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I have never felt so anonymous in a game
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Ragnar_Lodbrok✭✭✭✭✭
✭Blackwidow wrote: »Saying there is no negative to having names is not a fact, it is your opinion and I've many friends who are very comfortable with their 'anonymity'
You will have to explain this one.they just like the option of hopping in game for what ever their selection is for the day - PvP, a little RPing, questing with a friend or jumping in a group with guildies or p-u-g's. All of the things mentioned in my previous sentence WOULD be affected if name plates were on. EVEN if an individual can turn them 'off' for themselves... it allows identification by other people of YOU if they have theirs turned on.
How? How would it affect them?
People can mouse over you and see your name. So.... please explain.But as for name plates, eh. I'm good just the way it is unless the change has to do with encouraging Guild identification and loyalty!
Try to get this. It is not all about you. you might want to try to think of others. They might want name plates. This does not affect you.
Try realizing that the reason Zeni removed it was because more of us wanted it to be like this, than you who want to bring it back. And it does affect us, if we are forced to put them on due to pvp.Edited by Ragnar_Lodbrok on April 17, 2014 6:12PM0 -
JohnG✭✭✭Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »Blackwidow wrote: »People who vote against things that would not affect them whatsoever are selfish.
Sorry, but it is true.
People who use weak arguments like you shouldnt vote period. How I feel and vote is important to me. And nameplates would cause me to unsub.
That's just ridiculous, my being able to see your name does nothing to hamper your game play experience. I have yet to see one of you people who are against this explain how my being able to see your name breaks your immersion.0 -
Blackwidow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Arsenic_Touch wrote: »There's no reason to not appease both sides of the line unless of course you're arrogant enough to believe that only your opinion counts in regards to what is acceptable and what is not.
I think that is ZOS' slogun-- "We're arrogant enough to believe that only our opinion counts when it comes to you having fun"1 -
kunquatb16_ESO✭✭✭✭Everyone say "we don't need nameplate, it not like you see the same people, you either help and leave, or not, I just chat with guildies, ect" That's exactly why we do need name plates, the game is too anonymous.
What they really mean is, "I might have seen the same people running around, but because there are no name plates, I have no idea that that's the case. Even if I met a guild mate out on a quest, I wouldn't know, so I don't play with guild mates anymore than other random passers by".
Social interaction in MMO's is not merely a small box of text, it's a holistic requirement, and in a sense, is the very definition of MMO.1 -
PvP has the same people over and over again.
You get used to quickly targeting people and seeing the names.
Same people. Smashing nooblets. Over and over.0 -
Muletide✭✭✭In my opinion, I like the anonymity. I don't care whose individual E-peen is larger. I don't want a screen full of silly names when I'm zerging that tower with my team. You are the enemy, I don't care about your name, just that your blood spills all over the ground.
But on the other hand, I do agree with a name plate option. I understand more hardcore PvPers want their victim to know who just owned them. I get it.
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personally i do like the lack of name plates. it is nice to see people running through my game field without the essay they call a name, or breaking my immersion with the stupid immature names some people think are funny or cool.
LoTRO set name plates to a key stroke. press "n" and no names; press it again they are off. that i wouldnt mind because lets face it.... there are jerks out there. i would like to be able to scan the name in combat/on the fly/quickly to either track their actions (minor annoyance to me) or flat ignore them (major offender to me). i do understand the issue with not knowing which of those are your friends/guild mates/potential ally. perhaps a solution would be to have the option of on/off (with keybinding for quick use), and personalized options with regard to if you show yours (it sucks to see your own name on the third person) or if it is private, if it shows your tag/guild of choice publicly, and various settings for PVP (because i HATE the tag in PVP when the enemy can see it too-this applies to wow/rift/lotro pvp experiences). i also have noticed on grey quests, people training mobs on me and my wife, i would like to know who they are quicker and safer than the current system allows.
i think the above is a complicated system but once set we have choices. it's an MMO i have met trash players and good ones, i would like to know who they are without having to stop combat.I will work. I will save. I will sacrifice. I will endure. I will fight cheerfully and do my utmost, as if the whole issue of the struggle depended on me alone.
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Elencha✭✭✭
This.In my opinion, I like the anonymity. I don't care whose individual E-peen is larger. I don't want a screen full of silly names when I'm zerging that tower with my team. You are the enemy, I don't care about your name, just that your blood spills all over the ground.
