Are templars (especially magicka) overpowered in PvP in compare to another classes?

JusticeSouldier · February 2020

I create this poll to put some attention to the situation when class which is absolutly best support in game, who can indefinitely heal up himself whole group, provide resourses and most important buffs...also after Elsweyr launched - has best surviveability in game, best or one of the best sustain in game, very nice damage, fast cc charge (withh offbalance built in), fast range cc (spear), chiepest in game aoe burst ultimate (without casttime), resists and general tankiness (blocking and another passives, rituals), autodebuffing healing and damaging everyone "Living Darkness" and can't be debuffed because of Extended ritual...

If someone will want to call this "complaining", create please a table, where in one column u will write all strong sides of each class, in another one weak side...result will be interesting i garantee...I play on mag and stam templars and I'm bored and annoyed. Easy mode for me, especially at magplar last 3 patches. Battlegrounds show this very clear - 1 magicka templar completly changes the balance of whole match. But there are veryoften groups of 3 or 4 magplars at the same team. Premades gone and it's very nice... now time to take a look at class balance

MartiniDaniels · February 2020

Templar is very good now, but warden is not weaker by any means. Some specs of other classes are powerful as well and it is clearly stamcro will be rocking in U25. So you should ask for buffs of under-performing specs instead of nerf of good specs.
Because if you want to balance with nerfs, you need to nerf whole bunch of sets, class abilities, general abilities and so on.

Iskiab · February 2020

No, don't touch my templar main, I like to play with one hand, with phone in another, while smoking

It’s a good class but it’s not an I-win class by any means. All the terrible magplars out there should be evidence enough.

They’re just a mag class that’s in the top tier along with Stamwarden, StamNecro, Stamplar and Magsorc.

UppGRAYxDD · February 2020

Just look at the voting categories... if you want non biased opinions, don’t make your title and thread poll biased. This is the aged old “ my opinion is X, change my mind”...and after reading your poll, I feel your mind is already set. Therefore this is a nerf thread. Change my mind.

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JusticeSouldier · February 2020

Yes, adjust it please, each class should have stong and weak sides.

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

Just look at the voting categories... if you want non biased opinions, don’t make your title and thread poll biased. This is the aged old “ my opinion is X, change my mind”...and after reading your poll, I feel your mind is already set. Therefore this is a nerf thread. Change my mind.

I'm not journalist to write non-"biased" things.
My interest is in balance of different classes.
Templar has too many advantages, which is incredibly wrong thing because best healing class in game should not be invincible, it should have weak side/s.
And, actually mag templar (and slightly magwarden) are reasons why premade groups in battlegrounds are so strong...they just have magplars built into the team always...as a secondary valuable advantage after voice coordination and complementary builds. but enouch about premade.
magplars are too tanky, damageable, overhealing and has too many very effective tools in their kit at the same time.

To call thread "another nerf thread" is destructive manipulation.

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idk · February 2020

Poll is clearly biased. OP starts off explaining how they think the class is over powered and gives their opinions in different area (without actual detail mind you) and that is clearly intended to set the tone for the poll. Then the answers are intentionally biased by design. Looking at them they just scream prejudice.

Drdeath20 · February 2020

Another...

Battlegrounds best suits an average player on a templar bcz

1. There are places where a knockback is actually useful.
2. Other than team deathmatch ganking, kitting and bombing are not well rewarded
3. 500 point medal for medic

Other mag classes are stronger than a templar in duels, or have better group utility than a templar in cyrodil or fit BiS roles in powerful groups but for the average player, a templar is easier to score well with in battlegrounds.

A magsorc is much stronger 1v1 in both duels and cyrodil. Magsorcs have negate which is the best way ultimate for ball group killing. Zoo builds. Magsorcs have much better tool kit all around.

idk · February 2020

JusticeSouldier wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Poll is clearly biased. OP starts off explaining how they think the class is over powered and gives their opinions in different area (without actual detail mind you) and that is clearly intended to set the tone for the poll. Then the answers are intentionally biased by design. Looking at them they just scream prejudice.

yes, "biased". i want class balance. I described the reason why created poll.
ARGUMENTATION DUDE!

First, you provided nothing real about balance just your opinions with zero basis. In other words, you are not even speaking to balance and only speaking to your opinions. The result is a completely meaningless poll.

It is funny you are calling me argumentation dude when I merely pointed out the flaws and fallacies of the OP., Seems more you were seeking the argument here with such a clearly tainted poll that you even admit is biased.

Edit: Just look at the other responses. Most of us seem to be on the same page concerning the approach in the OP>

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UppGRAYxDD · February 2020

😂 edited to remove demands 😂

Vig0rz · February 2020

Another...

I don't think the problem is templar directly. Yes, templar is a very very very strong class right now, but if you took away the undeath passive, sword and board, and IF healing took a nerf then the class wouldn't be anywhere near how strong it is right now. The ability to mitigate damage so well with things like s&b and the undeath passive is the reason why classes start to become unkillable tanks. I'd start by making changes to other over preforming skills and passives such as the undeath passives or every single sword and board passive. The fact that sword and board is so dominant on both mag and stam is a huge problem at the moment.
I think it's also fair to say all magic healing in general is very strong. Magsorc pet healing is just beyond out of control and mutagen makes me quesiton why vigor still doesn't even heal at least one other person. I do think purify could be toned down slightly since combo-ed with other things like mutagen it can be way too strong. I think the root of the problem is just healing.

idk · February 2020

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Battlegrounds best suits an average player on a templar bcz

1. There are places where a knockback is actually useful.
2. Other than team deathmatch ganking, kitting and bombing are not well rewarded
3. 500 point medal for medic

Other mag classes are stronger than a templar in duels, or have better group utility than a templar in cyrodil or fit BiS roles in powerful groups but for the average player, a templar is easier to score well with in battlegrounds.

A magsorc is much stronger 1v1 in both duels and cyrodil. Magsorcs have negate which is the best way ultimate for ball group killing. Zoo builds. Magsorcs have much better tool kit all around.

This says much. However, I would add that disparity in player skill leads to a massive difference regardless of which mode, duel, BGs, Cryodiil.

Czekoludek · February 2020

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Templars are great, really powerful and fun now. The problem is, many classes are weak, nerfed by ZoS to the ground. We should BUFF weak classes that are not so fun to play, not nerf the good ones. Stop with this endless circle of nerfs, without it every class would bring something to the table and be interesting, full of unique, niche builds

JusticeSouldier · February 2020

Yes, adjust it please, each class should have stong and weak sides.

Czekoludek wrote: »

Templars are great, really powerful and fun now. The problem is, many classes are weak, nerfed by ZoS to the ground. We should BUFF weak classes that are not so fun to play, not nerf the good ones. Stop with this endless circle of nerfs, without it every class would bring something to the table and be interesting, full of unique, niche builds

or this sure

TheUndeadAmulet · February 2020

No, don't touch my templar main, I like to play with one hand, with phone in another, while smoking

As of now, the only classes that have a full toolkit are templars, stamden and (to a lesser extent) stamcro. The reason why templar feels so so strong is because they actually have a full toolkit. Give every other class a full toolkit first, then if templar is still top strong, nerf.

x48rph · February 2020

Another...

Ok so like I main a templar and I do love it but honestly, my biggest complaint when I play against them is almost every other gap closer has had the stun stripped from it but yet some how we still have toppling charge which stuns, sets off balance, and if they are casting interrupts. Personally I'd prefer if they gave the stuns back to other classes but I'd doubt that would happen. As it is, you gap close on a templar and stun and of course as they are breaking free your already hitting them with jabs and snaring them which just seems like alot at once.

oXI_Viper_IXo · February 2020

Why bother making a poll? I don't main or even play a magplar, but they are not overpowered.

JusticeSouldier · February 2020

Yes, adjust it please, each class should have stong and weak sides.

The same situation was in "remove premades from bgs".
there were so many players who wrote, nooo, l2p weak randoms, everything in your hands, despite opponents were both randoms and those who played in premade groups but wasn't satisfied of no challenge there.

Magplar is strongest class last few patches after Elsweyr released.
It's the only class where u can create a build which is usable for absolutly everything in pvp...
U don't need to think much about opponent, no sense... u have all the tools required for everything.

Once again, this thread is "biased", if ask for class balance is "biased". nerf of templars, or up of another classes, there is claerly no difference for me, it's ask for gamepley to fit Logo of eso.

JusticeSouldier · February 2020

Yes, adjust it please, each class should have stong and weak sides.

oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »

Why bother making a poll?

why not?

oXI_Viper_IXo · February 2020

JusticeSouldier wrote: »

oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »

Why bother making a poll?

why not?

Because it's obvious that you don't care for anyone's actual opinion and you're just trying to push your biased agenda on everyone else.

Drdeath20 · February 2020

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x48rph wrote: »

Ok so like I main a templar and I do love it but honestly, my biggest complaint when I play against them is almost every other gap closer has had the stun stripped from it but yet some how we still have toppling charge which stuns, sets off balance, and if they are casting interrupts. Personally I'd prefer if they gave the stuns back to other classes but I'd doubt that would happen. As it is, you gap close on a templar and stun and of course as they are breaking free your already hitting them with jabs and snaring them which just seems like alot at once.

But your looking at their toolkit through a microscope instead of as a whole. Most templars use piercing javelin over focused charge. Costs the same, both have a CC effect, javelin helps busts tanks and there is actually spots to knock opponents into lava or off a cliff.

No root, no class major sorcery (which is very important when it comes to BGs [have to either wear rattlecage, use degeneration or use a potion for it, instead of a more powerful potion]).

Every mag class can go offensive bar and defensive bar. The real upside i see for a magplar over any other class is they can be great (not the best) casters or great (not the best) up close builds for BGs which i can easily swap from depending on the map.

Ratzkifal · February 2020

I sometimes feel like magicka templar beats stamina templar in 1v1 every time, because the magicka templar spammable is also a heal, so they can keep the pressure up while mirroring you in every other aspect except that in Battlegrounds their javelin can knock you off a ledge as well.

Compared to other classes, you still have some unique attacks the magplar can't match, but in a stamplar vs magplar fight I just don't see how stamplar can even hope to win. Please share if you got tips.

UppGRAYxDD · February 2020

Ratzkifal wrote: »

I sometimes feel like magicka templar beats stamina templar in 1v1 every time, because the magicka templar spammable is also a heal, so they can keep the pressure up while mirroring you in every other aspect except that in Battlegrounds their javelin can knock you off a ledge as well.

Compared to other classes, you still have some unique attacks the magplar can't match, but in a stamplar vs magplar fight I just don't see how stamplar can even hope to win. Please share if you got tips.

Pol, onslaught, jabs, then profit...

idk · February 2020

oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »

Why bother making a poll? I don't main or even play a magplar, but they are not overpowered.

It is more why bother making a poll that is so obviously biased under the guise of wanting balance. Seems backwards since Zos probably sees obviously biased polls for what they are and moves on quickly.

MartiniDaniels · February 2020

Ratzkifal wrote: »

I sometimes feel like magicka templar beats stamina templar in 1v1 every time, because the magicka templar spammable is also a heal, so they can keep the pressure up while mirroring you in every other aspect except that in Battlegrounds their javelin can knock you off a ledge as well.

Compared to other classes, you still have some unique attacks the magplar can't match, but in a stamplar vs magplar fight I just don't see how stamplar can even hope to win. Please share if you got tips.

Ratzkifal · February 2020

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

I sometimes feel like magicka templar beats stamina templar in 1v1 every time, because the magicka templar spammable is also a heal, so they can keep the pressure up while mirroring you in every other aspect except that in Battlegrounds their javelin can knock you off a ledge as well.

Compared to other classes, you still have some unique attacks the magplar can't match, but in a stamplar vs magplar fight I just don't see how stamplar can even hope to win. Please share if you got tips.

Pol, onslaught, jabs, then profit...

@UppGRAYxDD Usually when I do that, they dodgeroll Onslaught or heal away the hit with one BoL.
For reference, what sets are you running?

Ratzkifal · February 2020

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

I sometimes feel like magicka templar beats stamina templar in 1v1 every time, because the magicka templar spammable is also a heal, so they can keep the pressure up while mirroring you in every other aspect except that in Battlegrounds their javelin can knock you off a ledge as well.

Compared to other classes, you still have some unique attacks the magplar can't match, but in a stamplar vs magplar fight I just don't see how stamplar can even hope to win. Please share if you got tips.

@MartiniDaniels Now I really feel like my sets are the issue. My Onslaughts are nowhere near that big. Maybe with a crit, but my crit chance is pretty low, so back to having the wrong build.

Drdeath20 · February 2020

Another...

Ratzkifal wrote: »

I sometimes feel like magicka templar beats stamina templar in 1v1 every time, because the magicka templar spammable is also a heal, so they can keep the pressure up while mirroring you in every other aspect except that in Battlegrounds their javelin can knock you off a ledge as well.

Compared to other classes, you still have some unique attacks the magplar can't match, but in a stamplar vs magplar fight I just don't see how stamplar can even hope to win. Please share if you got tips.

Stamplars have a much stronger toolkit.

Magplars have to use vamps bane to activate major prophecy where jabs has major savagery attached.

Focused charge + purifying ritual still works on either build

Vigor + rally are guranteed heals, where regeneration + BoL are random if teamates are nearby

Onslaught

Executioner > jesus beam

PoTL > purifying ritual

UppGRAYxDD · February 2020

Ratzkifal wrote: »

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

I sometimes feel like magicka templar beats stamina templar in 1v1 every time, because the magicka templar spammable is also a heal, so they can keep the pressure up while mirroring you in every other aspect except that in Battlegrounds their javelin can knock you off a ledge as well.

Compared to other classes, you still have some unique attacks the magplar can't match, but in a stamplar vs magplar fight I just don't see how stamplar can even hope to win. Please share if you got tips.

Pol, onslaught, jabs, then profit...

@UppGRAYxDD Usually when I do that, they dodgeroll Onslaught or heal away the hit with one BoL.
For reference, what sets are you running?

Pol, javelin, onslaught, jabs... sry forgot the CC 😊

MartiniDaniels · February 2020

Ratzkifal wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

I sometimes feel like magicka templar beats stamina templar in 1v1 every time, because the magicka templar spammable is also a heal, so they can keep the pressure up while mirroring you in every other aspect except that in Battlegrounds their javelin can knock you off a ledge as well.

Compared to other classes, you still have some unique attacks the magplar can't match, but in a stamplar vs magplar fight I just don't see how stamplar can even hope to win. Please share if you got tips.

@MartiniDaniels Now I really feel like my sets are the issue. My Onslaughts are nowhere near that big. Maybe with a crit, but my crit chance is pretty low, so back to having the wrong build.

34k is some crazy scenario of course, but typical 6k WD onslaught against PVP-er hits for 9-12k from what I see. Magplar doesn't have anything comparable in terms of ultimate and magplar doesn't have instant execute. Overall templar (both) is powerful against slow targets who like to block. Against somebody with major evasion and regular roll-dodges jabs aren't that effective... so basically if your typical magplar is S&B blocker and you use either shuffle or BRP DW, his jabs won't hit you as much as yours will hit him.

JusticeSouldier · February 2020

Yes, adjust it please, each class should have stong and weak sides.

Ratzkifal wrote: »

I sometimes feel like magicka templar beats stamina templar in 1v1 every time, because the magicka templar spammable is also a heal, so they can keep the pressure up while mirroring you in every other aspect except that in Battlegrounds their javelin can knock you off a ledge as well.

Compared to other classes, you still have some unique attacks the magplar can't match, but in a stamplar vs magplar fight I just don't see how stamplar can even hope to win. Please share if you got tips.

Worst thing is magplar is insanely usefull member of team in terms of healing, buffs, but at the same time it providee insane damage and surviveability...it shouldn't be in such way, it's broken balance

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