Are templars (especially magicka) overpowered in PvP in compare to another classes?

Iskiab · February 2020

No, don't touch my templar main, I like to play with one hand, with phone in another, while smoking

Elric_Ashborn wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Elric_Ashborn wrote: »

That’s a bad way of looking at it. The people at the top of the leaderboards in Cyro all play in organized groups. Organized groups are all magballs right now.

If you want to see how a spec performs in a small scale or solo setting you should be looking at BGs. In the case of BGs there isn’t a magblade in sight.

I was talking about BGs... the reason you don't see and is it reset. Plus if your not seeing two handed sorcs in BGs then your simply not playing BGs. I qued yesterday where ALL three groups including myself was a sorc.

I don’t see that many NBs, well not on winning teams. Sorcs yea I do.

You can extrapolate something about the strongest classes from it, but not the strongest players. As you do more BGs your MMR tank goes up and your queue time gets longer. The best players are rarely on the leaderboard.

We can debate the merits of the MMR system on another thread. Back to your original statement. That they are "nowhere near" is simply not correct, and there are "no nightblades or sorcs" that rank high, is simply false. You are not implying, you are directly saying the Templar's and Necros keep those classes out buy sheer merit of the class. Meaning no Sorc or Nightblade can ever beat a Templar or Necro. This is patently false.

As you've just admitted, there are tons of sorcs, that means there are tons of folks who DO feel the class is up to par. This is a fantasy game, where you make your own character, nobody is building for an unsuccessful venture. They all likely have in common one thing, they feel they've found something with that class.

Besides this is all crap anyway. Is Templar the best in PvP? No - Is the Templar the best at DPS? Hell no. - Is the Templar the best Tank? Hahaha No... - Is the Templar the best healer? Meh Subjective, most of the best healing moves and not class specific. Is he the best at ANYTHING? Yeah getting my daily done in Cyro and scoring easy in BGs when fighting against.

Oh I’m just reading and talking about points brought up. I don’t think templar is OP either, my main is a magplar.

Sorcs are fine, it’s just the people who choose that class seem to be whiners. NBs do suck though.

I only play mag, I’m not sure how the mag vs stam effects things.

angelofdeath333 · February 2020

Snare snare snare snare...an aoe spammable that heals plus a ridiculously strong snare, off-balance AND a stun on a gapcloser.. burning light is way too much free damage for spamming a skill like an idiot.did i mention the snares?

Drdeath20 · February 2020

Another...

Magplars are definetly good but its hard to pick a clear mag winner. On the flip side their are clear mag losers.

TheGreatBlackBear · February 2020

"Edit to remove demands"

I'm dying

Ozby · February 2020

Another...

Your choices for the poll are terrible, Templars are just as good as DK, Warden and Necro etc as far as I have seen and tried out myself, it seems very balanced in PVP In my experience.You should add more options to your polls because I would have said no but I do not main a Templar.

Joy_Division · February 2020

JusticeSouldier wrote: »

I create this poll to put some attention to the situation when class which is absolutly best support in game, who can indefinitely heal up himself whole group, provide resourses and most important buffs...also after Elsweyr launched - has best surviveability in game, best or one of the best sustain in game, very nice damage, fast cc charge (withh offbalance built in), fast range cc (spear), chiepest in game aoe burst ultimate (without casttime), resists and general tankiness (blocking and another passives, rituals), autodebuffing healing and damaging everyone "Living Darkness" and can't be debuffed because of Extended ritual...

If someone will want to call this "complaining", create please a table, where in one column u will write all strong sides of each class, in another one weak side...result will be interesting i garantee...I play on mag and stam templars and I'm bored and annoyed. Easy mode for me, especially at magplar last 3 patches. Battlegrounds show this very clear - 1 magicka templar completly changes the balance of whole match. But there are veryoften groups of 3 or 4 magplars at the same team. Premades gone and it's very nice... now time to take a look at class balance

You clearly aren't interested in a discussion about the subject, all you are saying is "I'm right, if you disagree with me you're wither a moron or biased, ZOS nerf this now!"

It's like the most anti-intellectual useless type of feedback there is and does nothing to strive for the very balance you seek. OK, we're big on learning the lessons of history right. Last year everyone complained about NBs being too strong and if you disagreed you were just a moron or biased. So nerf them and make the game balanced.