But on the other hand, I do agree with a name plate option. I understand more hardcore PvPers want their victim to know who just owned them. I get it.
While, as I have stated in other threads, I support the option, I am absolutely surprised to hear "I want to get internet famous..." offered as a reason nametags are a necessity. Isn't that what youtube, facebook, twitter and the like are for?
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Endolith✭✭✭People who want to get internet famous over MMO PvP are fools. No one who matters cares.
I like running without the name tags but I don't see any reason to oppose an option so each player can do what he likes.2 -
Audigy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I have absolutely no idea why anyone would be against the OPTION to turn nameplates on and off.
You don't want it? No problem, won't effect you one bit.
You think it adds to the community aspect of an MMO? Turn it on and you're golden.
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I'm a massive TES fanboy, but this needs to be implement because this is an MMORPG, not a single player game.
Whoever is against it, turns it off, doesn't effect them in any way, shape or form.
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Wrong.
If you have a tiny bit of MMO experience you will understand that nothing is optional if it gives you a performance boost in groups.
Just think about it, you are in a guild and your guild leader tells you "attack whatsup", now everyone who doesn't has a name plate cant attack, as they don't know who that is. This results in discrimination towards those who dislike plates.
Same with addons. If you don't use them at wow, you are insulted, blackmailed and harassed by those that do. What you don't use DBM? "Scrub, get out of here".
Every type of information that you see as optional wont be, as soon its implemented.
I say it again, stop trying to turn TESO into another wow clone. Leave and play wow, but let TESO fans play their game.2 -
Chomag✭✭✭I have absolutely no idea why anyone would be against the OPTION to turn nameplates on and off.
You don't want it? No problem, won't effect you one bit.
You think it adds to the community aspect of an MMO? Turn it on and you're golden.
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I'm a massive TES fanboy, but this needs to be implement because this is an MMORPG, not a single player game.
Whoever is against it, turns it off, doesn't effect them in any way, shape or form.
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Wrong.
If you have a tiny bit of MMO experience you will understand that nothing is optional if it gives you a performance boost in groups.
Just think about it, you are in a guild and your guild leader tells you "attack whatsup", now everyone who doesn't has a name plate cant attack, as they don't know who that is. This results in discrimination towards those who dislike plates.
Same with addons. If you don't use them at wow, you are insulted, blackmailed and harassed by those that do. What you don't use DBM? "Scrub, get out of here".
No, people who keep failing at not standing in the fire and also say they are not using DBM are called to gtfo. Honestly, if someone sucks hard at moving and is also not using any aids, such as addons, he SHOULD gtfo and stop wasting the raid's time.Edited by Chomag on April 17, 2014 8:23PM0 -
Elencha✭✭✭
It isn't really a surprise to me that people would have this as a motivation. It's flabbergasting that anyone would ever admit such a thing.People who want to get internet famous over MMO PvP are fools. No one who matters cares.
Edited for grammar.
Edited by Elencha on April 17, 2014 8:35PM0 -
Caelo✭✭✭
Keep in mind there are a lot of different types of players (in MMO's). Some like to roleplay, some don't. Some like to kill other players, some don't. Some like to explore the world and game mechanics, some don't. Some like to perfect themselves (by doing the same thing over and over) and some don't. Some like to socialize, some don't. Some like to play, others like to talk. Some like to make a name for themselves, some don't. Some like nameplates, some don't.Because nameplates also reveals things that should not be revealed. The game was designed to be used without them, and adding them seemed to have cause other issues. It was said early in the game dev, there'll be no nameplates, no counters/indicators, as little as possible on the interface, and that visual and audio clues would be the essence of combats in ESO, within the first month of ESO being announced... Sorry to say, but if you want them, this is against what the game was originally designed to be. It is not like they were removed at the last minute
No one will make a name for themselves in PVP without these. DAOC thrived because people made names, and were hunted for it.
Sticking to lore and making a bad decision are not mutually exclusive. There is no negative to having names, if you can turn them off. Making a name for yourself is part of an MMO. If you don't want names, go play Skyrim. MMOs thrive on community, not anonymity.
"Make a name for themselves"
What, you want to become e-famous or something? guffaw
Game design is just having a vision and then carefully consider all players you want to target and balance their needs and wishes and hope you end up with a good game. It is an art and therefore almost by definition liked by some and disliked by others. There's no pleasing all players.
