Don't play PVP.

JanTanhide · January 2020

RefLiberty wrote: »

PvP needs to be canceled and resources put in good use instead of wasting in that group of 5% players being not useful to game or anyone.
ESO is sold based on PVE legacy anyway.
As someone said, they need to be contained in that map of theirs, with no influence on game whatsoever.
Game has been broken so many times by trying to balance that game "mod", su much waste.
So much money being wasted on pvp, so much nerfs/buffs, so much work hours.
If there is no pvp Eso, could have funded a space force program or at least ESO 2 engine.
So much resources.
Make PvP secondary feature, Make ESO great again.

Yep! Agree!

SeaGtGruff · January 2020

HalvarIronfist wrote: »

No, no no. Gear does all the work! The player can sit there and not do anything because gear alone will carry them to good results! They wouldn't actually have to still survive/fight at all!

Even though you're being sarcastic, I know of at least one case where there's a tiny speck of truth in your statement.

One of the overland PvE sets that caught my eye was Thunderbug's Carapace, because of its 5-item bonus. I managed to collect five pieces of that set in Heavy Armor, which is the type of armor that my NA main wears.

I was doing daily quests in Wrothgar for tickets during the Wrothgar event, and my quest for the day was to kill Sir Marq Tailas in Watcher's Hold. As I was working my way through the delve, I decided to see if I could kill off the lower-level enemies just by standing still and letting them attack me.

I sheathed my greatsword and just stood there, letting the various members of the Pale Watch attack me. As I took damage, every 3 or 6 seconds my armor would zap them, and the more they attacked me, the more my armor zapped them. My NA main is tanky enough that I could survive their attacks with no trouble, and I cleared most of the delve that way-- not the boss, obviously, but all of his minions. It was kind of funny.

Jierdanit · January 2020

kingsforged wrote: »

If you're new or new-ish player, just don't play PVP. ESPECIALLY below Level 50.

Absolutely ZERO thought or effort has gone into maintaining ANY kind of balance in any of the PVP game modes. Below level 50 being some of the absolute worst of it. If you can't craft top-tier gear, buffs and potions (which can take months to research enough traits to do) and pay to unlock the extra skill lines (maxed out using a high level main) using Crowns, you have absolutely NO chance of competing AT ALL.

It's not a question of skill or class. It's not a question of builds. You can't "git gud". It's a pure "craft and pay to win" game and there's nothing you can do about it.

If you're looking for a PVP game to jump into. This isn't it. Don't waste your time or your money.

Great... Get new players away from PvP by telling them stuff that is pretty much wrong in every way.

First of, you dont need perfect gear, but just some ok crafted or farmed gear which you can easily get after like 10 hours played.

Also I dont know why everyone who was killed by a reroller in lowbie assumes that they only got their skills by buying them in the crownstore even though that is Just wrong...
Not a single lowbie players buys skills in the Store and you dont need to.

And pretty surely it is a question of skill, since there are quite some people who run gold gear and still are really bad and cant get anything done.

At this point below level 50 PvP is the best area you can go to if you want to start pvping, even though it might not be perfect.

Stebarnz · January 2020

PVP is the ONLY end game unless you like a modern simon says, where you press certain buttons at a scripted time.

Accept this truth about the game or move along.

If you cant pvp or don't have the patience to learn that's fine but don't be a whiny b***h about it.

HalvarIronfist · January 2020

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

HalvarIronfist wrote: »

No, no no. Gear does all the work! The player can sit there and not do anything because gear alone will carry them to good results! They wouldn't actually have to still survive/fight at all!

Even though you're being sarcastic, I know of at least one case where there's a tiny speck of truth in your statement.

One of the overland PvE sets that caught my eye was Thunderbug's Carapace, because of its 5-item bonus. I managed to collect five pieces of that set in Heavy Armor, which is the type of armor that my NA main wears.

I was doing daily quests in Wrothgar for tickets during the Wrothgar event, and my quest for the day was to kill Sir Marq Tailas in Watcher's Hold. As I was working my way through the delve, I decided to see if I could kill off the lower-level enemies just by standing still and letting them attack me.

I sheathed my greatsword and just stood there, letting the various members of the Pale Watch attack me. As I took damage, every 3 or 6 seconds my armor would zap them, and the more they attacked me, the more my armor zapped them. My NA main is tanky enough that I could survive their attacks with no trouble, and I cleared most of the delve that way-- not the boss, obviously, but all of his minions. It was kind of funny.

Oh sure, in PVE I've done the same by putting my tank in leeching plate.

However, in PVP.. If you die to someone who's afk and has sets like that.. Well.. yikes.

Jimmy_The_Fixer · January 2020

Honestly, under50 is a bit of a joke. It can still be a fun joke though, I’ve encountered [snip] in BGs while leveling alts and it doesn’t ruin the experience as much as you’d think.

But it’s not that bad since you can start legitimately competing with established players as early as CP 160 as long as you stick to the no-cp campaign/bgs. There’s cyrodiil guilds out there that are happy enough to get warm bodies that they’ll prefab a pvp setup for you. The DLC classes and skill lines aren’t necessary for making a top tier setup.

Edit for bait.

Rukia541 · January 2020

Yeah low level pvp is trash because of [snip] its like this in every game that has basic rpg leveling system, gear, and pvp.

Avoid at all costs I agree.. max lvl is always where the real game is, honestly see 0 point in even allowing low lvl pvp as either you are useless or an OP [snip]. To call it unfair or unbalanced is like.. understatement of the eon.

Edit for bait.

