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Zenimax stop leaving out requirements.
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Salix_alba✭✭✭✭f1 for the help menu in game is that what you wanted?
also in settings press esc in game i forget which sub menu but there is an option for in game tutorials?
as for the forum https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/60843 these are the forum rules
are you asking how to get eso+ if that's what you want then go to the account page under store and eso+ is available for purchase there.
is any of this what you are asking because for the life of me i cant tell what you want from the original post2 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭pompusnord wrote: »Anotherone773 wrote: »pompusnord wrote: »
That's a terrbile design choice. I do not talk to quest givers in a new area I go into. A tutorial for Cyrodiil does not belong on an NPC in the form of a quest because a player has the possibility of skipping it due to their play style. Not wanting to pick up a quest such as myself becomes a problem there is nothing denoting it's an actual tutorial. People are acting like everyone must pick up every quest and cannot see how easily important things can be missed due to different people playing differently. Not everyone is going to talk to every quest giver they see for various reasons. and to act like someone is supposed to and it's their fault for missing the tutorial is dumb. It's the devs fault I missed the tutorial. and not because I didn't talk to an NPC quest giver. The game designer should deign the game with this type of situation and not from the I assume stance.There is a help section in the game, there might be some info for pvp. Cyrodiil tutorial quest giver is first npc who you see when you arrive in Cyrodiil.
The tutorial for Cyrodiil requires a player to actually know it's there (Which it doesn't) A real tutorial would be as follows, as soon as you enter Cyrodiil, the game freezes and a big pop up comes in the middle of the screen telling the player THIS IS THE TUTORIAL. and you cannot skip it until you go through it.
This crap of placing things in game with assumptions and things a player can easily miss because the game designer didn't bother talking into account someone who plays the game the way I do.. is just a really bad design..
In fact I bet that if i do go back into Cyrodiil and talked to every NPC there is I still wouldn't have a clue as to the tutorial.
So i can see from all of your posts here and what little sense i was able to make out of them, that we are not qualified to help you. I have thus decided to provide you with a link that i think might be able to help you. Simply click here.
I'll sum it up then
Everyone who plays this game and on this forum full well knows that, this game has no instructions. .
Except the first reply to your post I linked you instructions for what seemed to be what you were talking about. Those are official instructions in the help/support section of the ESO website.
In the upper left hand corner of this website, these forums, is a little word Support. If you click on it and type into the search bar "How do I join the PTS" or "How do I access the PTS" and click return then a series of possible help articles appear. Ironically with either string I provided the article linked in my first post in this thread appears at the top of the list. It works great if you use it.
Another means that works great is a google search of "ESO how to I access the PTS". Odd enough that same link I previously provided is the top result returned. In either case it is instructions provided by Zos.
Edit: So yes, Zos provided the Support you requested. Just have to click on Support to get it.Edited by idk on January 29, 2020 7:47AM2 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Siohwenoeht wrote: »I'm certain @Raisin just won the thread. Lol
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Anotherone773✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭pompusnord wrote: »Anotherone773 wrote: »pompusnord wrote: »
That's a terrbile design choice. I do not talk to quest givers in a new area I go into. A tutorial for Cyrodiil does not belong on an NPC in the form of a quest because a player has the possibility of skipping it due to their play style. Not wanting to pick up a quest such as myself becomes a problem there is nothing denoting it's an actual tutorial. People are acting like everyone must pick up every quest and cannot see how easily important things can be missed due to different people playing differently. Not everyone is going to talk to every quest giver they see for various reasons. and to act like someone is supposed to and it's their fault for missing the tutorial is dumb. It's the devs fault I missed the tutorial. and not because I didn't talk to an NPC quest giver. The game designer should deign the game with this type of situation and not from the I assume stance.There is a help section in the game, there might be some info for pvp. Cyrodiil tutorial quest giver is first npc who you see when you arrive in Cyrodiil.
The tutorial for Cyrodiil requires a player to actually know it's there (Which it doesn't) A real tutorial would be as follows, as soon as you enter Cyrodiil, the game freezes and a big pop up comes in the middle of the screen telling the player THIS IS THE TUTORIAL. and you cannot skip it until you go through it.
This crap of placing things in game with assumptions and things a player can easily miss because the game designer didn't bother talking into account someone who plays the game the way I do.. is just a really bad design..
In fact I bet that if i do go back into Cyrodiil and talked to every NPC there is I still wouldn't have a clue as to the tutorial.
