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Dark Deal
Fawn4287
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This skill is absolutely and broken probably the biggest things that needs a fix. Magsorc is alreay overpowered enough running around with a sword and board and stamsorcs run around with like 800 regen spamming this as a heal and free stat return. To stop this being abused and make sorcs run an appropriate amount of regen it should be like a buff, make it a HOT and give no instant stat return, it’s ridiculous how abused this skill is by sorcs and this game is so insanely garbage when it comes to interrupting with bash, that its essentially not an option. And for those that say run something with an interrupt skill.... lol
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Beardimus✭✭✭✭✭
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And yeah, interupt.Xbox One | EU | EP
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Bëardimus : L43 Dunmer Magsorc / BG
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Beardimus le 13iem : L30 Dunmer Magsorc Icereach11 -
PhoenixGrey✭✭✭✭✭
✭This skill is absolutely and broken probably the biggest things that needs a fix. Magsorc is alreay overpowered enough running around with a sword and board and stamsorcs run around with like 800 regen spamming this as a heal and free stat return. To stop this being abused and make sorcs run an appropriate amount of regen it should be like a buff, make it a HOT and give no instant stat return, it’s ridiculous how abused this skill is by sorcs and this game is so insanely garbage when it comes to interrupting with bash, that its essentially not an option. And for those that say run something with an interrupt skill.... lol
Run 2k regen on your mag sorc with 2 shields and dark conversion and I can still run you out of sustain. Run BOL as well while at itEdited by PhoenixGrey on February 4, 2020 7:57AM4 -
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✭Adding interrupt immunity was one of the most questionable changes of the combat system. Since that change, I will wave my hand at you with impunity nine out of ten times.
We told them this is problematic during the PTS. But they wanted to make channels more attractive, and this was the way they went.no CP PvP PC/EU
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✭you can interrupt it with the venom arrow. if you dont want to use it then its your choice to be vulnerableEdited by oxygen_thief on February 4, 2020 1:55PM1 -
Fawn4287✭✭✭✭✭
✭oxygen_thief wrote: »you can interrupt it with the venom arrow. if you dont want to use it then its your choice to be vulnerable
How do you interrupt BOlt Escape? Not even A road runner is out pacing a sorc2 -
Fawn4287✭✭✭✭✭
✭PhoenixGrey wrote: »This skill is absolutely and broken probably the biggest things that needs a fix. Magsorc is alreay overpowered enough running around with a sword and board and stamsorcs run around with like 800 regen spamming this as a heal and free stat return. To stop this being abused and make sorcs run an appropriate amount of regen it should be like a buff, make it a HOT and give no instant stat return, it’s ridiculous how abused this skill is by sorcs and this game is so insanely garbage when it comes to interrupting with bash, that its essentially not an option. And for those that say run something with an interrupt skill.... lol
Run 2k regen on your mag sorc with 2 shields and dark conversion and I can still run you out of sustain. Run BOL as well while at it
Obviously never thought of Lich, absorb magica glyphs, ele drain tri pots and engine guardian, why would you run 2 shields? You would need to be able to get hit for that to be of use
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✭oxygen_thief wrote: »you can interrupt it with the venom arrow. if you dont want to use it then its your choice to be vulnerable
How do you interrupt BOlt Escape? Not even A road runner is out pacing a sorc
have you ever been killed by bol? streak drains magicka pretty fast unless its not a troll build0 -
Fawn4287✭✭✭✭✭
✭oxygen_thief wrote: »oxygen_thief wrote: »you can interrupt it with the venom arrow. if you dont want to use it then its your choice to be vulnerable
How do you interrupt BOlt Escape? Not even A road runner is out pacing a sorc
have you ever been killed by bol? streak drains magicka pretty fast unless its not a troll build
Not really, 3 streaks, line of site for 2 seconds and 2 dark converts and your back to full health and recovered those lost stats if not more1 -
oxygen_thief✭✭✭✭✭
✭oxygen_thief wrote: »oxygen_thief wrote: »you can interrupt it with the venom arrow. if you dont want to use it then its your choice to be vulnerable
How do you interrupt BOlt Escape? Not even A road runner is out pacing a sorc
have you ever been killed by bol? streak drains magicka pretty fast unless its not a troll build
Not really, 3 streaks, line of site for 2 seconds and 2 dark converts and your back to full health and recovered those lost stats if not more