So ZOS nerfed them. Why don't you ask a nightblade player how that worked out. So what's the lesson we learn? Hey, that worked so well, let's do the same for Templars! But not for wardens even though their "strong" side chart is just as imbalanced as the Templar. To say nothing of Stam Necros, who are predominant in PvE and will be top tier in PvP as of the patch notes.

Revokus · February 2020

Another...

What I hate about this noob class is that they have 2 good single target hard stun + a stun in Unstable Core while Magnecro can't even get one single target hard CC. Also their ability to be stupid heal bots in pvp that are just delaying their deaths without learning how to kill someone.

Even with that said every magicka class should be brought up to their standard in PvP.

Nerfing them is not necessary. And their dumb AOE Snare is getting nerfed next patch.

Casterial · February 2020

Another...

As a Templar main I think they're in a good spot, I think it comes down to other classes should be put on the Templar power level. Templar was garbage for so long. It is hard to play against them until you learn when to block or when they combo, but aside from that I think this should be the goal for all class levels in the game.

MartiniDaniels · February 2020

Revokus wrote: »

What I hate about this noob class is that they have 2 good single target hard stun + a stun in Unstable Core while Magnecro can't even get one single target hard CC. Also their ability to be stupid heal bots in pvp that are just delaying their deaths without learning how to kill someone.

Even with that said every magicka class should be brought up to their standard in PvP.

Nerfing them is not necessary. And their dumb AOE Snare is getting nerfed next patch.

Just try using those stuns... well, javelin is ok, but as your opponent will see your pattern it will be blocked majority of the time. Toppling charge is buggy unreliable trash. Half of the time it doesn't work and when it works you are locked in animation for so long (I tried to block+bar cancel it many times - doesn't help) that your target will breakfree when you are finished. You may see that many magplars are using essence drain and many stamplars are using turn evil. Because those 2 class stuns are so "awesome". Yeah, when you are hit by them running from the zerg it feels like they are OP. When you are trying to use them in 1v1 in S&B meta... it is completely another story.

Sanguinor2 · February 2020

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Just try using those stuns... well, javelin is ok, but as your opponent will see your pattern it will be blocked majority of the time. Toppling charge is buggy unreliable trash. Half of the time it doesn't work and when it works you are locked in animation for so long (I tried to block+bar cancel it many times - doesn't help) that your target will breakfree when you are finished. You may see that many magplars are using essence drain and many stamplars are using turn evil. Because those 2 class stuns are so "awesome". Yeah, when you are hit by them running from the zerg it feels like they are OP. When you are trying to use them in 1v1 in S&B meta... it is completely another story.

Toppling actually works most of the time for me, I Play magplar tho so javelin is complete garbage for me since knocking someone out of my sweeps range when I want to cc them for a burst Combo is a really bad idea…….
On a stamplar I prob wouldnt run toppling to have more mag for ritual but I dont really Play stamplar so idk About that one.

BalticBlues · February 2020

Another...

I hate such biased polls.
For YEARS, NBs were on top for their Cloak/Burst GOD MODE.
Now that their Burst is gone, they just hate all that can heal, and that is Templar most.

JusticeSouldier · February 2020

Yes, adjust it please, each class should have stong and weak sides.

BalticBlues wrote: »

I hate such biased polls.
For YEARS, NBs were on top for their Cloak/Burst GOD MODE.
Now that their Burst is gone, they just hate all that can heal, and that is Templar most.

Are u bot?
Waldo from "Black Mirror" series is your god? Wtf?
Where is anything about topic of this "biased" thread?
What a logic pushed u to write abnout nightblade's god mode instead of something about what is discussed?
How it's connected with templars?

These questions are rhetorical. I know answers to them, I want u to ask and answer for them by yourself.

darthgummibear_ESO · February 2020

angelofdeath333 wrote: »

Snare snare snare snare...an aoe spammable that heals plus a ridiculously strong snare, off-balance AND a stun on a gapcloser.. burning light is way too much free damage for spamming a skill like an idiot.did i mention the snares?

Sounds like someone who can't get away with snipe spamming from halfway across the map.

