The Problem with the PVP Community

Solaire · January 2020

nryerson1025 wrote: »

It is prosposterous to try to blame the players for anything this corporation developing this game did or didn't do. There is no problem with the pvp community, except maybe it's on the decline, and that's certainly not their fault. We could similarly complain about pve community needing to skip pve mechanics by desiring high damage to burn thru them. I think that is equally absurd

I'm not blaming everyone, i'm blaming the angry rants, players who post nonsense because they got killed,
these type of people hurt the better players who actually investigate the skills and the play style, what is going to happen if we do this or do that to this skill, these type of players should be listen to not some dude with hanger issue,

i know how bad ZOS made things and still does part of it is on them and the other part is on those whom i described,

we could actually blame it all on ZOS cause they listen to these type of players in the first place.

Khatou · January 2020

In order to improve, the game should already be improving, it's normal to complain when the devs have been leaving things absolutely absurd for x years on the game or continue in this way, sometimes complaining is also what allows a game to evolve and especially to evolve in the right direction.

Because when you see people playing abused stuff and those believing to be good because the game forces you to play in such a way there's something to laugh about and that's where the grumblers come in (like me and I fully assume it). Not to mention a big bug that's still shameful to see nowadays with the famous spells that don't leave when the active ones are active, that's probably the biggest joke a game can make.

TESO says you can do whatever you want, but the problem is that the devs are getting further and further away from it. Just look at what is with some weapons and what others don't have,
for example, heavy weapons, with attacks completely abused and they make them even more abused than they already are. Then, the bow, probably the most neglected by the devs (and yet this weapon has a great fan service) and almost no blatant change.
Having to play with branches of 5 spells limits too much the possibilities knowing that magic has the clear advantage, poor stam that we are.

Don't forget, gank and immortal players who can hold their own against x number of TESO people don't give a damn about the PVP because only the PVE that matters to them...

Some people don't know this, but a lot of people were expecting something new in PVP with Skyrim the nothing.

TESO's PVP has some great ideas, but unfortunately stained by major flaws that the devs and players who take advantage of it, pretend to ignore because it's simpler...

And finally, when you hear people asking for nerves for the stams when the magic is abused, it's a real mess. Magic players try to play Stam before crying "Nerf" and you'll see if it's really the Stam's turn to be nervous!

So it's good to see it in one direction, but you should also see it in the other direction to understand the why of the how !!!

text original language (french):

Pour s'améliorer, il faudrait déjà que le jeu s'améliore c'est normal de râlé quand les devs laisse des choses absolument absurde depuis x année sur le jeu ou y continue dans cette voie, parfois râlé c'est aussi ce qui permet a un jeu d'évoluer et surtout d'évoluer dans le bon sens.

Parce que quand tu vois les gens jouer a des trucs abusé et ceux croyant être bon parce que le jeu oblige à jouer de tel façon y a de quoi en rire et c'est là qu'arrive les râleurs (comme moi et je l'assume pleinement). Sans oublier un gros bug encore honteux de voir ça de nos jours avec les fameux sorts qui ne partent pas quand ont les actives, ça c'est probablement la plus grosse blague faite par un jeu.

TESO affirme que l'on peut faire ceux que l'on veut, mais le problème dans tout ça, c'est que les devs s'en écarte de plus en plus. Il suffit de voir ce qui est avec certaines armes et que d'autres n'ont pas,
par exemples, les armes lourde, avec des attaques complètement abusé et ils les rendent encore plus abusé que ça ne l'est déjà. Ensuite, l'arc, probablement le plus négligé par les devs (et pourtant cette arme à un grand fan service) et pratiquement aucun changement flagrant.
Devoir jouer avec des branches de 5 sorts limite beaucoup trop les possibilités sachant que la magie a le net avantage, pauvre stam que nous sommes.

À ne pas oublier, le gank et les joueurs immortels qui peuvent tenir contre x nombres de personnes TESO s'en fou royalement du PVP parce que seul le PVE qui compte pour eux...

Certains ne le savent pas, mais beaucoup de monde attendait de la nouveaut en PVP avec Skyrim la rien.

Le PVP de TESO a de très bonnes idées, mais malheureusement taché par des défauts majeurs que les devs et les joueurs qui en profitent, font mine d'ignorer parce que c'est plus simple...

Et enfin pour finir, quand tu entends les gens demander de nerf pour les stams alors que la magie est des plus abusé c'est vraiment du foutage de gueule, Aux joueurs magies essayer de jouer Stam avant de pleurer au " Nerf" et vous verrez bien si c'est bien au Stam d'être nerf!!!

Alors c'est bien de voir dans un sens, mais il faudrait aussi le voir dans l'autre sens afin de comprendre le pourquoi du comment !!!

Vermintide · January 2020

Magblade main, here, so naturally I completely agree with OP.

Every patch: Magblade nerfed, never ever buffed as long as I can remember, just constantly having to deal with gradual erosion of burst, utility and resource management.

This forum since forever: OMG STEALTH OP NERF STEALTH

FirmamentOfStars · January 2020

(I did not read the whole thread)

Dear OP, sadly the PvP community has almost no influence on the balance, especially not the people here writing in the PvP section of the forum. The devs have shown numerous times in the past, that they almmost never listen to the community in here and most of our threads go down unread by the devs. ESO's dev team is not big enough to maintain such huge amount of time reading in the forum and they will not do it, since there is no way for them to differ good from bad feedback.