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I'll sum it up then
Everyone who plays this game and on this forum full well knows that, this game has no instructions. Everyone also knows it's put together in such a manor that makes it impossible to play for a new person. Anyone who thinks putting an actual tutorial on an NPC in the forum of a quest, is a good idea is a fool, and proves they don't understand why doing that is a bad idea
People who don't always talk to NPC's are going to miss important information (Such as what happened to me). But even still this situation shows that even knowing the NPC is the tutorial won't help. When a game designer knows there are people who won't talk to all NPC's, but disregards that play style, doesn't know what they're doing..The proper way to design a game is take into account all play styles, then program the game around that.
Again I am going to go back into the game and Cyrodiil and see this so called NPC. I am willing to bet the tutorial is bad and reflects the mistake of putting the tutorial in the form of a quest on an NPC. I could be wrong, but I don't think I am.
Looking at this logically, millions of people have played this game and have done just fine with it as it is. The developers assume the target audience has a certain level of intellect, rational and critical thinking, and problem solving capabilities when designing the game.
Several people tried to help you despite your incoherent ramblings that seem to be mixing multiple problems you are experiencing into one singular problem. You have responded with vicious attacks and threats to ignore which you may have or may not have followed through on.
You have assaulted the developers and fellow players because of your failure to understand the basic concepts around a modern MMO game. And rather than attempt to adapt and learn using the information you have been provided you choose to ignore and alienate yourself from the very people who took 5 minutes to read and attempt to decipher the mess that you posted and formulate a reply that would help you.
You are not going to get far in a social setting by asking people a question and when they start to reply you throat punch them and tell them they are incorrect and trolling you. Perhaps you would have more success with one of the several single player Elder Scroll titles where you dont feel the need to attack everyone like a rabid dog. The learning curve on those games are also less steep.
Edited by ZOS_Volpe on January 29, 2020 2:34PM5 -
pompusnord✭✭
No they aren't. What is not required is missing. Since you still seem to be having an issue understanding the problem I'll just say this:Except the first reply to your post I linked you instructions for what seemed to be what you were talking about. Those are official instructions in the help/support section of the ESO website.
What is listed in the PTS is DLC ok, DLC requires either ESO + or to buy it, since it's not out yet then that leaves ESO+ which literally 99% of all the players have. That means If ESO + was in fact needed, Zenimax would never have to post ESO + being a requirement to participate in this PTS, just because they would assume that because it's DLC then it's common sense that people access it had ESO +.
Furthermore, if all the players accessing it had ESO+ then no one would ever ask if ESO + is needed because no one would ever run into that problem.
Summed up, game devs design things to 99% of the player base, and since 99% of the player base has ESO+ then why would they not have access to the PTS through ESO+ and then never have to post it as one of the requirements.
Understand the issue now?0 -
Salix_alba✭✭✭✭ok eso+ gives you access to all the dlc in the game without having to buy that dlc in the reg game not the pts
dlc can also be bought in game with crowns if you do not have ESO+
ESO+ does not give you access to chapters they must be bought seperatly
you do not need eso+ to access the pts server the only thing you need is to download the second version of the games specific to the pts and you do not need eso+ to access dlc avail for testing in the pts1 -
Alienoutlaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭pompusnord wrote: »
No they aren't. What is not required is missing. Since you still seem to be having an issue understanding the problem I'll just say this:Except the first reply to your post I linked you instructions for what seemed to be what you were talking about. Those are official instructions in the help/support section of the ESO website.
What is listed in the PTS is DLC ok, DLC requires either ESO + or to buy it, since it's not out yet then that leaves ESO+ which literally 99% of all the players have. That means If ESO + was in fact needed, Zenimax would never have to post ESO + being a requirement to participate in this PTS, just because they would assume that because it's DLC then it's common sense that people access it had ESO +.
Furthermore, if all the players accessing it had ESO+ then no one would ever ask if ESO + is needed because no one would ever run into that problem.
Summed up, game devs design things to 99% of the player base, and since 99% of the player base has ESO+ then why would they not have access to the PTS through ESO+ and then never have to post it as one of the requirements.
Understand the issue now?
ok lets put it so you will maybe finally understand
PTS= Public Test Server where the Public test new content Before it is released to say that by not listing ESO+ is a failing is nonsense as by its very Omission implies that it is not needed nor required1 -
Salix_alba✭✭✭✭also when in the pts you can buy a test version of dlc with crowns since everything in the pts crown store is like 1 crown0
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Skorro✭✭✭✭✭If this dude is so clueless on the game, should he even be on the PTS, he'll be one of these people wanting to nerf butterflies or something...Edited by Skorro on January 29, 2020 8:07AM4 -
Siohwenoeht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I'm on mobile, so I'm not going to quote a text wall, but the title of the thread is "Zenimax stop leaving out requirements" and Zenimax has listed every requirement for the pts on the link that was provided by multiple people. Ergo, anything not on that list is not a requirement.
