kargen27 wrote: »

kingsforged wrote: »

wolfbone wrote: »

well, there's nothing forcing you into pvp, and the game is mainly pve.

Literally a PVP event on right now.

I've been doing the event on a 2nd account and so far the only enemy player I saw waved to me and went on their merry way. This event is happening in a PvP zone but there is PvE content in there that will give you rewards. Don't remember if some of the achievements are PvP exclusive but if you don't PvP those achievements shouldn't matter anyway.

OMG was it me that waved at you? Are you EP by any chance? I waved at someone in a DC town a few days ago picking up quests.

Any time I see low levels doing town quests during PvP event, I usually wave at them to show them I will not try to ruin their day doing the PvE quests in that zone.

Last year doing Midyear Mayhem, high level players were staking out towns and areas with skyshards to jump on new players which completely made me sick. PvP events bring out the worst type of people so I always try to wave at enemy players that I feel like don't PvP much so they feel welcome. I usually say in zone chat, hey don't kill xxx player because they are doing quests. They are friendlies

There are some MMOs that allow noobs in PvP to have some fun, despite them not being skilled.

SWTOR has gear scaled up to close to max, so the only thing carrying you is your skill. (Gear does matter though, set bonuses can change the battle a lot. But a good player without a set bonus can beat a bad player
with one).

The result is that even bad/noob players can compete with skilled players making it somewhat fun for both sides.

I think ZoS needs to stop adding more sets into the game and focus on reworking the suffering sets.

I am enjoying the event. Good break from PvE. Even jumped into BG's for the first time. I have died a lot but also got better. Ended up finishing off the Whitestrake achievements to get the Wreath.

Cirantille wrote: »

That is somewhat true.

I think only first characters should be allowed in below 50.

Because it is very unfriendly and frankly I do not understand why would anyone bother to play in below 50.

I went there with my alt and it was... absurd

People siege resources there, like they don't even put up a fight because they are NEW.

I felt bad and left. Because clearly we are not at matching levels and this is no FUN.

Not for me.

But some people can not manage to kill PvPers at their levels so they will do that to get somewhat satisfaction.

No way to fight back when you can not craft and poor

But fear not, you'll be able to in about few months and you will flex them in above 50

It can be fun, but the sweaty neck beards ruin it.

The sweaty’s go into under 50 with gold meta gear and tower dance against casuals leveling.

*golf clap*

Rave the Histborn wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Cirantille wrote: »

That is somewhat true.

I think only first characters should be allowed in below 50.

Because it is very unfriendly and frankly I do not understand why would anyone bother to play in below 50.

I went there with my alt and it was... absurd

People siege resources there, like they don't even put up a fight because they are NEW.

I felt bad and left. Because clearly we are not at matching levels and this is no FUN.

Not for me.

But some people can not manage to kill PvPers at their levels so they will do that to get somewhat satisfaction.

No way to fight back when you can not craft and poor

But fear not, you'll be able to in about few months and you will flex them in above 50

It can be fun, but the sweaty neck beards ruin it.

The sweaty’s go into under 50 with gold meta gear and tower dance against casuals leveling.

*golf clap*

So you're mad that you're using pvp to level and there's people there that wreck you but they're the problem be cause they set up for pvp.

Maybe trade in ESO for a Switch? I hear Mario doesn't have those same meany people in it

Sweaty spotted.

They are free to play as they see fit, but don’t get it twisted. It’s not skill killing non geared level 10s.

Maybe go outside and get some exercise? I hear weight loss will make you sweat less while playing video games. The fellas won’t be so mean to you.....

I've already proven with evidence that you can get all skill lines, mages guild, psjic, fighters guild and passives by level 14.

You do not need to purchase anything, ever. You can get gear made for you so easily its not even an issue.

Will you run into rerollers that love stomping newbies? Of course you will, but then you will run into farm groups and ball groups and suspect players in big boy pvp as well.

This chicken little sky is falling is getting a little old

RefLiberty wrote: »

PvP needs to be canceled and resources put in good use instead of wasting in that group of 5% players being not useful to game or anyone.
ESO is sold based on PVE legacy anyway.
As someone said, they need to be contained in that map of theirs, with no influence on game whatsoever.
Game has been broken so many times by trying to balance that game "mod", su much waste.
So much money being wasted on pvp, so much nerfs/buffs, so much work hours.
If there is no pvp Eso, could have funded a space force program or at least ESO 2 engine.
So much resources.
Make PvP secondary feature, Make ESO great again.

Imagine running vet dungeons as endgame.

HalvarIronfist wrote: »

The_Lex wrote: »

We get about a dozen PvE events per year, and we’re lucky if we get maybe 2 PvP events (if they’re not cancelled). Yet when a rare PvP event kicks off, it takes like one day before the PvEers lose their minds on the forums.

Unfortunately this is the truth. PVP players don't complain in near magnitude about PVE events as PVE players complain about PVP events.

1. I don't know that that is true. Maybe on forums we see it less, but I hear pvpers constantly whining about anything that isn't exactly the type of pvp they want (zerg, no zerg, no BGs, BGs, no groups in BGs, no PvE in Pvp like IC,, no artifacts, etc.) in discord or comms.

I also see them lump anything that isn't fighting another player into pve. Why can't I earn money? You can do writs - that's PVE! We need a way to get flowers for pots! - You can farm. That's PVE! No, all these other activities are not things PvErs love do (some do, sure, some love only doing these things). But to a lot of end game PvErs, these are tasks to support the part of the game you enjoy doing, just like if you PvP and have to do them.