JusticeSouldier · February 2020

Yes, adjust it please, each class should have stong and weak sides.

darthgummibear_ESO wrote: »

angelofdeath333 wrote: »

Snare snare snare snare...an aoe spammable that heals plus a ridiculously strong snare, off-balance AND a stun on a gapcloser.. burning light is way too much free damage for spamming a skill like an idiot.did i mention the snares?

Sounds like someone who can't get away with snipe spamming from halfway across the map.

sounds like you trying to negate his words with dirty groundless assumption...
damn, learn how to discuss. LEARN.

JusticeSouldier · February 2020

Yes, adjust it please, each class should have stong and weak sides.

Joy_Division wrote: »

JusticeSouldier wrote: »

I create this poll to put some attention to the situation when class which is absolutly best support in game, who can indefinitely heal up himself whole group, provide resourses and most important buffs...also after Elsweyr launched - has best surviveability in game, best or one of the best sustain in game, very nice damage, fast cc charge (withh offbalance built in), fast range cc (spear), chiepest in game aoe burst ultimate (without casttime), resists and general tankiness (blocking and another passives, rituals), autodebuffing healing and damaging everyone "Living Darkness" and can't be debuffed because of Extended ritual...

If someone will want to call this "complaining", create please a table, where in one column u will write all strong sides of each class, in another one weak side...result will be interesting i garantee...I play on mag and stam templars and I'm bored and annoyed. Easy mode for me, especially at magplar last 3 patches. Battlegrounds show this very clear - 1 magicka templar completly changes the balance of whole match. But there are veryoften groups of 3 or 4 magplars at the same team. Premades gone and it's very nice... now time to take a look at class balance

You clearly aren't interested in a discussion about the subject, all you are saying is "I'm right, if you disagree with me you're wither a moron or biased, ZOS nerf this now!"

It's like the most anti-intellectual useless type of feedback there is and does nothing to strive for the very balance you seek. OK, we're big on learning the lessons of history right. Last year everyone complained about NBs being too strong and if you disagreed you were just a moron or biased. So nerf them and make the game balanced.

So ZOS nerfed them. Why don't you ask a nightblade player how that worked out. So what's the lesson we learn? Hey, that worked so well, let's do the same for Templars! But not for wardens even though their "strong" side chart is just as imbalanced as the Templar. To say nothing of Stam Necros, who are predominant in PvE and will be top tier in PvP as of the patch notes.

Well, with such "class representative" nothing strange we have such balance. And whole this "representatives" system is trash.
I guess u stucked at one of few only classes or playstyles, or in only specific content, or bored to play different classes and to compare them.
It doesn't work.
Only blind person can't see what's going on in battlegrounds for example.
How huge is value of magplars there and in similar conditions.
How tanky magplar is and how universal and strong is it's tookit.
1 magplar changes everything. And it's tanky af (exp one sure) + doing huge damage.

Or, biased abuser of holes in the system.
Like it was with premade advantages - it was during 3 years of asking Zenimax to separate premades from randoms, and everytime army of abusers wrote trash in style of "l2p", all fine, "we want to play in a team with friends to get fun" etc.

I feel u're first one.

On what the hell basement u decided that i'm not "interested in discussion the subject"?
And what is the sence of this your comment in general? Goal? Let's be true dude...

(And yes, nighblade's nerf was must. Not so strong, but it was needed. Same as magsorcs before. or dks in 2015. Because - BALANCE!)

MartiniDaniels · February 2020

^ try playing templar and then your opinion will change. I 100% agree that templars are more powerful then DKs, NBs and magcro and stamsorcs. And magden in solo scenarios.
But they are not more powerful by any means then stamden, stamcro, magsorc. And magden (in group scenario). So if you are DK or NB ask to buff them and majority will agree. If you are warden or stamcro or magsorc and you complain on templars... i don't know, then you just want to nerf competition.

JusticeSouldier · February 2020

Yes, adjust it please, each class should have stong and weak sides.

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

^ try playing templar and then your opinion will change. I 100% agree that templars are more powerful then DKs, NBs and magcro and stamsorcs. And magden in solo scenarios.
But they are not more powerful by any means then stamden, stamcro, magsorc. And magden (in group scenario). So if you are DK or NB ask to buff them and majority will agree. If you are warden or stamcro or magsorc and you complain on templars... i don't know, then you just want to nerf competition.