Now, I'm not going to assume what game forums you've been a part of before, but if you click on posters names, you'll see a star ranking. These stars are earned and if you'll notice, there are several high ranked forum users that have tried to help here. Just calm the storm a bit and you'll get better results."It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭pompusnord wrote: »
No they aren't. What is not required is missing. Since you still seem to be having an issue understanding the problem I'll just say this:Except the first reply to your post I linked you instructions for what seemed to be what you were talking about. Those are official instructions in the help/support section of the ESO website.
What is listed in the PTS is DLC ok, DLC requires either ESO + or to buy it, since it's not out yet then that leaves ESO+ which literally 99% of all the players have. That means If ESO + was in fact needed, Zenimax would never have to post ESO + being a requirement to participate in this PTS, just because they would assume that because it's DLC then it's common sense that people access it had ESO +.
Furthermore, if all the players accessing it had ESO+ then no one would ever ask if ESO + is needed because no one would ever run into that problem.
Summed up, game devs design things to 99% of the player base, and since 99% of the player base has ESO+ then why would they not have access to the PTS through ESO+ and then never have to post it as one of the requirements.
Understand the issue now?
That is clearly not the issue. Zos listed what was required so what is not listed is not required. ESO+ is not required so it is not listed.
It would be absurd for Zos to add a list of things that are not required as they are totally irrelevant. Considering thousands of players have been able to access the PTS over the years without issue and only one has been confounded by the support article not listing that ESO+ was not required then the success rate is pretty high.3 -
pompusnord✭✭Salix_alba wrote: »also when in the pts you can buy a test version of dlc with crowns since everything in the pts crown store is like 1 crown
So ESO + is in fact needed in order to access the PTS. a bunch of people are saying it's not, now here you are saying it is? Well which is it?
For everyone arguing this. ESO + is a requirement needed to get into the PTS it's what I asked to begin with.
Except it's not listed as a requirement, yet it's still needed.
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Spartabunny08✭✭✭✭Abnur Tharn: "Brilliant. Why is it that the people with the most ridiculous ideas are always the ones who are most certain of them?"
Couldn't resist lmao10 -
Siohwenoeht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭pompusnord wrote: »Salix_alba wrote: »also when in the pts you can buy a test version of dlc with crowns since everything in the pts crown store is like 1 crown
So ESO + is in fact needed in order to access the PTS. a bunch of people are saying it's not, now here you are saying it is? Well which is it?
For everyone arguing this. ESO + is a requirement needed to get into the PTS it's what I asked to begin with.
Except it's not listed as a requirement, yet it's still needed.
It's not a requirement, you're given an allotment of "fake" crowns, as I understand it, to use."It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭pompusnord wrote: »Salix_alba wrote: »also when in the pts you can buy a test version of dlc with crowns since everything in the pts crown store is like 1 crown
So ESO + is in fact needed in order to access the PTS. a bunch of people are saying it's not, now here you are saying it is? Well which is it?
For everyone arguing this. ESO + is a requirement needed to get into the PTS it's what I asked to begin with.
Except it's not listed as a requirement, yet it's still needed.
First, they are not saying ESO+ is needed. They do not even mention ESO+
I just realized your confusion withal of this. The PTS is not the DLC. The PTS is v5.3.X which will eventually become U25. While it will include the next DLC it is also a patch that effects the entire game from combat to existing open world and instanced quests/dungeons/trials.
In other words it is testing everything in the game and all of us have access to something. So while someone might need to purchase the DLC on the PTS for 1 crown that happens to be free (if they do not have ESO+) that is not needed for them to access the PTS itself and no reason to think otherwise.
So again, everyone who has said ESO+ is not required to access the PTS is 100% correct. If you wanted people to be helpful and correct with their answers based on the limited information you provided then you got what you were looking for. Glad we could help. I would suggest clearer communication from the start next time as the limited information provided in the OP is probably why you felt you were not getting the answer you requested.
