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Dark Deal
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Cres✭✭✭PhoenixGrey wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »This skill is absolutely and broken probably the biggest things that needs a fix. Magsorc is alreay overpowered enough running around with a sword and board and stamsorcs run around with like 800 regen spamming this as a heal and free stat return. To stop this being abused and make sorcs run an appropriate amount of regen it should be like a buff, make it a HOT and give no instant stat return, it’s ridiculous how abused this skill is by sorcs and this game is so insanely garbage when it comes to interrupting with bash, that its essentially not an option. And for those that say run something with an interrupt skill.... lol
Run 2k regen on your mag sorc with 2 shields and dark conversion and I can still run you out of sustain. Run BOL as well while at it
Obviously never thought of Lich, absorb magica glyphs, ele drain tri pots and engine guardian, why would you run 2 shields? You would need to be able to get hit for that to be of use
Running 1 shield is even better. You would die before you run out of sustain or even before you decide to run
Matriarch is nearly as burst heal than breath of life at the moment
Matriarch is better. It can heal through walls and you do not have to face the healed. It has damage too.
Dark Deal is big heal with huge stamina return. So you can streak, shieldstack and brake/dodgeroll/block more. Absolutely broken combination with that kind of mobility and sustain.
Stam uses dark deal, therefore would not be shield stacking. Mag uses dark conversion which costs stam and therefore will not be able to breakfree/dodgeroll/block more
That’s not written in stone, you can play around with different combinations. I went wood elf magsorc with dark conversion which let me run 1300 mag regen, but lots of people run it the other way so they can get stam back with higher mag regen.
I think the stam passive makes my way a little better, but I haven’t tried both.
I get that but you're still sacrificing 1 resource to get another back. So this skill, regardless of morph, will not give you an advantage in the area you're sacrificing.0 -
oxygen_thief✭✭✭✭✭
✭PhoenixGrey wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »This skill is absolutely and broken probably the biggest things that needs a fix. Magsorc is alreay overpowered enough running around with a sword and board and stamsorcs run around with like 800 regen spamming this as a heal and free stat return. To stop this being abused and make sorcs run an appropriate amount of regen it should be like a buff, make it a HOT and give no instant stat return, it’s ridiculous how abused this skill is by sorcs and this game is so insanely garbage when it comes to interrupting with bash, that its essentially not an option. And for those that say run something with an interrupt skill.... lol
Run 2k regen on your mag sorc with 2 shields and dark conversion and I can still run you out of sustain. Run BOL as well while at it
Obviously never thought of Lich, absorb magica glyphs, ele drain tri pots and engine guardian, why would you run 2 shields? You would need to be able to get hit for that to be of use
Running 1 shield is even better. You would die before you run out of sustain or even before you decide to run
Matriarch is nearly as burst heal than breath of life at the moment
Matriarch is better. It can heal through walls and you do not have to face the healed. It has damage too.
Dark Deal is big heal with huge stamina return. So you can streak, shieldstack and brake/dodgeroll/block more. Absolutely broken combination with that kind of mobility and sustain.
breath of life doesnt take two slots. healing cant be prevented by killing the pet. i would gladly change matriarch to bol for my sorc
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Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭oxygen_thief wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »This skill is absolutely and broken probably the biggest things that needs a fix. Magsorc is alreay overpowered enough running around with a sword and board and stamsorcs run around with like 800 regen spamming this as a heal and free stat return. To stop this being abused and make sorcs run an appropriate amount of regen it should be like a buff, make it a HOT and give no instant stat return, it’s ridiculous how abused this skill is by sorcs and this game is so insanely garbage when it comes to interrupting with bash, that its essentially not an option. And for those that say run something with an interrupt skill.... lol
Run 2k regen on your mag sorc with 2 shields and dark conversion and I can still run you out of sustain. Run BOL as well while at it
Obviously never thought of Lich, absorb magica glyphs, ele drain tri pots and engine guardian, why would you run 2 shields? You would need to be able to get hit for that to be of use
Running 1 shield is even better. You would die before you run out of sustain or even before you decide to run
Matriarch is nearly as burst heal than breath of life at the moment
Matriarch is better. It can heal through walls and you do not have to face the healed. It has damage too.
Dark Deal is big heal with huge stamina return. So you can streak, shieldstack and brake/dodgeroll/block more. Absolutely broken combination with that kind of mobility and sustain.
breath of life doesnt take two slots. healing cant be prevented by killing the pet. i would gladly change matriarch to bol for my sorc
Matriarch is so much more potent than breath of life, so it's definitely worth "sacrificing" two barslots for it. In NOCP my breath of life tooltip is about 9-10k. On a comparable build, the matriarch heal sits around 14-15k healing tooltip (I've seen people with 17-18k tooltips in nocp, and if you wanted to, it's easy to cheese it even higher). Add that matriarch ignores line of sight and heals more targets than breath of life. And killing the pet ain't going to happen in a realistic scenario when you've incoming dmg from more than 1 source, and if the sorc goes far away enough, the HP will automatically reset anyway.