Therefore the PvP community can get as good and give the best feedback as much you want, but it will not help the game balance. People playing this game for several years already know how valuable their feedback is for the devs (its zero value) and therefore spend their time (if they care to spend time at all in the forum) trying to have some fun comments or join some grieving threads, maybe they try shut down a sneseless thread here and there too. But most of the have given up trying to be heard by the devs and just stopped caring.

There are a few people called class reps, who have limited influence on the devs, but it is very limited. They rarely talk to the general community and reaching out to them can only happen on some specific platforms. Still in the end, their word and feedback for the devs have little effect, because in the end ZOS has some kind of vision and put that vision of the feedback from class reps and players. Basically the devs have their own mind about how to balance this game and it looks like so far their vision is a mess. The new patch coming shows again, that the devs maybe try making the game better, but fail to see where balance needs help. Current PTS patch will make stamina necromancers monsters and they are already very strong on live server.

Sry for the depressing answer, but this behaviour of the devs continued for already several years.

Iskiab · January 2020

Yup, worst part is they’ve been moving NB mechanics to other classes. Merciless > bound armaments, fear > fighter’s guild. Maybe the devs wish they’d never added cloak and and figure if they leave everything crappy people will just stop playing.

Unfortunately that doesn’t stop them from showing up on random BG teams so you lose.

Davadin · January 2020

TLDR of the whole post; even if there's a real discrepancies and inbalances, every class can still be a beast in the hand of the right player who L2P.

p00tx · January 2020

I actually agree with you wholeheartedly. Too many of the most vocal players in this community only play one aspect of this game in a very narrow fashion, and seem to be willing to throw the entire rest of the game under the buss to suit their particular playstyle. They're not willing or able to see how their proposed changes might affect the other aspects of the game, of if they do/can, they simply don't care. Many don't know anything about how changes have historically rolled out or how a particular class has changed over time. They're very narrowly and exclusively focused.

Humans are pretty lame, but we're stuck with them and I don't really think they're capable of better. Fortunately, we have a handful of active community members who have their hands in all sorts of things in the game, and they tend to at least somewhat override some of the dumber suggestions.

Daemonai · January 2020

In short, the Devs should stop being so reactionary and play their own game. I agree.

katorga · January 2020

Solaire wrote: »

Kalixte wrote: »

YOU'RE A STAMINA NECROMANCER MAIN, HUH!?

No.
but what does that has to do with anything?
do you judge people by their mains or something?

Whatever class you main, they will claim is OP and a crutch. For whatever reason, Stam Necro is triggering people this month. The herd always wants the game made carebear easy.

Iskiab · January 2020

katorga wrote: »

Solaire wrote: »

Kalixte wrote: »

YOU'RE A STAMINA NECROMANCER MAIN, HUH!?

No.
but what does that has to do with anything?
do you judge people by their mains or something?

Whatever class you main, they will claim is OP and a crutch. For whatever reason, Stam Necro is triggering people this month. The herd always wants the game made carebear easy.

Not everyone, but PTS time always brings out the worst in people. I play a Magplar and MagWarden, they’re both strong, absolutely nothing to complain about besides quality of life issues, though magplar is a bit stronger. MagWarden will be weird after Invig drain is nerfed, I’m not sure how it will do.

The_Lex · January 2020

Anotherone773 wrote: »

It is non stop whining and complaining like a daycare full of grumpy children that need a nap.

I'm not particularly grumpy, but I'd love a nap just the same.

Solaire · January 2020

katorga wrote: »

Solaire wrote: »

Kalixte wrote: »

YOU'RE A STAMINA NECROMANCER MAIN, HUH!?

No.
but what does that has to do with anything?
do you judge people by their mains or something?

Whatever class you main, they will claim is OP and a crutch. For whatever reason, Stam Necro is triggering people this month. The herd always wants the game made carebear easy.

I actually play all of them except Necro since i'm a returning player i don't have necro leveled up fully yet but i'm working on it, other than that i login daily i choose the class i feel like to play PVP with, but ofc my crafter is my main and my first char which is StamDK

and Yes, too many player throwing OP without actually trying or playing the classes, i will never say a class is OP until i tested fully myself, even then it's probably not the class as whole it is either the stam or the mag version and THEN it's probably just 1 or 2 skills at best, if you touch and change a lot of skills many peoples builds will be ruined, their playstyle changes they get bored and quit,

People need to understand, just because you got killed by a class or can't kill someone, it does not mean it's OP,
do your research find the build, play the class, ask around and then decide weather it's the outcome of a Over performing skill or your Under performing Skills.

[Deleted User] · January 2020

Hello everyone,

Recently we've had to remove a few posts for baiting, content that is against the Forum Rules. For further posts be sure to stay constructive to avoid thread derailment.

Thank you for understanding.

Solaire · January 2020

to make myself clear,
Players are not the problem, But they are part of the problem.

Raammzzaa · January 2020

Anotherone773 wrote: »

These forums have become excessively bitter and toxic over the last 12 months.

I agree with everything you said in your post except the 12 months part. These forums have been a joke filled with crying care bears for far longer. We’ve had channels mocking threads/posts on the forms on discord for far more than a year...