so what? while you are streaking away your enemies can use meditate and potions to recover6 -
Fawn4287✭✭✭✭✭
✭oxygen_thief wrote: »oxygen_thief wrote: »oxygen_thief wrote: »you can interrupt it with the venom arrow. if you dont want to use it then its your choice to be vulnerable
How do you interrupt BOlt Escape? Not even A road runner is out pacing a sorc
have you ever been killed by bol? streak drains magicka pretty fast unless its not a troll build
Not really, 3 streaks, line of site for 2 seconds and 2 dark converts and your back to full health and recovered those lost stats if not more
so what? while you are streaking away your enemies can use meditate and potions to recover
No they can’t, no other build in the game has a reliable burst combo that is all 28M range. Its up to the opponent to be the aggressor closing the gap, because everything else has some sort of Lower ranged ability in its burst combo
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✭oxygen_thief wrote: »oxygen_thief wrote: »oxygen_thief wrote: »you can interrupt it with the venom arrow. if you dont want to use it then its your choice to be vulnerable
How do you interrupt BOlt Escape? Not even A road runner is out pacing a sorc
have you ever been killed by bol? streak drains magicka pretty fast unless its not a troll build
Not really, 3 streaks, line of site for 2 seconds and 2 dark converts and your back to full health and recovered those lost stats if not more
so what? while you are streaking away your enemies can use meditate and potions to recover
No they can’t, no other build in the game has a reliable burst combo that is all 28M range. Its up to the opponent to be the aggressor closing the gap, because everything else has some sort of Lower ranged ability in its burst combo
what do you mean they cant? you cant simultaneously cast streak dark deal and your 28m combo which can be easily blocked or dodged except curse but you cant just curse somebody to death. i dont even want to say that every decent melee player has a gap closer.1 -
Rahar✭✭✭✭Spamming Dark Conversion under any amount of pressure will get you killed. The heal can't keep up with one player's damage and the skill is bashable. The mag version especially needs to exist because of the absurdly high costs of shields. sSorc really is the only one that can get away with ~1.5k regen because magicka isn't needed on a stam build; mSorc runs with 2k+ and still could run dry if stressed.
Unless OP is running one of those tank builds, in which case yeah Dark Conversion's heal would be enough lolNeRf MaGsOrC2 -
Tolino✭✭✭✭✭Not really, 3 streaks, line of site for 2 seconds and 2 dark converts and your back to full health and recovered those lost stats if not more
Streak cost: 3176 Magicka (no Breton)
3xStreak (without cost increase) = 9528 Magicka
3xStreak (real scenario with cost increase) = 11624 Magicka
Dark conversion: 3600 Magicka back
You need min. 3 Dark conversion = 6k Stamina lessMagsorc: Tôlino (Wardless)
Magden: Wa-Uller
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PhoenixGrey✭✭✭✭✭
✭PhoenixGrey wrote: »This skill is absolutely and broken probably the biggest things that needs a fix. Magsorc is alreay overpowered enough running around with a sword and board and stamsorcs run around with like 800 regen spamming this as a heal and free stat return. To stop this being abused and make sorcs run an appropriate amount of regen it should be like a buff, make it a HOT and give no instant stat return, it’s ridiculous how abused this skill is by sorcs and this game is so insanely garbage when it comes to interrupting with bash, that its essentially not an option. And for those that say run something with an interrupt skill.... lol
Run 2k regen on your mag sorc with 2 shields and dark conversion and I can still run you out of sustain. Run BOL as well while at it
Obviously never thought of Lich, absorb magica glyphs, ele drain tri pots and engine guardian, why would you run 2 shields? You would need to be able to get hit for that to be of use
Running 1 shield is even better. You would die before you run out of sustain or even before you decide to run
Edited by PhoenixGrey on February 4, 2020 4:45PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Power here not in dark deal itself but in combining of unblockable stun 15m movement into dark deal which means that opponent must:
a) break free
b) use gap closer
c) interrupt
So even without cc-immunity which makes dark deal uninterruptible, you need to spend 3 GCD and huge ton of resources just to counter something that any magsorc can do without effort in 2 buttons press. But other classes have powerful combinations too. Magsorc is fine now. Powerful but not OP - every class should be like that.2 -
GRXRG✭✭✭✭Dude, I tried playing a 60k max magicka 2k spell damage sorcerer and I see my curses and frags hit 4k on those stamcros or stamdens which outheal my damage with 2 vigor ticks/arctic blast/spirit guardian and you talk of dark deal being broken?
