Mount in combat

Xnemesis · April 2014

For the love of god if I want to mount up while in combat then let me mount up. The you cant mount because in combat thing is *** and makes traveling in pvp a pain in the arse. Also if I get knocked off my horse and stun the guy who knocked me off I want to be able to mount up and keep heading on my merry way. Fleeing is a valid tactic of combat when you are trying to avoid the ganksquad and get back to a siege. Seems a bit unrealistic and immersion breaking imo to not be able to get on your horse whenever you want amiright?

Mobius0 · April 2014

I don't agree that you should be able to mount in combat.

But I do wish they would fix the bug, that anyone you kill keeps you in combat.

awkwarrd · April 2014

Mobius0 wrote: »

I don't agree that you should be able to mount in combat.

But I do wish they would fix the bug, that anyone you kill keeps you in combat.

Why not?
You can disagree but atleast backup your statement with a valid reason.
Comments like this can be considered trolling especially if you donot PVP.
Alot of PVE players come into these PVP forums and complain.. for no reason other than to troll, which i suspect this comment is.

The combat bug is a bug, and you're stuck in combat for as long as that corpse stays where you killed it.

But you also get the bug after taking a resource around a tower.

I ask you @Mobius0
WHY, is not being able to mount because of combat a good thing?

WHY, is being able to mount while in combat a good thing?

I hope you can answer those 2 questions without being foolish.

You don't have to answer, but i will consider you a troll in the PVP forums if you don't, and all subsequent replies to your comments will be as such.

Mobius0 · April 2014

awkwarrd wrote: »

Mobius0 wrote: »

I don't agree that you should be able to mount in combat.

But I do wish they would fix the bug, that anyone you kill keeps you in combat.

Why not?
You can disagree but atleast backup your statement with a valid reason.
Comments like this can be considered trolling especially if you donot PVP.
Alot of PVE players come into these PVP forums and complain.. for no reason other than to troll, which i suspect this comment is.

The combat bug is a bug, and you're stuck in combat for as long as that corpse stays where you killed it.

But you also get the bug after taking a resource around a tower.

I ask you @Mobius0
WHY, is not being able to mount because of combat a good thing?

WHY, is being able to mount while in combat a good thing?

I hope you can answer those 2 questions without being foolish.

You don't have to answer, but i will consider you a troll in the PVP forums if you don't, and all subsequent replies to your comments will be as such.

A troll is someone who says negative things to illicit a response - EXACTLY what you just did in this post.

I'd have gladly given reasons, but your post pissed me off enough, that I won't. I could care less if you think I'm a troll. This "troll" hopes to see you on the battlefield.

awkwarrd · April 2014

@Mobius0
Whatever..
You gave no reasons then and you gave no reasons now.
You sir are trolling.

Mobius0 · April 2014

awkwarrd wrote: »

@Mobius0
Whatever..
You gave no reasons then and you gave no reasons now.
You sir are trolling.

Actually, I was posting from my phone.

awkwarrd · April 2014

Does that make a difference?

LadyChaos · April 2014

Mobius0 wrote: »

I don't agree that you should be able to mount in combat.

But I do wish they would fix the bug, that anyone you kill keeps you in combat.

exactly how I feel myself. I keep some speed bonus on bar just to counter this, weather it is class/PvP/deadric lines etc... but it's annoying as hell... no horse in combat IMO.

shap707ub17_ESO · April 2014

Dont know about mounting in combat, but the timer after doing anything that already puts you in combat needs to be WAY shorter.. I mean you should be out of comment almost instantly after killing someone, not 30 seconds or a minute or whatever it is currently.

beravinprb19_ESO · April 2014

I was so tempted to make this thread myself. If you mount up in when you are actually in combat, then all you are going to do is give the enemy a free stun and help them kill you that much faster. However, if you are not in combat, then you will be able to actually use that mount you have spent so much gold on. Besides, this feels needed when even the corpse of the guy you just killed can keep you locked in combat.

awkwarrd · April 2014

So.. child-proof PVP mounting.
Sounds legit.