Designing a singleplayer (or limited player) game is hard enough, but designing an MMO is double hard because you *have* to attract all types of players (and please them) to build a community that is self sustaining. Only a handful of games have ever managed to achieve this balance.
Personally I see great potential in ESO, however I do agree with the OP: I feel anonymous in this game. This is mainly because other than the odd little item I craft (with my name) that ends up in some inventory or bank slot, I leave no lasting impression on the game world. There are no items with funny anecdotes (and my name) written by me on it laying around in the world (like in Ultima Online), there is no spot I can call home, nothing. I also visually don't really look different than other players. You can't look at me and think "OMG. That's Caelo!". I don't particularly like nameplates, but I'd like them turned on (for me) until ZOS implements some way for me to set me apart from others. So people who know me (ingame) can recognize me.2 -
Because nameplates also reveals things that should not be revealed. The game was designed to be used without them, and adding them seemed to have cause other issues. It was said early in the game dev, there'll be no nameplates, no counters/indicators, as little as possible on the interface, and that visual and audio clues would be the essence of combats in ESO, within the first month of ESO being announced... Sorry to say, but if you want them, this is against what the game was originally designed to be. It is not like they were removed at the last minute
I agree. In my experience with MMOs, once a player with low morals and a low IQ goes around doing stupid stuff, the community instantly jumps to, "Oh, let's also hold their guild responsible". I like the idea of not being able to troll zone chat with constant he said/she said about guilds. Quite peaceful, in my opinion.
It's better to be a beautiful memory, rather than a pitiful reality.[Argonian ~ Aldmeri Dominion ~ Templar]0 -
Paithan✭✭agree, i look at random avatar's running around and without a name i couldn't care less who they are. and mousing over doesn't do jack unless their within a few feet of you AND not standing in a crowd AND without some pet flapping its wings in front of your cursor. if i want to talk to someone i have to run after them hoping they stand still long enough to see what their name is or get that stupid slider working (a pox on the team that thinks that thing is useful).0 -
FezzikVizzini✭✭✭Sigh.
100% agree with OP.
There should be an OPTION to show names. I REPEAT - AN OPTION !!!
Then, if you don't want it then just don't use it.
To all the people who disagree with the OP then please tell me why an OPTION is effecting you in ANY way ?
Yeah, I got a PC. I just don't feel the need to post it's specifications for an ego boost.1 -
Potenza✭✭✭✭✭Sorry, I vote no on the name tags please. I really enjoy the change from wow where my screen was full of just name tags and just made the game look - well - like a game. ESO is more like being in a world - a realistic world - as the graphics are the best I have ever seen in an MMO. I bet most people who are veterans of the Elder Scrolls games would agree.
NO NAME TAGS PLEASE. Thank you.2 -
FezzikVizzini✭✭✭j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »Sorry, I vote no on the name tags please. I really enjoy the change from wow where my screen was full of just name tags and just made the game look - well - like a game. ESO is more like being in a world - a realistic world - as the graphics are the best I have ever seen in an MMO. I bet most people who are veterans of the Elder Scrolls games would agree.
NO NAME TAGS PLEASE. Thank you.
See the post immediately above yours and now answer the OPTION question.
Yeah, I got a PC. I just don't feel the need to post it's specifications for an ego boost.0 -
Ragnar_Lodbrok✭✭✭✭✭
✭FezzikVizzini wrote: »j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »Sorry, I vote no on the name tags please. I really enjoy the change from wow where my screen was full of just name tags and just made the game look - well - like a game. ESO is more like being in a world - a realistic world - as the graphics are the best I have ever seen in an MMO. I bet most people who are veterans of the Elder Scrolls games would agree.
NO NAME TAGS PLEASE. Thank you.
See the post immediately above yours and now answer the OPTION question.
The option would create imbalance in pvp between those who use and those who dont, which would make nameplates mandatory for us who hate them. Option is not an option.3 -
I remember back when WoW first launched there was this Hunter named "Avatar" who was the most widely known player on my server. He got the Bug Mount for opening AQ.
he could beat many other players without even using his pet.
His gear was always the best.
He was, infamous to both factions.
So much so that when he Lebranoed and transfered serrvers people were furious and damn near everyone on the entire server sent items into his mailbox which caused him to not be able to transfer while he still had mail in the inbox. He was getting thousands of emails every hour lol.