Try spam dark deal and remain with 5k or less stamina while fighting one of those stam classes, then return here and maybe you will delete this post and maybe another asking for magsorc buffs lol.
On one guy he received a full ice comet streak stun curse frag combo and he was at 40% health after it done perfectly, he clicked vigor and guardian, full health again, he came to me, with a yummy 6k dizzy, stun, 8k blastbone and 12k onslaughts and 10k executioner, feels good.8 -
Fawn4287✭✭✭✭✭
✭PhoenixGrey wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »This skill is absolutely and broken probably the biggest things that needs a fix. Magsorc is alreay overpowered enough running around with a sword and board and stamsorcs run around with like 800 regen spamming this as a heal and free stat return. To stop this being abused and make sorcs run an appropriate amount of regen it should be like a buff, make it a HOT and give no instant stat return, it’s ridiculous how abused this skill is by sorcs and this game is so insanely garbage when it comes to interrupting with bash, that its essentially not an option. And for those that say run something with an interrupt skill.... lol
Run 2k regen on your mag sorc with 2 shields and dark conversion and I can still run you out of sustain. Run BOL as well while at it
Obviously never thought of Lich, absorb magica glyphs, ele drain tri pots and engine guardian, why would you run 2 shields? You would need to be able to get hit for that to be of use
Running 1 shield is even better. You would die before you run out of sustain or even before you decide to run
Matriarch is nearly as burst heal than breath of life at the moment
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✭Dude, I tried playing a 60k max magicka 2k spell damage sorcerer and I see my curses and frags hit 4k on those stamcros or stamdens which outheal my damage with 2 vigor ticks/arctic blast/spirit guardian and you talk of dark deal being broken?
Try spam dark deal and remain with 5k or less stamina while fighting one of those stam classes, then return here and maybe you will delete this post and maybe another asking for magsorc buffs lol.
On one guy he received a full ice comet streak stun curse frag combo and he was at 40% health after it done perfectly, he clicked vigor and guardian, full health again, he came to me, with a yummy 6k dizzy, stun, 8k blastbone and 12k onslaughts and 10k executioner, feels good.
Necro being too tanky doesn’t mean sorc isn’t OP, I was playing with 5k weapon damage on a stampar and a stamcro with shuffle takes essentially no damage from Jabs0 -
Rahar✭✭✭✭Dude, I tried playing a 60k max magicka 2k spell damage sorcerer and I see my curses and frags hit 4k on those stamcros or stamdens which outheal my damage with 2 vigor ticks/arctic blast/spirit guardian and you talk of dark deal being broken?
Try spam dark deal and remain with 5k or less stamina while fighting one of those stam classes, then return here and maybe you will delete this post and maybe another asking for magsorc buffs lol.
On one guy he received a full ice comet streak stun curse frag combo and he was at 40% health after it done perfectly, he clicked vigor and guardian, full health again, he came to me, with a yummy 6k dizzy, stun, 8k blastbone and 12k onslaughts and 10k executioner, feels good.