But as someone that does both pvp and pve, pvp rewards have been pretty heavily weighted b/c of all the complaints from pvpers over the years. Farming stones for TV and getting flower sacks is better than farming in many cases if you know what you are doing in IC. Getting the arena proofs and buying costumes or upcoming motif pages that can be sold that are never offered on crown store like almost every motif available in pvp which keeps pricing even higher (same with BG pages, though they can't be sold, still only way to earn them). - Try putting some new motif/style page behind an end game trial like the Cloudrest motif but not allow it to be sold on traders or buy in crown store and see how much crying you hear from pvpers. Also: best source of earning transmute stones by far. Every PvPer that I know that pvp's a decent amount is drowning in these stones.

2. The real issue:
I think the big difference is that if you are a pvper doing pve, it's pretty easy to target your needed quest event, do it and get back to what you want to do.

Doesn't work that way for pvp. Sure, if you happen to have your alliance owning everything you need it can work out. But if not, riding across the map just to get to your destination can result in getting jumped (which I'm sure is more frustrating to players that don't know pvp well) and having to start the horse simulator over again. Same for town quests, if your alliance owns a town and you can port, bam, you can get it done (usually, though sometimes still gankers). But if not, then you have no chance of getting a town quest done if you aren't decent dealing with pvp (guards and other players).

So for those pvpers seeing pve'rs whining about the event. Think of the last time you wanted to do a pve event, get it done just to get your tickets (not even to farm it over and over, just one quest) and get back to what you liked doing in the game. But then pretend that pve'rs had a way to troll you to make you fail over and over and over again to just do that one simple quest.

I play pvp plenty and even I can see why they have issue with the events. Last year I spent a chunk of my time fighting off pvpers for towns to try and help out the pve'rs and what I saw showed me it wasn't just about "this guy knows how to pvp and this guy doesn't." There were small groups of pvpers jumping players one or two at a time. Then if they ran into someone that knew how to fight, they ran away if they could. Granted, if we talk IC then you can expect to get jumped b/c most pvpers have no problem ganging up on someone anyone, but throw stones in the mix and that line moves even more.

Honestly, I think the best thing zos could do about this, is when they add a new campaign for the event, they have a special rule set: In the one campaign, don't allow anything to flip. PvP still exists, but no flag flipping. If you want to do quests that deal with flipping keeps and such, there are campaigns for those. (or you could allow something like a rss to flip but then it starts autoflipping back as soon as you leave it, so if you don't stay at it, it will go back to the original alliance). But for pver's that want to do town quests, they can go into this campaign. Then you don't have to worry about everything being night capped by one alliance and shutting down the campaign for any real use by another faction that doesn't have a pvp zerg. I'd still leave pvp open, if you wanted to gank or go to other alliances towns and what have you, then you'd have to deal with that danger, but it would solve part of the problem while still leaving the event as a pvp event. (You could even do other interesting things with this, like leaving every keep in a state that looked like it had been through war - i.e. half torn down like they'd been sieged and not repaired).

But I do think that if a pver had a chance to port in, pick up and do a quest and if they get ganked, have the option to respawn at the town and try it again more carefully or try to fight again. Or just be careful and sneaky the whole time getting it done. Then you'd see a lot less frustration. They'd still be in pvp danger. Gankers would still be able to do their thing, and you could also still take little pvp teams in to harrass a town if you wanted. But with them having respawn right there, there would be constant danger of pvers piling up in numbers and maybe offer a bit of a challenge to a good pvp group.

RefLiberty wrote: »

PvP needs to be canceled and resources put in good use instead of wasting in that group of 5% players being not useful to game or anyone.
ESO is sold based on PVE legacy anyway.
As someone said, they need to be contained in that map of theirs, with no influence on game whatsoever.
Game has been broken so many times by trying to balance that game "mod", su much waste.
So much money being wasted on pvp, so much nerfs/buffs, so much work hours.
If there is no pvp Eso, could have funded a space force program or at least ESO 2 engine.
So much resources.
Make PvP secondary feature, Make ESO great again.

Lol! PvP is the bread and butter of ESO. Without it ESO is as good as dead....

CASP3R421 wrote: »

imagine not taking advantage of the under 50 pvp servers to learn on

Assuming that lowbie Cyrodiil and BGs aren’t filled with people constant rerolling to stomp on noobs.

ESO has one of the better PVP systems for a MMO. Not perfect but better. Other MMO games tend to throw 1, 2, 4, or 8 players at a time against each other or the full map as you quest is PVP making it harder at lower level when a higher level players decides to jump you when you are just questing.

ESO PVP is so much better given how it is setup. PVP maybe dead for certain areas but overall the system ESO has IMO is one of the better ones I have seen in a RPGMMO.

I personally don't like how skill points are put behind the PVP system. I don't like how that is but it is what it is and as a PVE player if I want to max out my skill points and get all as achievements I will need to step foot into PVP one day and do whatever I can. I will eventually do that once I finish up doing all I can in PVE and I'm still far from completing all of PVE content. Many maps await me.

The only thing that I dislike about PVP is one shots, there should never be any ability that one shots a player. If there are, it needs to be adjusted in PVP or removed from being able to be used in PVP.

The other thing I have to state is that ESO could improve PVP and PVE by making PVE gear not usable in PVP and making PVP specific gear that can only be used in PVP.

I noticed some of the gear falls into those categories but you can use PVE and PVP gear in either zone and that to me is where ZoS can improve ESO as a game for PVP and PVE.