These 3 classes are weaker than magplar.
I can write why, but i already described all advantages of magplar above.
Any of them has no such universal and effective toolkit as magplar.
Maybe stamden, but...cast timed all 3 available burst ultimates, easy avoidable main burst skill, poor cc toolkit - sorry, no, no and again no if magplar is skilled player sure.
But the most issue is magplar's value in teamwork.
it's broken. Too invincible for all the things it provides himself and others.

MartiniDaniels · February 2020

JusticeSouldier wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

^ try playing templar and then your opinion will change. I 100% agree that templars are more powerful then DKs, NBs and magcro and stamsorcs. And magden in solo scenarios.
But they are not more powerful by any means then stamden, stamcro, magsorc. And magden (in group scenario). So if you are DK or NB ask to buff them and majority will agree. If you are warden or stamcro or magsorc and you complain on templars... i don't know, then you just want to nerf competition.

These 3 classes are weaker than magplar.
I can write why, but i already described all advantages of magplar above.
Any of them has no such universal and effective toolkit as magplar.
Maybe stamden, but...cast timed ultimates, easy avoidable main burst skill, sorry, no, no and again no if magplar is skilled player sure.
But the most issue is magplar's value in teamwork.
it's broken. Too invincible for all the things it provides himself and others.

And northern storm providing major protection for entire smallscale team is not powerful? and access to aoe major vulnerability+damage is not powerful? negate is not powerful? There are different builds and different situations where some class/build would be better. But to say that templar is most powerful class overall? No. Most versatile and "casual" - maybe, but not most powerful.

JusticeSouldier · February 2020

Yes, adjust it please, each class should have stong and weak sides.

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

JusticeSouldier wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

^ try playing templar and then your opinion will change. I 100% agree that templars are more powerful then DKs, NBs and magcro and stamsorcs. And magden in solo scenarios.
But they are not more powerful by any means then stamden, stamcro, magsorc. And magden (in group scenario). So if you are DK or NB ask to buff them and majority will agree. If you are warden or stamcro or magsorc and you complain on templars... i don't know, then you just want to nerf competition.

These 3 classes are weaker than magplar.
I can write why, but i already described all advantages of magplar above.
Any of them has no such universal and effective toolkit as magplar.
Maybe stamden, but...cast timed ultimates, easy avoidable main burst skill, sorry, no, no and again no if magplar is skilled player sure.
But the most issue is magplar's value in teamwork.
it's broken. Too invincible for all the things it provides himself and others.

And northern storm providing major protection for entire smallscale team is not powerful? and access to aoe major vulnerability+damage is not powerful? negate is not powerful? There are different builds and different situations where some class/build would be better. But to say that templar is most powerful class overall? No. Most versatile and "casual" - maybe, but not most powerful.

U say about skills, I say about toolkit.
Magplar's one is the most powerfull in current gamplay.
Which is absurd because this class is best healer in game already.

Iskiab · February 2020

No, don't touch my templar main, I like to play with one hand, with phone in another, while smoking

JusticeSouldier wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

^ try playing templar and then your opinion will change. I 100% agree that templars are more powerful then DKs, NBs and magcro and stamsorcs. And magden in solo scenarios.
But they are not more powerful by any means then stamden, stamcro, magsorc. And magden (in group scenario). So if you are DK or NB ask to buff them and majority will agree. If you are warden or stamcro or magsorc and you complain on templars... i don't know, then you just want to nerf competition.

These 3 classes are weaker than magplar.
I can write why, but i already described all advantages of magplar above.
Any of them has no such universal and effective toolkit as magplar.
Maybe stamden, but...cast timed all 3 available burst ultimates, easy avoidable main burst skill, poor cc toolkit - sorry, no, no and again no if magplar is skilled player sure.
But the most issue is magplar's value in teamwork.
it's broken. Too invincible for all the things it provides himself and others.

Make a Magplar. What you’re saying is wrong, but I don’t think you’ll see it until you play one and meet a good stamwarden or stamcro.

Any good stam class is a 50/50 whether you’ll survive when you’re hit with an onslaught. Someone who has the combo down can tear you down within 1 second.

JusticeSouldier · February 2020

Yes, adjust it please, each class should have stong and weak sides.

Iskiab wrote: »

JusticeSouldier wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

^ try playing templar and then your opinion will change. I 100% agree that templars are more powerful then DKs, NBs and magcro and stamsorcs. And magden in solo scenarios.
But they are not more powerful by any means then stamden, stamcro, magsorc. And magden (in group scenario). So if you are DK or NB ask to buff them and majority will agree. If you are warden or stamcro or magsorc and you complain on templars... i don't know, then you just want to nerf competition.

These 3 classes are weaker than magplar.
I can write why, but i already described all advantages of magplar above.
Any of them has no such universal and effective toolkit as magplar.
Maybe stamden, but...cast timed all 3 available burst ultimates, easy avoidable main burst skill, poor cc toolkit - sorry, no, no and again no if magplar is skilled player sure.
But the most issue is magplar's value in teamwork.
it's broken. Too invincible for all the things it provides himself and others.

Play one. What you’re saying is wrong, but I don’t think you’ll see it until you play one and meet a good stamwarden or stamcro.

I play magplar and stamplar. How many times should I repeat this?

technohic · February 2020

Magplar and magsorc feel like the only classes where there magicka side might match or beat the stam side. Is that a problem?

Seems to me, the other mag classes need to be brought up. DK as mag, I actually feel have better kill potential than sweeps in getting the stacks for whip with pressure from DOTs, then leap, followed by whip for burst but their crappy sustain requires more sustain to be built and it's really clunky to need 3 abilities used which are DOTs and not really spammable to get there. That isht needs to be figured out and improved rather than make sure all mag classes feel as bad.

xaraan · February 2020

No, don't touch my templar main, I like to play with one hand, with phone in another, while smoking

No. They are in a good spot. Maybe you could argue for a minor tweak here and there. I think the problem is that b/c jabs is useful now and a spammable and fun to use and easy to use, it's an easier class to get decent at. They definitely have their weaknesses and I can tell when I run into a player that knows what they are doing. And there are still a couple classes that feel stronger against my templar or when I'm playing that class in pvp myself.

I will say there are probably a given set of moves/skills to use to counter a templar once they've set you up (put up their buffs, potl u, start jabbing, use ulti, etc) and too many players don't take that action and just remain on course and get mad when they lose. This can happen vs any good player if you don't adjust. Also doesn't help when there are streamers preaching about stuff constantly whether they know what they are talking about or not. Much like I'd see pvp streamers whine about a zerg and be in one themselves, I see them whine about a templar and pull up a recap and have zero templar skills on there.

Iskiab · February 2020

No, don't touch my templar main, I like to play with one hand, with phone in another, while smoking

JusticeSouldier wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

JusticeSouldier wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

^ try playing templar and then your opinion will change. I 100% agree that templars are more powerful then DKs, NBs and magcro and stamsorcs. And magden in solo scenarios.
But they are not more powerful by any means then stamden, stamcro, magsorc. And magden (in group scenario). So if you are DK or NB ask to buff them and majority will agree. If you are warden or stamcro or magsorc and you complain on templars... i don't know, then you just want to nerf competition.

These 3 classes are weaker than magplar.
I can write why, but i already described all advantages of magplar above.
Any of them has no such universal and effective toolkit as magplar.
Maybe stamden, but...cast timed all 3 available burst ultimates, easy avoidable main burst skill, poor cc toolkit - sorry, no, no and again no if magplar is skilled player sure.
But the most issue is magplar's value in teamwork.
it's broken. Too invincible for all the things it provides himself and others.

Play one. What you’re saying is wrong, but I don’t think you’ll see it until you play one and meet a good stamwarden or stamcro.

I play magplar and stamplar. How many times should I repeat this?

Just playing one isn’t a good indication. Play until rank 20+ or so and you’ll start seeing some high MMR games.

I switched mains last patch and am just starting to get some high MMR matches now at a pvp tank of 23 or so. It’s fun making a new toon and going 20+ -0 when you first start against new players, but that’s doesn’t mean the class is the reason why you’re doing well. It’s against competent players that you see how good a class is.

Kalante · February 2020

Another...

Them healing others to full health when I burst them is so annoying. It's like this class was just made to be annoying. The healing is TOO MUCH.

hakan · February 2020

Yes, adjust it please, each class should have stong and weak sides.

Yeah, they nerfed dk and nb skills because they felt like they were overloaded. Then we have templar, warden with overloaded skills.

they just change meta on purpose. dont care about having balance or every class being somewhat viable at all.

theyll get nerfed. maybe around june? i dont know.