But hey at least we have Streak (for the moment) so we can x4 it in the opposite direction away from these builds, lol
You put into words what I feel about mSorc right nowDude, I tried playing a 60k max magicka 2k spell damage sorcerer and I see my curses and frags hit 4k on those stamcros or stamdens which outheal my damage with 2 vigor ticks/arctic blast/spirit guardian and you talk of dark deal being broken?
Try spam dark deal and remain with 5k or less stamina while fighting one of those stam classes, then return here and maybe you will delete this post and maybe another asking for magsorc buffs lol.
On one guy he received a full ice comet streak stun curse frag combo and he was at 40% health after it done perfectly, he clicked vigor and guardian, full health again, he came to me, with a yummy 6k dizzy, stun, 8k blastbone and 12k onslaughts and 10k executioner, feels good.
Necro being too tanky doesn’t mean sorc isn’t OP, I was playing with 5k weapon damage on a stampar and a stamcro with shuffle takes essentially no damage from Jabs
You're delusional. Not only of all skills mSorc has do you pick Dark Conversion to rag on, but you're completely ignoring the fact that any stam class (except for NB) can build tanky in full damage sets, lol. It's not just Necro that can do this, sDK, sDen, and sSorc can do it too.Edited by Rahar on February 4, 2020 10:23PMNeRf MaGsOrC1 -
Squidgaurd✭✭✭peopleblike to whine about stuff when they lose they blame stuff like skills, sets, classes at the end of the day that L is on you.0
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✭PhoenixGrey wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »This skill is absolutely and broken probably the biggest things that needs a fix. Magsorc is alreay overpowered enough running around with a sword and board and stamsorcs run around with like 800 regen spamming this as a heal and free stat return. To stop this being abused and make sorcs run an appropriate amount of regen it should be like a buff, make it a HOT and give no instant stat return, it’s ridiculous how abused this skill is by sorcs and this game is so insanely garbage when it comes to interrupting with bash, that its essentially not an option. And for those that say run something with an interrupt skill.... lol
Run 2k regen on your mag sorc with 2 shields and dark conversion and I can still run you out of sustain. Run BOL as well while at it
Obviously never thought of Lich, absorb magica glyphs, ele drain tri pots and engine guardian, why would you run 2 shields? You would need to be able to get hit for that to be of use
Running 1 shield is even better. You would die before you run out of sustain or even before you decide to run
Matriarch is nearly as burst heal than breath of life at the moment
Kill the pet and burst the sorc with one shield. How hard is that ? Would get insta gibbed0 -
BaiterOfZergs✭✭✭✭✭I don’t see the issue, skill has been around forever. It’s funny seeing the trend of old skills getting asked to be nerfed. It’s like everyone has run out of things to request to be nerfed.
It has a unique function and that’s fine. The more we strip away identity the more the game becomes homogenized.Zerg of House Smallscale, First of his name, wielder of Volendrung, battleground hero, Cyrodiil butcher, the swifft footed, OG of the Templars and first pvpers, defender of scrolls and baiter of zergs.3 -
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✭Honestly I would even say buff Dark Deal both Morphs. The heal is garbage compared to the pet Heal and the Stamina/Magicka you get back is way to low for it having a 1 Second casttime, that can be interrupted and then you can't use it again till the global cooldown wears off.Edited by L_Nici on February 7, 2020 8:18PMA very special girl
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Stibbons✭✭✭✭✭PhoenixGrey wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »This skill is absolutely and broken probably the biggest things that needs a fix. Magsorc is alreay overpowered enough running around with a sword and board and stamsorcs run around with like 800 regen spamming this as a heal and free stat return. To stop this being abused and make sorcs run an appropriate amount of regen it should be like a buff, make it a HOT and give no instant stat return, it’s ridiculous how abused this skill is by sorcs and this game is so insanely garbage when it comes to interrupting with bash, that its essentially not an option. And for those that say run something with an interrupt skill.... lol
Run 2k regen on your mag sorc with 2 shields and dark conversion and I can still run you out of sustain. Run BOL as well while at it
Obviously never thought of Lich, absorb magica glyphs, ele drain tri pots and engine guardian, why would you run 2 shields? You would need to be able to get hit for that to be of use
Running 1 shield is even better. You would die before you run out of sustain or even before you decide to run
Matriarch is nearly as burst heal than breath of life at the moment
Matriarch is better. It can heal through walls and you do not have to face the healed. It has damage too.