Finally the GM's had to stop in to be able to help him transfer.
Then later he sold the account.
Now I just see random people everywhere. Entirely anonymous. Entirely non existent.
Hell I could have a member of one of my own guilds run by me and not even know it.
I could have someone from my friends list standing next to me and not even know it.
Why don't they just create different types of mega servers?
The Role Playing Mega server.
The Name Tag mega server.
The first person only mode mega server.
It feels so very lonely in the world.
Them feels man.
Them feels.
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Elencha✭✭✭No offense or anything, but, maybe Zenimax isn't interested in being the springboard for MMO-Bieber...
My boyfriend is a diehard MMO player and is constantly talking about the leader of his guild like the man is Alice Cooper or Jack Nicholson or something else other than a guy who plays a game like a ton of other guys who play games. Don't get me wrong, from the little interaction I've had with him, he seems to be a nice guy, but I get tired of hearing the man spoken of like he's the second-coming of sliced bread...1 -
JS83✭[/quote]
The option would create imbalance in pvp between those who use and those who dont, which would make nameplates mandatory for us who hate them. Option is not an option.[/quote]
I'm not trying to start anything here, I am just curious, how?
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Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »FezzikVizzini wrote: »j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »Sorry, I vote no on the name tags please. I really enjoy the change from wow where my screen was full of just name tags and just made the game look - well - like a game. ESO is more like being in a world - a realistic world - as the graphics are the best I have ever seen in an MMO. I bet most people who are veterans of the Elder Scrolls games would agree.
NO NAME TAGS PLEASE. Thank you.
See the post immediately above yours and now answer the OPTION question.
The option would create imbalance in pvp between those who use and those who dont, which would make nameplates mandatory for us who hate them. Option is not an option.
LOL....
LMAO.
HAHAHA
OMG. Seriously?
LMAO.0 -
FezzikVizzini✭✭✭
The option would create imbalance in pvp between those who use and those who dont, which would make nameplates mandatory for us who hate them. Option is not an option.[/quote]
I'm not trying to start anything here, I am just curious, how?
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Yes so am I . How the hell is having nameplates on in PvP an advantage ? And even if it were what is wrong with an nameplates OPTION that only works outside of PvP ?
Yeah, I got a PC. I just don't feel the need to post it's specifications for an ego boost.0 -
The option would create imbalance in pvp between those who use and those who dont, which would make nameplates mandatory for us who hate them. Option is not an option.[/quote]
I'm not trying to start anything here, I am just curious, how?
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i did a LOT of pvp in WoW, and have more than participated in pvp in most of the MMOs since. think of a marine corp scout sniper hiding in the bush ghillie suit finely tuned to the terrain, damn near invisible. he can see you but you can't see him........ except for his name plate above his head.I will work. I will save. I will sacrifice. I will endure. I will fight cheerfully and do my utmost, as if the whole issue of the struggle depended on me alone.
Martin A. Treptow
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Ragnar_Lodbrok✭✭✭✭✭
✭If you people cant see how me having a nameplate over my head in pvp, makes me at a disadvantage because I have no nameplate over your head, then the education system has failed another young person in critical thinking skills.2 -
FezzikVizzini✭✭✭I will keep repeating.
What is wrong with a nameplate OPTION for non PVP only ?
Yeah, I got a PC. I just don't feel the need to post it's specifications for an ego boost.0 -
non-pvp is just immersion breaking. i would prefer name plates for PVE but rather not have it for PVP so im willing to suck it up if they dont make it player modified optional that i listed in my prior post.I will work. I will save. I will sacrifice. I will endure. I will fight cheerfully and do my utmost, as if the whole issue of the struggle depended on me alone.
Martin A. Treptow
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JS83✭ahstin2001nub18_ESO wrote: »
I'm not trying to start anything here, I am just curious, how?
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i did a LOT of pvp in WoW, and have more than participated in pvp in most of the MMOs since. think of a marine corp scout sniper hiding in the bush ghillie suit finely tuned to the terrain, damn near invisible. he can see you but you can't see him........ except for his name plate above his head.[/quote]
Isn't that what the sneak ability, that all classes have, is for?
You can already turn on health bars above players heads, so it wouldn't make a difference if there was a nameplate.
EDIT: sorry I can't figure out how to fix the quote.
Edited by JS83 on April 17, 2014 10:48PM0