And even if you kill the pet, bash the first attempt to summon the pet, you can just wait another second and resummon it during your cc immunity.
Edited by Qbiken on February 8, 2020 10:04AM4 -
oxygen_thief✭✭✭✭✭
✭ifoxygen_thief wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »This skill is absolutely and broken probably the biggest things that needs a fix. Magsorc is alreay overpowered enough running around with a sword and board and stamsorcs run around with like 800 regen spamming this as a heal and free stat return. To stop this being abused and make sorcs run an appropriate amount of regen it should be like a buff, make it a HOT and give no instant stat return, it’s ridiculous how abused this skill is by sorcs and this game is so insanely garbage when it comes to interrupting with bash, that its essentially not an option. And for those that say run something with an interrupt skill.... lol
Run 2k regen on your mag sorc with 2 shields and dark conversion and I can still run you out of sustain. Run BOL as well while at it
Obviously never thought of Lich, absorb magica glyphs, ele drain tri pots and engine guardian, why would you run 2 shields? You would need to be able to get hit for that to be of use
Running 1 shield is even better. You would die before you run out of sustain or even before you decide to run
Matriarch is nearly as burst heal than breath of life at the moment
Matriarch is better. It can heal through walls and you do not have to face the healed. It has damage too.
Dark Deal is big heal with huge stamina return. So you can streak, shieldstack and brake/dodgeroll/block more. Absolutely broken combination with that kind of mobility and sustain.
breath of life doesnt take two slots. healing cant be prevented by killing the pet. i would gladly change matriarch to bol for my sorc
Matriarch is so much more potent than breath of life, so it's definitely worth "sacrificing" two barslots for it. In NOCP my breath of life tooltip is about 9-10k. On a comparable build, the matriarch heal sits around 14-15k healing tooltip (I've seen people with 17-18k tooltips in nocp, and if you wanted to, it's easy to cheese it even higher). Add that matriarch ignores line of sight and heals more targets than breath of life. And killing the pet ain't going to happen in a realistic scenario when you've incoming dmg from more than 1 source, and if the sorc goes far away enough, the HP will automatically reset anyway.
And even if you kill the pet, bash the first attempt to summon the pet, you can just wait another second and resummon it during your cc immunity.
i dont build for a bigger matriarch tooltip. i think if you need higher numbers you can reach them on bol too. i had a sweaty fight today in the battlegrounds against premade with a lot of wall jabs permafrost and other aoes during wich my matriarch was dropping like a fly. i could not streak away to reset pets hp and leave my teammates in the minority. in a group play i would rather have a weaker but one sloted healing ability and one free slot for some utilites or maybe for an execute0 -
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✭oxygen_thief wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »This skill is absolutely and broken probably the biggest things that needs a fix. Magsorc is alreay overpowered enough running around with a sword and board and stamsorcs run around with like 800 regen spamming this as a heal and free stat return. To stop this being abused and make sorcs run an appropriate amount of regen it should be like a buff, make it a HOT and give no instant stat return, it’s ridiculous how abused this skill is by sorcs and this game is so insanely garbage when it comes to interrupting with bash, that its essentially not an option. And for those that say run something with an interrupt skill.... lol
Run 2k regen on your mag sorc with 2 shields and dark conversion and I can still run you out of sustain. Run BOL as well while at it
Obviously never thought of Lich, absorb magica glyphs, ele drain tri pots and engine guardian, why would you run 2 shields? You would need to be able to get hit for that to be of use
Running 1 shield is even better. You would die before you run out of sustain or even before you decide to run
Matriarch is nearly as burst heal than breath of life at the moment
Matriarch is better. It can heal through walls and you do not have to face the healed. It has damage too.
Dark Deal is big heal with huge stamina return. So you can streak, shieldstack and brake/dodgeroll/block more. Absolutely broken combination with that kind of mobility and sustain.
breath of life doesnt take two slots. healing cant be prevented by killing the pet. i would gladly change matriarch to bol for my sorc
Im sure many magplars would say the opposite and prefer to slot a pet both bars giving a much better heal and allowing for necro proc + get 8% max health for having it active1 -
oxygen_thief✭✭✭✭✭
✭oxygen_thief wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »This skill is absolutely and broken probably the biggest things that needs a fix. Magsorc is alreay overpowered enough running around with a sword and board and stamsorcs run around with like 800 regen spamming this as a heal and free stat return. To stop this being abused and make sorcs run an appropriate amount of regen it should be like a buff, make it a HOT and give no instant stat return, it’s ridiculous how abused this skill is by sorcs and this game is so insanely garbage when it comes to interrupting with bash, that its essentially not an option. And for those that say run something with an interrupt skill.... lol
Run 2k regen on your mag sorc with 2 shields and dark conversion and I can still run you out of sustain. Run BOL as well while at it
Obviously never thought of Lich, absorb magica glyphs, ele drain tri pots and engine guardian, why would you run 2 shields? You would need to be able to get hit for that to be of use
Running 1 shield is even better. You would die before you run out of sustain or even before you decide to run
Matriarch is nearly as burst heal than breath of life at the moment
Matriarch is better. It can heal through walls and you do not have to face the healed. It has damage too.