Dark Deal is big heal with huge stamina return. So you can streak, shieldstack and brake/dodgeroll/block more. Absolutely broken combination with that kind of mobility and sustain.2 -
Cres✭✭✭PhoenixGrey wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »This skill is absolutely and broken probably the biggest things that needs a fix. Magsorc is alreay overpowered enough running around with a sword and board and stamsorcs run around with like 800 regen spamming this as a heal and free stat return. To stop this being abused and make sorcs run an appropriate amount of regen it should be like a buff, make it a HOT and give no instant stat return, it’s ridiculous how abused this skill is by sorcs and this game is so insanely garbage when it comes to interrupting with bash, that its essentially not an option. And for those that say run something with an interrupt skill.... lol
Run 2k regen on your mag sorc with 2 shields and dark conversion and I can still run you out of sustain. Run BOL as well while at it
Obviously never thought of Lich, absorb magica glyphs, ele drain tri pots and engine guardian, why would you run 2 shields? You would need to be able to get hit for that to be of use
Running 1 shield is even better. You would die before you run out of sustain or even before you decide to run
Matriarch is nearly as burst heal than breath of life at the moment
Matriarch is better. It can heal through walls and you do not have to face the healed. It has damage too.
Dark Deal is big heal with huge stamina return. So you can streak, shieldstack and brake/dodgeroll/block more. Absolutely broken combination with that kind of mobility and sustain.
Stam uses dark deal, therefore would not be shield stacking. Mag uses dark conversion which costs stam and therefore will not be able to breakfree/dodgeroll/block more2 -
Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭PhoenixGrey wrote: »PhoenixGrey wrote: »This skill is absolutely and broken probably the biggest things that needs a fix. Magsorc is alreay overpowered enough running around with a sword and board and stamsorcs run around with like 800 regen spamming this as a heal and free stat return. To stop this being abused and make sorcs run an appropriate amount of regen it should be like a buff, make it a HOT and give no instant stat return, it’s ridiculous how abused this skill is by sorcs and this game is so insanely garbage when it comes to interrupting with bash, that its essentially not an option. And for those that say run something with an interrupt skill.... lol
Run 2k regen on your mag sorc with 2 shields and dark conversion and I can still run you out of sustain. Run BOL as well while at it
Obviously never thought of Lich, absorb magica glyphs, ele drain tri pots and engine guardian, why would you run 2 shields? You would need to be able to get hit for that to be of use
Running 1 shield is even better. You would die before you run out of sustain or even before you decide to run
Matriarch is nearly as burst heal than breath of life at the moment
Matriarch is better. It can heal through walls and you do not have to face the healed. It has damage too.
Dark Deal is big heal with huge stamina return. So you can streak, shieldstack and brake/dodgeroll/block more. Absolutely broken combination with that kind of mobility and sustain.
Stam uses dark deal, therefore would not be shield stacking. Mag uses dark conversion which costs stam and therefore will not be able to breakfree/dodgeroll/block more
That’s not written in stone, you can play around with different combinations. I went wood elf magsorc with dark conversion which let me run 1300 mag regen, but lots of people run it the other way so they can get stam back with higher mag regen.
I think the stam passive makes my way a little better, but I haven’t tried both.Edited by Iskiab on February 8, 2020 12:36AMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten0