting social experiment.

Currently I main MagDK but I play all classes, I to have a Nightblade that I play on occasions as well. Before the Nightblades got the knife, Sorcerers were getting it, which is my point, the Devs will adjust classes as the game progresses. I happen to have all 18 toons on this account fully leveled up, when changes hit, I adjust my game.

This year, the Devs may hit the DK's and if so, I'll again, adjust my game, its what keeps it alive for me, always changing and never the same.
Good Luck! ~ Cheers

furiouslog · February 2020

Langeston wrote: »

xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »

Langeston wrote: »

xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »

Reyleigh wrote: »

Another NB whining thread ?
Enough of that, the class is OP for those that know how to use it

Agreed ^ nightblades need some buffs. I am however a bit perplexed by people claiming they are so bad when they are not.

My first character was a magblade and my second character was a stamblade. They are both still playing strong in Cyro. The only difference is there are a lot of bad nbs playing rn. I love it that NBs are no longer a casual class, as @Mayrael put it once.

Keep updated with your class. Make sure to play with good PvPers and learn from them. Being social and being known in PvP by your fellow players and with other dueling peeps helps a lot too !! If you put the time into the class learning it in depth it is worth it.

I do mean this in a good way OP.

Soooooo get out of your depressed state and go see for yourself....Cx

Good Luck

I'm sure they do just fine in Cyrodiil zergs, but that's not my bag. If you're on PC NA, hop on your magblade & we can group up & do some BGs together. You can show me how "OP" they are.

I play solo or with two others.

Well then your comment isn't particularly relevant or helpful. As I said, I mostly play in BGs — and in higher MMR BGs Nightblades are garbage (especially Magblades.)

If you’re not doing well that is on you. Then just complain on a forum that has other NBs that have no issue soloing such as myself.

1. I never said I don't do well, I said Nightblades are the weakest class. No one who knows what they're talking about disputes this.

2. Again, the fact that you "have no issue soloing" is irrelevant.

You then will end up staying where you are right now with your skill level and mind set GG

You have no clue what my skill level is. Like I said, let's queue for some BGs together and you can find out. Based on your perception of the class, I doubt you play in many high MMR BGs — if you queue with me you will, and I guarantee you'll see things differently. As far as my "mindset," I just want ZOS to fix what they broke.

This line I do mean this in a good way OP. OP means original poster

I know — I am the OP. You said you agreed with the post you were responding to, and that person said "...the class is OP..." My comment was referring to that.

Where did those charts come from?

Shadowasrial · February 2020

Nightblades are nerfed to the point where even highly skilled players struggle against average players of opposing classes. It’s at the point where I’d doesn’t matter how skilled you are. If your an elite nightblade you will loose 9 out of 10 times against an elite player of an opposing class. Our kit has been gutted to the point where we can barely spit out a full rotation on an opponent without missing one one of the skills

Cavedog · February 2020

When NB's are less than 50% of the solo's in Cyrodiil, maybe the OP will have a point.

Until then, learn to play the NB skills that aren't cloak. NB's have more tools in their toolbox than most other classes. They do a lot more than cloak.

Czekoludek · February 2020

fastolfv_ESO wrote: »

not even sure how nbs have been "nerfed", they are still the best bombers and gankers in pvp with the best passives, in pve nbs are still doing monster dps just toned down just like every other class from the dot changes. The only thing i can think of is the heavy meta being pushed in pvp that makes all burst damage lower so someone might perceive nbs as nerfed

Not true at all. Best gankers currently are magsorcs with meteor ganking (watch some videos with them, they are hillarious, must admit) and best bombers are magcros (but outside bombing and harmony builds they still need a buff). Blades currently are the best at nothing, you can still perform good on them but every other class will do it better.

Langeston · February 2020

Shadowasrial wrote: »

Nightblades are nerfed to the point where even highly skilled players struggle against average players of opposing classes. It’s at the point where I’d doesn’t matter how skilled you are. If your an elite nightblade you will loose 9 out of 10 times against an elite player of an opposing class. Our kit has been gutted to the point where we can barely spit out a full rotation on an opponent without missing one one of the skills

Exactly. One of the really frustrating things about this is it makes it pretty difficult to even be able to tell how you stack up against other players.