Iskiab · February 2020

No, don't touch my templar main, I like to play with one hand, with phone in another, while smoking

hakan wrote: »

Yeah, they nerfed dk and nb skills because they felt like they were overloaded. Then we have templar, warden with overloaded skills.

they just change meta on purpose. dont care about having balance or every class being somewhat viable at all.

theyll get nerfed. maybe around june? i dont know.

Agreed big time about NB, I’m not familiar enough with DK to say. There is one downside to templar though, squishier then all other classes except sorc. Lower stat pool.

Joy_Division · February 2020

JusticeSouldier wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

JusticeSouldier wrote: »

I create this poll to put some attention to the situation when class which is absolutly best support in game, who can indefinitely heal up himself whole group, provide resourses and most important buffs...also after Elsweyr launched - has best surviveability in game, best or one of the best sustain in game, very nice damage, fast cc charge (withh offbalance built in), fast range cc (spear), chiepest in game aoe burst ultimate (without casttime), resists and general tankiness (blocking and another passives, rituals), autodebuffing healing and damaging everyone "Living Darkness" and can't be debuffed because of Extended ritual...

If someone will want to call this "complaining", create please a table, where in one column u will write all strong sides of each class, in another one weak side...result will be interesting i garantee...I play on mag and stam templars and I'm bored and annoyed. Easy mode for me, especially at magplar last 3 patches. Battlegrounds show this very clear - 1 magicka templar completly changes the balance of whole match. But there are veryoften groups of 3 or 4 magplars at the same team. Premades gone and it's very nice... now time to take a look at class balance

You clearly aren't interested in a discussion about the subject, all you are saying is "I'm right, if you disagree with me you're wither a moron or biased, ZOS nerf this now!"

It's like the most anti-intellectual useless type of feedback there is and does nothing to strive for the very balance you seek. OK, we're big on learning the lessons of history right. Last year everyone complained about NBs being too strong and if you disagreed you were just a moron or biased. So nerf them and make the game balanced.

So ZOS nerfed them. Why don't you ask a nightblade player how that worked out. So what's the lesson we learn? Hey, that worked so well, let's do the same for Templars! But not for wardens even though their "strong" side chart is just as imbalanced as the Templar. To say nothing of Stam Necros, who are predominant in PvE and will be top tier in PvP as of the patch notes.

Well, with such "class representative" nothing strange we have such balance. And whole this "representatives" system is trash.
I guess u stucked at one of few only classes or playstyles, or in only specific content, or bored to play different classes and to compare them.
It doesn't work.
Only blind person can't see what's going on in battlegrounds for example.
How huge is value of magplars there and in similar conditions.
How tanky magplar is and how universal and strong is it's tookit.
1 magplar changes everything. And it's tanky af (exp one sure) + doing huge damage.

Or, biased abuser of holes in the system.
Like it was with premade advantages - it was during 3 years of asking Zenimax to separate premades from randoms, and everytime army of abusers wrote trash in style of "l2p", all fine, "we want to play in a team with friends to get fun" etc.

I feel u're first one.

On what the hell basement u decided that i'm not "interested in discussion the subject"?
And what is the sence of this your comment in general? Goal? Let's be true dude...

(And yes, nighblade's nerf was must. Not so strong, but it was needed. Same as magsorcs before. or dks in 2015. Because - BALANCE!)

I'd discuss this further, but I don;t understand what language this is because it isn't English.

JWillCHS · February 2020

I think Unstable Core/Living Dark had to be their biggest change in a long time. Much of the class was simply adjusted with minor fixes over time since the nerfs from the Morrowind chapter(and that's a while ago). I think one of the best fixes was to the Focus Rune. There was no stamina option, and the defensive buff was limited once you left it.

As the game changed the class just fell into a good spot without much effort especially during that brief DoT meta. If ZoS nerfs Templar I am pretty sure that you'll see a lot of unexpected nerfs in the game to some of the other things you enjoy.

Sorc, Templar, DK, Warden do pretty well in PvP regardless of the playstyle. I just think Magicka Necromancer(next patch) and Magicka Nightblade need a little love right now.

Kadoin · February 2020

Anything can be overpowered when you actually know how to play the game versus someone who does not. As for honest opinions, nearly every stam class is ahead of it by miles IMO.