ESO gaming for all ages, even infants.

Not sure how people would try to mount mid-fight, but im glad you all like ESO not letting you guys make mistakes and learn from them.
Meanwhile having glitches with the anti-combat-mount safety-lock

It's like that car door switch, that only lets parents open it from the outside so kids can't open the door and fall out, pretty much exactly this.

Xnemesis · April 2014

That was pretty much my thinking. If you can mount whenever then people will naturally learn when and when not to mount. I just hate getting knocked off my horse, killing the guy, and then having to run the rest of the way to my destination because im stuck in combat. No rules to mounting would fix all of these issues plus give you some risk/reward in choosing to mount when you probably shouldn't.

Wolfaen · April 2014

I can't really think of one reason mounting in combat would be a negative thing. It would be a risk/reward thing if there was actually combat going on around you, but it would be up to the player to make that choice. The stuck in combat thing is rather annoying currently and I definitely think the time you are in combat should be reduced after fighting is over.

Mobius0 · April 2014

Mounts will eventually be as high as +75% speed.

This means that if you are running from enemies, and have not played long enough to reach level 50 light horse, you'd have no chance of ever escaping.

Not having horses in combat balances speed in combat, since everyone's base speed is the same, unlike horses.

Also, pursuers don't have to worry about being dismounted.

My main concern has to do with people using it to PERSUE. You'll never escape a fight if people can mount in combat!

Xnemesis · April 2014

If they are going to mount up to chase you then dismount them and reap the benefits of an assisted dismount lol everything is risk/reward

Mobius0 · April 2014

Xnemesis wrote: »

If they are going to mount up to chase you then dismount them and reap the benefits of an assisted dismount lol everything is risk/reward

Not going to work unless you are running from only 1 person.

awkwarrd · April 2014

That would be the purpose of mounting yes?

Everyone will eventually have a max level mount.
It works both ways.
If the guys chasing you donot have a higher level mount, you can outrun them.

It seems that only a sorc would not like this kind of thing.

Mobius0 · April 2014

The chasers would simply force you to dismount. So they would have the upper hand.

It just adds another form of speed and level imbalance.

It also would make +speed abilities less useful. Like sprint speed/cost bonuses, speed pots, and other activated abilities. Why sprint when you can mount and be faster?

I'm not saying they would be made useless, mind you. Just less usefull.

And would you stop with the antagonizing jabs? I'm a NB, just FYI.

beravinprb19_ESO · April 2014

Either way, horses need to be more useful than they are now. I've been in situations where I am with a group, moving to an objective. We come across a lone enemy on the trail, and proceed to butcher him. Now the whole group is slowed because those who killed him cant get back on their mounts. If there are no enemies around, then there is no combat.

Mobius0 · April 2014

beravinprb19_ESO wrote: »

Either way, horses need to be more useful than they are now. I've been in situations where I am with a group, moving to an objective. We come across a lone enemy on the trail, and proceed to butcher him. Now the whole group is slowed because those who killed him cant get back on their mounts for the next 2 minutes. "You are in combat" my ass.

Thus why I said what I did in the second half of my first post.

I'd suggest you look at my original post about it, that I made when I first discovered the cause of this issue:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/76752/getting-back-into-stealth-bug#latest

awkwarrd · April 2014

Mobius0 wrote: »

Why sprint when you can mount and be faster?

@mobius0
Because sprint is something you do in a fight/combat situation.
You won't mount while fighting a player, and having the real possibility of being dismounted.
People who want the "cannot mount while in combat" are people who PVP, and know that after a fight, they find themself running around for a long while after, without the option to mount until the timer has gone or the dead player releases.

It is purely player perspective and how said player wants to commit to the fight, there is no min/max in regards to travel in Cyradiil, mounts are a necessary thing.

Mounts level up and get faster, EVERYONES does.. just because that person played a little longer makes no difference in the travel time, if he is able to run you down, and you cant dismount and stealth, then he is probably going to rip you apart because of his level gap anyway.