There are names I recognize in BGs that seem pretty solid based on their performance on a Sorc/Templar/DK/Warden — but then I'll see them on their Nightblade and I completely thrash them. So either literally every one of them is just really bad at playing NBs, or the class itself is weaker (and by a considerable amount.)

It's frustrating not knowing if I got beaten by the player, or by the class they're playing.

Eormenric · February 2020

@Langeston

You've created a circular and non-constructive thread. To see what I mean, count how many times you typed the word "aware", as if you're attempting to parent this "someone from ZOS" and how your responses do not fall in line with someone seeking an answer but more to bash on employees and a game that even when you did enjoy it, you never bothered to say thanks.

We all get frustrated when we grow an unhealthy expectation of the things we have in our lives--the things we thought would provide for us 100% of the time--and so I implore you to stop, breath, and reflect on your thoughts before making unhelpful threads like this. Honestly, all I get is that you're angry about Nightblades, but you list generic examples and no data to make your case.

Do you remember this comment you made on January 20th?

Langeston wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

OWLTHEMAD wrote: »

karthrag_inak wrote: »

Artorias24 wrote: »

I dont know If fake or not... But those things has been going through some discords lately

https://imgur.com/a/n2tfYqV

this was already debunked by @ZOS_GinaBruno the last time it was posted.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/6537692#Comment_6537692

Im gonna be mad as hell if they do end up being accurate. Those 'fake' notes are ROUGH. Especially on nightblades. Unfortunately zos track record makes those look legit.

There are only 5 things for Nightblades, 3 of which are bug fixes. They are not real, I promise. Someone just has a lot of time on their hands.

Well the other two had better be ******* killer buffs then. If NBs aren't improved this patch, I'm out.

You are continuing to be upset by changes to Nightblades, and should therefore be "out". You're clearly more unhappy than anything else about the direction of Nightblades (or the game as a whole). If you wanted to quit the game, do so, but if you want to give another class a try, I highly recommend it. Variety is good in life.

Shadowasrial · February 2020

What a lot of people fail to also realize is that nbs we’re designed to be heavy hitters on a single target. Especially when using stealth. It’s a classic striker class get in get out before reinforcements arrive. Now you can build to be more of a brawler but with the current meta brawling isn’t much of a thing. If you don’t have the super high damage to put pressure on a tanky player then eventually you will loose. And many nbs didn’t create one with the notion that they would have to run heavy armor swinging a great sword. We don’t even have a speed advantage. I see tons of heavy armor players Speeding around evading all of nbs single target abilities

Gilvoth · February 2020

nesakinter wrote: »

Reyleigh wrote: »

Another NB whining thread ?
Enough of that, the class is OP for those that know how to use it

nightblade is a weak class when fighting seasoned players and can not face up against someone with the same skill level head to head, especially on tanky classes like stamden, stamcro, stamdk and magplar as it does not have the offensive kit to finish them off fast enough.

Exactly!
all truth.

AuraoftheAzureSea · February 2020

I quit eso a few months back, but this forum is still on my phone favorites and idle curiosity brought me here. Disappointing to see that what drove me away is still an issue. RIP nightblades.

- Former nb stam/mag/heal/tank main

FrankonPC · February 2020

MJallday wrote: »

don't think of it as nerfing nightblades, think of it as buffing everything else

It's definitely a nerf to nightblades when you make mass hysteria a lesser version of turn evil, when incap is a lesser version of onslaught, when you take away minor berserk on the assassin class and slap it on the Warden instead(while also giving both minor vulnerability).

FrankonPC · February 2020

D3N7157 wrote: »

they were too strong and annoying in PVP and used to be unbeatable PVE dps both stam and mag
are you serious asking this question? make a diffrienct class stop crying

This isn't a good model for balance in pve or pvp, and people are already doing that.

Langeston · February 2020

furiouslog wrote: »

Langeston wrote: »

xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »

Langeston wrote: »

xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »

Reyleigh wrote: »

Another NB whining thread ?
Enough of that, the class is OP for those that know how to use it

Agreed ^ nightblades need some buffs. I am however a bit perplexed by people claiming they are so bad when they are not.

My first character was a magblade and my second character was a stamblade. They are both still playing strong in Cyro. The only difference is there are a lot of bad nbs playing rn. I love it that NBs are no longer a casual class, as @Mayrael put it once.

Keep updated with your class. Make sure to play with good PvPers and learn from them. Being social and being known in PvP by your fellow players and with other dueling peeps helps a lot too !! If you put the time into the class learning it in depth it is worth it.

I do mean this in a good way OP.

Soooooo get out of your depressed state and go see for yourself....Cx

Good Luck

I'm sure they do just fine in Cyrodiil zergs, but that's not my bag. If you're on PC NA, hop on your magblade & we can group up & do some BGs together. You can show me how "OP" they are.

I play solo or with two others.

Well then your comment isn't particularly relevant or helpful. As I said, I mostly play in BGs — and in higher MMR BGs Nightblades are garbage (especially Magblades.)

If you’re not doing well that is on you. Then just complain on a forum that has other NBs that have no issue soloing such as myself.

1. I never said I don't do well, I said Nightblades are the weakest class. No one who knows what they're talking about disputes this.

2. Again, the fact that you "have no issue soloing" is irrelevant.

You then will end up staying where you are right now with your skill level and mind set GG

You have no clue what my skill level is. Like I said, let's queue for some BGs together and you can find out. Based on your perception of the class, I doubt you play in many high MMR BGs — if you queue with me you will, and I guarantee you'll see things differently. As far as my "mindset," I just want ZOS to fix what they broke.

This line I do mean this in a good way OP. OP means original poster

I know — I am the OP. You said you agreed with the post you were responding to, and that person said "...the class is OP..." My comment was referring to that.

Where did those charts come from?

@furiouslog
Isth3reno1else did a series of 4 videos ranking the classes based on solo, small group, and large group PVP.

Definitely worth a watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZtItFe4wVA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQw2HxkP9XA&t=407s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7aD1jF3ctk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8q-W0BsD6s&t=238s

FrankonPC · February 2020

Kahnak wrote: »

"1. I never said I don't do well, I said Nightblades are the weakest class. No one who knows what they're talking about disputes this."

You said NB are the weakest class, but then proceed to backpedal when confronted with anecdotes about PvE and Cyrodil PvP to the point where you have to clarify that you are speaking almost exclusively about BG's. The distinction needs to be made, because NB are obviously not the weakest class overall. Otherwise you're just muddling the actual point by continuing to move the goalpost when someone challenges your generalization. The fact they are the weakest in a single aspect of the game does not mean that they are broken. Someone has to be on the bottom and it's NB's turn. You know what the rest of us do? Make a new class until ZOS buffs them again.

NB's: MY CLASS IS BROKEN. ZOS WHY ARE YOU RUINING MY LIFE!

Other Classes: First time, eh?

Yes, in PvP nightblades are the weakest class, and it's really not close.

If you are playing solo as a stamblade, it's solid, but it's not as good as stamden, stam necro, stamplar or stam dk. The burst is all single target meaning it can be blocked or dodged. wardens, necros and templars all have some aoe aspect to their burst meaning it's harder to avoid and in an outnumbered situation this is more valuable.

When you get into group play(small group or large group) stamblade is inferior to every other stamina class in the game. If you run dawny/spin to win on stamblade, it's more effective on literally any other class. DK lhas access to leap(hardest hitting stamina ult in the game) and aoe major fracture
, stamplar has access to group purge

stamina necro has aoe major defile and aoe major vulnerability

stamden has aoe minor vulnerability, aoe major fracture and aoe major protection.

All of these different things provide group buffs. Nightblades do not have this sort of group play capability and you'd be better off playing any other stam class in a small or large scale situation for this reason.

As far as magblade goes, it doesn't have a burst heal meaning that when it gets to low health it's tough to recover. Their burst is slow and delayed, and due to the great amount of hots needed, it's tough to play it solo. You can, but a lot of other classes are easier.

Magblades are elite bombers, which make them valuable in large scale pvp, but in solo/small scale you're better off running literally anything else. If I hop on a magplar and play solo, it will be decent, but in group play it's elite. Same with magcro. stamden and stamcro are great regardless of group comp(or lack thereof). All of the other classes are a lot more flexible and provide group utility.

Czekoludek · February 2020

Langeston wrote: »

furiouslog wrote: »

Langeston wrote: »

xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »

Langeston wrote: »

xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »

Reyleigh wrote: »

Another NB whining thread ?
Enough of that, the class is OP for those that know how to use it

Agreed ^ nightblades need some buffs. I am however a bit perplexed by people claiming they are so bad when they are not.

My first character was a magblade and my second character was a stamblade. They are both still playing strong in Cyro. The only difference is there are a lot of bad nbs playing rn. I love it that NBs are no longer a casual class, as @Mayrael put it once.

Keep updated with your class. Make sure to play with good PvPers and learn from them. Being social and being known in PvP by your fellow players and with other dueling peeps helps a lot too !! If you put the time into the class learning it in depth it is worth it.

I do mean this in a good way OP.

Soooooo get out of your depressed state and go see for yourself....Cx

Good Luck

I'm sure they do just fine in Cyrodiil zergs, but that's not my bag. If you're on PC NA, hop on your magblade & we can group up & do some BGs together. You can show me how "OP" they are.

I play solo or with two others.

Well then your comment isn't particularly relevant or helpful. As I said, I mostly play in BGs — and in higher MMR BGs Nightblades are garbage (especially Magblades.)

If you’re not doing well that is on you. Then just complain on a forum that has other NBs that have no issue soloing such as myself.

1. I never said I don't do well, I said Nightblades are the weakest class. No one who knows what they're talking about disputes this.

2. Again, the fact that you "have no issue soloing" is irrelevant.

You then will end up staying where you are right now with your skill level and mind set GG

You have no clue what my skill level is. Like I said, let's queue for some BGs together and you can find out. Based on your perception of the class, I doubt you play in many high MMR BGs — if you queue with me you will, and I guarantee you'll see things differently. As far as my "mindset," I just want ZOS to fix what they broke.

This line I do mean this in a good way OP. OP means original poster

I know — I am the OP. You said you agreed with the post you were responding to, and that person said "...the class is OP..." My comment was referring to that.

Where did those charts come from?

@furiouslog
Isth3reno1else did a series of 4 videos ranking the classes based on solo, small group, and large group PVP.

Definitely worth a watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZtItFe4wVA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQw2HxkP9XA&t=407s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7aD1jF3ctk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8q-W0BsD6s&t=238s

Videos are great, but charts are from Unified Gaming, so another source. Basically every ranking created by veteran PvP players put blades really low comparing to other classes. Looks like they all agree that, even if blade can be efficient in right hands, it is the weakest among the classes

Langeston · February 2020

To everyone saying "LOLZ, just play a different class": if you seriously think that not playing the class you enjoy is an adequate solution to the problem, you don't know what the word "solution" means.

1. I don't want to play a different class — I want ZOS to undo the damage they have caused to this class.
2. You do realize that if your "solution" to the problem is not playing Nightblade, you just proved my point that they are underpowered relative to the other classes, right?

Does any other class generate this may poorly thought out rationalizations for why it needs to be/stay weaker than the other classes? This is absurd.

Langeston · February 2020

Czekoludek wrote: »

Langeston wrote: »

furiouslog wrote: »

Langeston wrote: »

xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »

Langeston wrote: »

xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »

Reyleigh wrote: »

Another NB whining thread ?
Enough of that, the class is OP for those that know how to use it

Agreed ^ nightblades need some buffs. I am however a bit perplexed by people claiming they are so bad when they are not.

My first character was a magblade and my second character was a stamblade. They are both still playing strong in Cyro. The only difference is there are a lot of bad nbs playing rn. I love it that NBs are no longer a casual class, as @Mayrael put it once.

Keep updated with your class. Make sure to play with good PvPers and learn from them. Being social and being known in PvP by your fellow players and with other dueling peeps helps a lot too !! If you put the time into the class learning it in depth it is worth it.

I do mean this in a good way OP.

Soooooo get out of your depressed state and go see for yourself....Cx

Good Luck

I'm sure they do just fine in Cyrodiil zergs, but that's not my bag. If you're on PC NA, hop on your magblade & we can group up & do some BGs together. You can show me how "OP" they are.

I play solo or with two others.

Well then your comment isn't particularly relevant or helpful. As I said, I mostly play in BGs — and in higher MMR BGs Nightblades are garbage (especially Magblades.)

If you’re not doing well that is on you. Then just complain on a forum that has other NBs that have no issue soloing such as myself.

1. I never said I don't do well, I said Nightblades are the weakest class. No one who knows what they're talking about disputes this.

2. Again, the fact that you "have no issue soloing" is irrelevant.

You then will end up staying where you are right now with your skill level and mind set GG

You have no clue what my skill level is. Like I said, let's queue for some BGs together and you can find out. Based on your perception of the class, I doubt you play in many high MMR BGs — if you queue with me you will, and I guarantee you'll see things differently. As far as my "mindset," I just want ZOS to fix what they broke.

This line I do mean this in a good way OP. OP means original poster

I know — I am the OP. You said you agreed with the post you were responding to, and that person said "...the class is OP..." My comment was referring to that.

Where did those charts come from?

@furiouslog
Isth3reno1else did a series of 4 videos ranking the classes based on solo, small group, and large group PVP.

Definitely worth a watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZtItFe4wVA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQw2HxkP9XA&t=407s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7aD1jF3ctk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8q-W0BsD6s&t=238s

Videos are great, but charts are from Unified Gaming, so another source. Basically every ranking created by veteran PvP players put blades really low comparing to other classes. Looks like they all agree that, even if blade can be efficient in right hands, it is the weakest among the classes

Actually, the chart I posted is the one Isth3reno1else did in Excel. He made some updates/changes to the one [I believe] you are referring to.

[edit] Thank you for mentioning Unified Gaming, I hadn't heard of him. It looks like Isth3reno1else may have gotten his idea for his charts from UG. UG's seem to be a bit more in-depth.

Stebarnz · February 2020

There is an element of people refusing to adapt and play a different style other than gank. However... NB mag more so than stam is in a weird place at the min a couple of minor things would help them.

1. increase travel speed of spec bow.
2. remove or reduce cast times on the ults its made them weird.
3. remove silence from incap.

These are not major or game breaking changes and would help bring the class inline.

Reyleigh · February 2020

Deathlord92 wrote: »

We need a damage boost killing noobs is easy af it always will be but when I’m fighting a good player and there playing a templar stamcro stam warden I feel my nerfs heavily they can do me at any time I can put all my effort to get thm into execute range and they are easily able to recover especially stamcro with brp makes me very salty.

The classes you mention are unkillable for everyone not just you

Shardaxx · February 2020

I agree but I'm not sure its worth pointing this stuff out on the forums. ZOS only appear to delete posts and close threads down, they never seem to actually listen. Well I cancelled my subs, mostly due to the poor game performance on PS4 atm but also because my NB main has been nerfed too much. Maybe if enough players stop giving them money they might listen?

starlizard70ub17_ESO · February 2020

Reyleigh wrote: »

Another NB whining thread ?
Enough of that, the class is OP for those that know how to use it

True, but the problem is most people don't know how to use it. Other classes like stam templers and Sorcs have easier rotations to play. To be good at nightblades (and a few other classes), you actually have to put in the time to learn the best skills and correct rotation to use them.

Kahnak · February 2020

Shardaxx wrote: »

I agree but I'm not sure its worth pointing this stuff out on the forums. ZOS only appear to delete posts and close threads down, they never seem to actually listen. Well I cancelled my subs, mostly due to the poor game performance on PS4 atm but also because my NB main has been nerfed too much. Maybe if enough players stop giving them money they might listen?

ZOS shuts down threads because most of these threads devolve into individual "NO U" arguments that don't serve any purpose. I've never seen ZOS close a thread simply because of criticism. OP's title is obviously adversarial and this thread hasn't been shut down, so I don't know why this accusation of censorship keep coming up. I also find it a little self-serving to suggest that other people should stop paying for subs to try and strongarm ZOS into buffing your main.

Iskiab · February 2020

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

Reyleigh wrote: »

Another NB whining thread ?
Enough of that, the class is OP for those that know how to use it

True, but the problem is most people don't know how to use it. Other classes like stam templers and Sorcs have easier rotations to play. To be good at nightblades (and a few other classes), you actually have to put in the time to learn the best skills and correct rotation to use them.

This just isn’t true. It’s not a matter of learning, it’s a matter of being weaker then other classes. If you lose to a NB, any NB unless you’re mounted, that’s a matter of learning.