Dark Deal is big heal with huge stamina return. So you can streak, shieldstack and brake/dodgeroll/block more. Absolutely broken combination with that kind of mobility and sustain.
breath of life doesnt take two slots. healing cant be prevented by killing the pet. i would gladly change matriarch to bol for my sorc
Im sure many magplars would say the opposite and prefer to slot a pet both bars giving a much better heal and allowing for necro proc + get 8% max health for having it active
crafty alfiq adds 5848 m. necro adds 6438 m. 590 magicka points dont worth a slot as for me but templars can get necro proc by monster sets if the really want it while sorcs cant cut pet in half
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Nerf threads like these are never constructive, nor hold any value. I have never seen a nerf thread that has any result other than cause clashing on the forums. And demand nerfs is the opposite of constructive.Veit ég aðég hékk vindga meiði á nætr allar níu, geiri undaðr og gefinn Oðni, sjálfr sjálfum mér, á þeim meiði er manngi veit hvers hann af rótum rennr.5 -
Squidgaurd✭✭✭yeah it kindof sucks to be a sorc and be pidgeon holed into using 2h like buff stam sorc.0
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MirkoZ✭✭✭✭YEEE LET'S DELETE ONE OF THE 2 SKILLS STAMSORCS HAVE!!!!¡!!¡!!!¡!!¡
excuse me, what the ***???!!!3 -
Anyron✭✭✭✭✭
✭2k regen isnt enought on magsorc. If you ever played it (i hope you did) you know how many skills is dodged/missed( someone counted that few months ago -here on forums- and it was roughly 70% missed/dodged) . And you still have to do enought damage to kill that guy.
No jokes, its really hard to sustain it. If you use your shield, its 4200 mag, force pulse is 2700. Only these two + light attack and you have -6900 mag/2s. [to sustain this you have to run 7000regen] And thats preety basic combo which still can be dodged/missed.
Edited by Anyron on February 10, 2020 1:11PM2 -
StaticWave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭This skill is absolutely and broken probably the biggest things that needs a fix. Magsorc is alreay overpowered enough running around with a sword and board and stamsorcs run around with like 800 regen spamming this as a heal and free stat return. To stop this being abused and make sorcs run an appropriate amount of regen it should be like a buff, make it a HOT and give no instant stat return, it’s ridiculous how abused this skill is by sorcs and this game is so insanely garbage when it comes to interrupting with bash, that its essentially not an option. And for those that say run something with an interrupt skill.... lol
Hi i'm a stamsorc main. I think you're a bit misinformed on the strength of dark deal. It is a GREAT skill, i have to admit that, but it's not absolutely broken because of 2 reasons:
1/ It is a channel, so every second you spend casting dark deal, you're not being offensive. I've played both 2k regen and 800 regen with dark deal, and when using the latter I spend 70% of my time dark dealing for stamina. This reduces my offensive window to maybe 15 seconds at best. On a DK with 800 recovery, I can pressure people better and still have good regen with battle roar/helping hands + off balance heavy attack. Active regen is a disadvantage compared to a passive one.
2/ It's a channel, so your window of using this skill is 5s after a break free. It can be abused vs players who don't interrupt or stun regularly, but you can't really pull that off against a good player. When I duel good players or fight outnumbered, I only dark deal after I've disengaged or immune to stuns from my opponent(s), because it's extremely risky to cast it without stun immunity. When I duel sorcs that cast dark deal before they are stunned, I usually interrupt them. They are also off balanced after being interrupted, so I can heavy attack them for that sweet stamina, and cast a few dark deals myself. You can say they will just cast dark deal after the stun immunity, which is true, but it goes back to point #1. Compared to passive regen, this is a disadvantage.
Furthermore, stamsorc's offensive toolkit is mediocre compared to the rest of the classes. It always has been. Therefore if you take away dark deal, which is the signature skill for stamsorc, you might as well delete the class from existence.Edited by StaticWave on February 11, 2020 7:23PM5 -
iCaliban✭✭✭✭✭
✭oxygen_thief wrote: »
I run 1300 and im not. 2k regen is not neededEdited by iCaliban on February 12, 2020 12:26AM0 -
thadjarvis✭✭✭✭Lots of interesting thoughts. Not saying the skill is one, but all classes have a few elements that are OP by design to differentiate gameplay.
OP: if you believe that it is so powerful that the class as a whole is significantly stronger than any others, it sounds like it’s the class for you as others don’t see it that way. In short: use it.2 -
PhoenixGrey✭✭✭✭✭
✭oxygen_thief wrote: »
I run 1300 and im not. 2k regen is not needed
Depends on the type of PVP. For long fights its pretty easy to run a sorc out of regen. If your regen is high, your shields are puny and you will be stuck on the defensive under pressure and eventually run out or die. The shield costs are non sustainable even with dark deal, engine guardian and lich combinedEdited by PhoenixGrey on February 12, 2020 5:38AM1