If player wants to take the risk of being dismounted and stunned for those seconds and probably die, then the choice was his.
Not because a child safety mount lock was placed there to protect him from making a poor PVP choice at whatever situation it was.

Picking a specific point in Cyradiil to argue about like Mounting in Combat, and using the level gap and time frame as the reason, is a bad one, because you would be opening yourself up to MULTIPLES of other complaints and reasons why the argument fails.
Ill give you examples:

The vr10 can kill any lower level player, and the vr10 will have a mount.
The level 50 buff for low level players is weak compared to vr10 players.
The gold gains from PVP to purchase a mount is a joke.
PVE wins in PVP, in all aspects, even in resources.
There is no PVP specific/only mount.
EXP gains in PVP are bad, and PVE will beat you, and they can afford a horse.
Soulgems are easy to get in PVE.
PVE doesn't have a problem with stuck in combat.

I could go on..
But all of those things can be based on the level gap and /played gap a PVP person will have to deal with, mounts are just one of the many issues, and not being able to use your mount in a COMBAT ENVIRONMENT, because some mechanic won't allow it, is silly, the player dictates how he lives/fights/dies, not giving him the options to do so is another fail in the system.

Oblongship · April 2014

Xnemesis wrote: »

For the love of god if I want to mount up while in combat then let me mount up. The you cant mount because in combat thing is *** and makes traveling in pvp a pain in the arse. Also if I get knocked off my horse and stun the guy who knocked me off I want to be able to mount up and keep heading on my merry way. Fleeing is a valid tactic of combat when you are trying to avoid the ganksquad and get back to a siege. Seems a bit unrealistic and immersion breaking imo to not be able to get on your horse whenever you want amiright?

You should never be able to mount in combat....My gosh I can only think of the abuse...

Mobius0 · April 2014

awkwarrd wrote: »

Mobius0 wrote: »

Why sprint when you can mount and be faster?

@mobius0
Because sprint is something you do in a fight/combat situation.
You won't mount while fighting a player, and having the real possibility of being dismounted.
People who want the "cannot mount while in combat" are people who PVP, and know that after a fight, they find themself running around for a long while after, without the option to mount until the timer has gone or the dead player releases.

Again, didn't I mention several times how I am talking about the persuer?

You would not need to sprint to PERSUE.

But even in regards to fleeing - you would be LESS dependent on speed skills, because once you got far enough away to safely mount, that's all you'd need. Whereas, without the ability to mount in combat, you'd have had to sprint further to get away.

awkwarrd · April 2014

So basically, aslong as your a sorc this "no-combat-mount" thing is ok?

Wanna speak for the rest of the class's?

Funkitron · April 2014

I'd be alright with this. If you have a faster horse you should be able to charge people down on it. That's kind of the point.

Also, considering how easy it is to dismount someone, having people jump on a horse to try get away when you're anywhere near enemies would be a deathwish anyway.

Daracon_Rage · April 2014

shap707ub17_ESO wrote: »

Dont know about mounting in combat, but the timer after doing anything that already puts you in combat needs to be WAY shorter.. I mean you should be out of comment almost instantly after killing someone, not 30 seconds or a minute or whatever it is currently.

I thought this was a bug haha

Sykotik_ESO · April 2014

It is a bug I think caused by a mutual engagement and dead player not respawning, its not a timed thing.

maryriv · May 2015

I agree, NOTHING should be restricted just because you are in combat, if you want to mount, or pick flowers while someone is attacking you then GOOD LUCK. Otherwise it's an unnecessary restriction.

Dositheus · May 2015

I think mounting in combat would be great. They need to still have the mechanic of a stun if you get knocked off your horse though. It would make for interesting mechanics of people knocking persuers off their horses and killing them while "fleeing". And also make the anti-calvary caltrop actually worth taking. I could totally see a sorc trolling the *** out of a raid who tries to run after him on horses with caltrops and then aoe into the stunned mass.