SpiderKnight wrote: »

But nerf Templars one last time before this happens.

Nah, L2P the store is closed for requests.

SpiderKnight wrote: »

Elric_Ashborn wrote: »

SpiderKnight wrote: »

But nerf Templars one last time before this happens.

Nah, L2P the store is closed for requests.

I have learned to play, learned to jump on my magplar and kill pretty easily, this is from someone not so great at pvp.

You haven't killed me. Magplar is a joke when standing against me. Besides we know your not telling the truth.

idk wrote: »

Zos has been implementing their new vision for combat in ESO. That is the core of what is happening and it seems they are now more focused on balancing those changes they have implemented. While I think this should have all happened at a brisker pace and better communication of the big picture it should be completed, not stopped in a partial state.

I know, that's why now is a good time to stop and do what they claimed. Just fixes and performance.

A good rule of thumb is: anything, statement or opinion that is categorical and absolute is flawed.

Then nothing would be said, despite you agreeing largely with my post... But I should update to include "awhile" the nerf and buff are only part, as I stated - just changing the moves completely is also draining. These builds often take months to get skill like riding. Are we to wait to see? Every week I hold my breath.

idk wrote: »

Elric_Ashborn wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Zos has been implementing their new vision for combat in ESO. That is the core of what is happening and it seems they are now more focused on balancing those changes they have implemented. While I think this should have all happened at a brisker pace and better communication of the big picture it should be completed, not stopped in a partial state.

I know, that's why now is a good time to stop and do what they claimed. Just fixes and performance.

So you are suggesting Zos not complete the process, do a job half azz? That seems like a bad management decision. Pretty short sighted but you are permitted to have your opinion.

See there is the inherent issue. You assume when whatever it is they are doing is right. You also assume there is an end at all. The nerf and buff with each patch suggests that they don't know. Problems created with this patch will be lucky, very lucky to be fixed in 2020. Their process is just to slow. There are many skill that just plain don't do what they say in the tooltip. We may all very well wake up to a completely busted game. It's a very real possibility with this team. Like the Greymoor interview quote went "we just aren't going to fix it we can't" when talking about running on your horse. Why take a chance on the unknown?

Elric_Ashborn wrote: »

Why take a chance on the unknown?

K so we revert the game back to initial release and get rid of all added DLC and it becomes sub only because why take a chance on the unknown?

There's like 12+ large scale MMO's these days a few people leaving here and there is nowhere near the amount coming in and if you didn't know that this was going to happen with a CP rework announced then it's your own fault. The moment they announced a complete rework of the current end-game system it meant reworking literally everything else that builds up to it. Because that's how end game systems work, they are there to amplify what happened in early game.

K so we revert the game back to initial release and get rid of all added DLC and it becomes sub only because why take a chance on the unknown?

Except we know that doesn't work, in your sarcastic response you forgot to consider that. We do know THIS works.

There's like 12+ large scale MMO's these days a few people leaving here and there is nowhere near the amount coming in and if you didn't know that this was going to happen with a CP rework announced then it's your own fault. The moment they announced a complete rework of the current end-game system it meant reworking literally everything else that builds up to it. Because that's how end game systems work, they are there to amplify what happened in early game.

I have no idea what this could mean, it looks like rage type. Words are in there that don't go together. Please rephrase.

I'm here to express my disagreement. I like the balance swings, even if I don't like some patches (Scalebreaker, to be specific).

So you like rebuilding endlessly? You like skills converted into something wildly and completely different? You like redoing the same quests dozens if not hundreds of times? ...to each his own I guess. I can safely say most people do not, even in your post you express annoyance/discomfort. It's also safe to say you don't actually disagree.

I like the frequency of changes honestly, it keeps the game fresh when you have to learn some new rotation or farm new gear. Only the impact of the changes needs some adjusting, big buffs followed by big nerfs happen too often. Gradual small changes are key to success here, it’ll take longer to achieve balance but it’ll avoid all the wild imbalance we’re currently getting.

The DoT buff saw Magdens move to 2nd best Magicka dps spot, now we’re last by a fair margin thanks to the subsequent DoT nerf. That’s frustrating.

I largely agree with the OP and Im a huge fan of ESO and am usually overwhelmingly positive. They are damaging their brand. Any skill or set the actually works is aggressively sought out and smashed by the nerf hammer in some kind of insane game of whack-a-mole.

Build fatigue is real. If you get on the PTS and test this stuff more and more you have to scrounge around to try to replace something that’s been rendered useless and your only options are a bunch of things that have already been gimped.

I’m really starting to get annoyed. I used to not understand people getting so pissed at this game but I’m starting to get it.

The year was filled with wiled swings is because they are instead of feeling, the team is trying a more organized approached to balancing. Dedicated damage philosophies are being put in place to better react to knee jerk balance.

The reasons for this year of balance tips has been them try to rectify what those philosophies should be. I don't not totally agree with blanket balance and not weighing the skills and classes uniquely but that will be most likely (if they are actually trying) the next set of rounds.

If correct, standardization is the first step to creating strong unique classes.

Let's look at just a simple example:

Entropy and venomous claw(claw). They were initially balanced together. Which was not balanced. Entropy was slottable for all classes and was ranged with equal damage distribution. This is while claw was melee and severely back loaded.

Nerfing both equally is nonsensical. They then worked the claw to push it further than the standard dot damage philosophies. Now was it enough or not is not apart of the argument.

The team might do this further with the classes and skill. That's is a future concern but the swing of balance I agree has been almost violent but it's was because standardization on game balance has no universal constants to start from.

I hate losing friends and I'm sorry you lost them. Maybe they will come back or not. But play the game you enjoy. If this isn't it or if your patience is gone. Take a break. Or change your view on the game core promises, which like many players including myself are skewed from the developer perceived core promises.

Elric_Ashborn wrote: »

Elf Bane - hell yeah

We will see on that one, Zaan ticks for 30K a sec. It might completely break the game.....

Purge or break tether. You have to see the fire tether for 10 seconds before it hits for 30k at which point you might deserve that amount of damage.

It might even make the set less relevant as it might train players to break the tether.

I don't see it as a potential problem as most fire dots are so weak it's not worth wearing Elf Bane for just your monster set unless you want to only potentially kill 1 player every 18 seconds. You're going to use Burning Embers often to empower the molten Whip and with the changes to Off Balance, there's no point to Flame Lash.

Everything points to Elf Bane having a use for PvE not PvP. You think you can flame reach/burning embers/flames of oblivion /unstable wall of elements/eruption an opponent to death? Not gonna happen. Even adding shifting standard to the mix doesn't make Elf Bane worth wearing.

Remember, using Elf Bane is an opportunity cost for another damage set. Your abilities last longer but don't hit as hard. I play dk in PvP and def won't use Elf Bane. For PvE though, it looks sexy af!

The year was filled with wiled swings is because they are instead of feeling, the team is trying a more organized approached to balancing. Dedicated damage philosophies are being put in place to better react to knee jerk balance.

I think your are confusing what you'd like for them to do, and what is really happening. If this were true we wouldn't have -any- changes to the skill after the initial change. Looks to me like a bunch of knee jerking. Take Iceheart, a staple, even in their patch notes. Instead of trying to work in tandum with the new sets they simply knee jerk remove and nerf it into dust.

Purge or break tether. You have to see the fire tether for 10 seconds before it hits for 30k at which point you might deserve that amount of damage.

Remember, using Elf Bane is an opportunity cost for another damage set. Your abilities last longer but don't hit as hard. I play dk in PvP and def won't use Elf Bane. For PvE though, it looks sexy af!

This is not really true, you must not main a DK. Zaan, Claw, and others increase damage and healing. Lasting longer means long fights your casting less, means more DPS.

Zaan will still be an issue, as in PvE it will tick the entire amount, and if you look at DPS for PvE and PVP on paper it's absurd. You can't argue skill, that's not Bethesda approach to balance. You can roll, bash, and CC pretty much any skill.

Also, this is my opinion but it is based on good management practices that one completes a process rather than leave it is such a poor middle state.

Your also talking as if this game is in Beta. We are going on six years, major changes should have been done years ago. We should not be "in the middle" of anything.

They needed a combat change a long time ago, where things are layered on top of basic mechanics, but I don't think they're going in the right direction. They should have added tertiary stats and redid the champion tree first, then deleted half the sets in the game.

The other huge problem I have is just how they go about doing these changes. People were comparing the new monster set to Iceheart, so instead of making it work, and giving both value - they steamroll it. That is there approach to all content both now, and in the future... If something is in the way of the "new" content, it will be nerf into un-viability. The nice way to say they are deleting it. It's how they tackle these I take issue with, it's just plain not good enough.