EDIT: and again, ESO+ is in fact NOT REQUIRED to access the PTS or test on the PTS. That is a fact.Edited by idk on January 29, 2020 8:29AM3 -
Salix_alba✭✭✭✭yes the crowns in pts are GIVEN to you and reset like daily YOU DO NOT NEED ESO+
YOU DO NOT NEED ESO+
YOU DO NOT NEED ESO+
YOU DO NOT NEED ESO+
YOU DO NOT NEED ESO+
YOU DO NOT NEED ESO+
repeat that mantra and reading is fundamental.
also before you ask NO purchases made in the pts do NOT carry over into the live version of the game.5 -
Salix_alba✭✭✭✭and the pts resets regularly so don't get used to having a set up there it updates with the live version at certain intervals
so if you make a toon in the pts they could get wiped a week later a month later 2 months if you are lucky0 -
Salix_alba✭✭✭✭Spartabunny08 wrote: »Abnur Tharn: "Brilliant. Why is it that the people with the most ridiculous ideas are always the ones who are most certain of them?"
Couldn't resist lmao
love it its called the dunning kruger effectEdited by Salix_alba on January 29, 2020 8:35AM3 -
relentless_turnip✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭@pompusnord I actually can't believe what I have just read...
Are you this much of a *** in real life? or do you conserve all of that energy until you are safely at your keyboard
I don't know why anyone is still choosing to help you...
I have found the information you require: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/playadifferentgame/youarefullofhateandwedon'twantyouhere
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M_Volsung✭✭✭✭✭
✭Way to live up to a username..."In the Deep Halls, Far from Men;
Forsaken Red Mountain, Twisted Kin;
Hail the Mind, Hail the Stone;
Dwarven Pride, Stronger than Bone"
—Dwemer Inquiries I-III, Thelwe Ghelein5 -
Hippie4927✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I've seen a lot of crazy stuff on this forum but this one leaves me speechless!!
PC/NA/EP ✌️3 -
Salix_alba✭✭✭✭he's gonna get his first star on nothing more than confusing the hell out of people
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pompusnord✭✭Hippie4927 wrote: »I've seen a lot of crazy stuff on this forum but this one leaves me speechless!!
So someone making it a point to show how uneducated gamers have become now to the point they cannot distinguish a game from massive college research that teat classify them as one in the same, so when anyone has a question and they do not go with teh rest of the uneducated gamers somehow the person asking is the problem.
A game isn't school, stop passing it off as such0 -
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✭✭pompusnord wrote: »Hippie4927 wrote: »I've seen a lot of crazy stuff on this forum but this one leaves me speechless!!
So someone making it a point to show how uneducated gamers have become now to the point they cannot distinguish a game from massive college research that teat classify them as one in the same, so when anyone has a question and they do not go with teh rest of the uneducated gamers somehow the person asking is the problem.
A game isn't school, stop passing it off as such
i strongly suspect you may have passed school already, as to your point about being "uneducated" message received very loud and very clear
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✭This new forum character seems very familiar...
I think it's just a reskin of an old troll.Edited by M_Volsung on January 29, 2020 9:22AM"In the Deep Halls, Far from Men;
Forsaken Red Mountain, Twisted Kin;
Hail the Mind, Hail the Stone;
Dwarven Pride, Stronger than Bone"
—Dwemer Inquiries I-III, Thelwe Ghelein2 -
dem0n1k✭✭✭✭✭
✭As far as trolls go this one is actually reasonably effective.
Gonna be farmin' a whole lotta stars! XDNA Server [PC] -- Mostly Ebonheart Pact, Mostly.0 -
Hippie4927✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭pompusnord wrote: »Hippie4927 wrote: »I've seen a lot of crazy stuff on this forum but this one leaves me speechless!!
So someone making it a point to show how uneducated gamers have become now to the point they cannot distinguish a game from massive college research that teat classify them as one in the same, so when anyone has a question and they do not go with teh rest of the uneducated gamers somehow the person asking is the problem.
A game isn't school, stop passing it off as such
My comment wasn't about your original question. It was about your responses to the people who tried to help you. You call others 'uneducated' when you are acting more uneducated than anyone else in the thread. The game isn't that hard to figure out. Explore and learn.PC/NA/EP ✌️2 -
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✭✭✭pompusnord wrote: »Hippie4927 wrote: »I've seen a lot of crazy stuff on this forum but this one leaves me speechless!!
So someone making it a point to show how uneducated gamers have become now to the point they cannot distinguish a game from massive college research that teat classify them as one in the same, so when anyone has a question and they do not go with teh rest of the uneducated gamers somehow the person asking is the problem.
A game isn't school, stop passing it off as such
You can be certain you are wrong when you have 2 pages of people telling you are...
It isn't the question you asked it's the way you responded to people trying to help you.
I'm sure you aren't too "uneducated" to realise that!
Furthermore you only emphasise your ignorance when you resort redundant comments like the one above ^^2
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