Diminish · January 2020

kingsforged wrote: »

wolfbone wrote: »

well, there's nothing forcing you into pvp, and the game is mainly pve.

Literally a PVP event on right now.

Which is still not forcing anything on anyone. You don't have to participate, just means those who want to will be 1 queue position sooner to getting in.

The_Lex · January 2020

This game was originally marketed featuring PvP, there two events per year geared toward PvP (if we’re lucky), they added features for PvP (milegates, goat paths, the Hammer - love it or hate it), they added BGs....the point being that PvP in all its forms will never go away.

We can talk about adding a PvE campaign in Cyro. We can talk about balancing PvE and PvP separately.

But there’s no need to open a salt mining operation for the one or two PvP events we have in a year.

barney2525 · January 2020

Stebarnz wrote: »

PVP is the ONLY end game unless you like a modern simon says, where you press certain buttons at a scripted time.

Accept this truth about the game or move along.

If you cant pvp or don't have the patience to learn that's fine but don't be a whiny b***h about it.

I love it when people think their opinions are absolute fact.

Especially because No one's opinion is absolute fact.

And then they draw their line in the sand and demand that everyone adhere to it. It's just so cute.

IMHO

Stebarnz · January 2020

barney2525 wrote: »

Stebarnz wrote: »

PVP is the ONLY end game unless you like a modern simon says, where you press certain buttons at a scripted time.

Accept this truth about the game or move along.

If you cant pvp or don't have the patience to learn that's fine but don't be a whiny b***h about it.

I love it when people think their opinions are absolute fact.

Especially because No one's opinion is absolute fact.

And then they draw their line in the sand and demand that everyone adhere to it. It's just so cute.

IMHO

Thanks

xXMeowMeowXx · January 2020

Such a negative post with no understanding of PvP or enjoying this wonderful game.

ESO has a lot of content to do....So go do something else OP, if you don’t like PvP.

This is the forums, you’re not going to push any new players away from PvP....just make yourself look bad.

Sorbin · January 2020

kingsforged wrote: »

Lol should have known this would devolve into a cesspool of fragile egos and people who need "Derek Zoolanders Center For Children Who Can't Read Good And Wanna Learn To Do Other Stuff Good Too". Every. Forum. Ever.

1) There is absolute minimal room to improve in a system that allows longer term players to drastically outgear newer ones to the point of being able to kill them in 2-3 hits. It's a .50 Cal vs a BB gun. The only "skill" left to them is to spend the entire match trying to avoid those experienced players and hope to find other regular geared players. The only way to "out-skill" the gear difference and win matches is if the geared player is an absolute waste of space who only focuses kills in a non-deathmatch BG.

2) "they can get gear from guild mates and other players" Yeahhh... great. Assuming they join the game with instant knowledge of the ins and outs of the games systems, such as the multiple guild system, alchemy, food buffs, gear traits and the crafted sets... because every new player obviously already knows everything about the game they've just joined BEFOREHAND...

3) "I can do well in basic gear" =O guess what?! ... You're being matched with OTHER REGULAR PLAYERS. Congratulations. Stick at it and you'll find out the difference soon enough.

4) "insert petty insult because I can't hold a conversation and have nothing of any value or input to say". Grow up. Get some real friends. Get out more.

How to improve the experience -

A) Have a tutorial quest that involves playing out the basics of BGs at level 10. Simple text based descriptions aren't good enough. Have a small simulated instanced BG quest showcasing the basics of Capture, Chaosball etc against NPCs.

Supply 1-2 sets of gear after the starter quest along with a small amount of food buff items and potions (Impregnable would be a solid PVP starter set, supplying tri-stat and crit resist). This introduces players to set bonuses and buff items. Explain the importance of these items, gear set bonuses and gear traits.

C) Scale better. It needs to go beyond level scaling. Stats need to scale towards players TOTAL stat pool, bringing everyone up comparative to the strongest in the lobby. Experienced players will still be able to craft specifically tailored sets and items, but newer players will still be able to somewhat compete, without feeling like they're wearing wet paper towels for armour and being shredded to pieces in under 5 seconds.

Lol have you every played an MMO? Gear grind is a fact of life in this genre. ESO's is nowhere near as bad as comparable PvP MMOs. Games like Archeage (including Unchained) and BDO make the gear gap ludicrously hard to close without an insane grind or outright p2w. In ESO you don't even need most of your gear to be top quality (just weapons) to be perfectly viable and there's quite a few easy-to-obtain sets that are perfectly viable for an up and coming PvPer. As far as knowledge gap is concerned, well, that's just why this game is an MMO. You've gotta be willing to reach out and socialize with people to get the full breadth of the experience.

As far as under 50 being unbalanced, that shouldn't even need explanation. There's not point in balancing gameplay where most of the potential variables haven't even been introduced. It exists just as a basic primer on PvP mechanics.

kompletist · January 2020

JumpmanLane wrote: »

You can’t except, as a NEW player, to compete with people who have been playing the game for years. That’s just life.

You can’t expect to have the knowledge, the gear, or even the MEANS to get the gear when logging in for the first time. Put in the time. Put in your dues.

Sure you can in just about every multiplayer game in the universe. You can't beat the top tier players in those games but the systems put in place don't throw you to the wolves against them.

Dracofyre · January 2020

i am very disapointing with this pvp event, there is plenty of jerks camping near most of quesgivers that we need to earn tickets, ganking, so i decide to leave a curse on who ever design this event as "FUN for all"?, i disagree. never fun trying to get a quest or turn in for rewards.
devs seem to catering a ninched group who love to grief the players, they even kill me thru the wall, i cant see them and one shotted few times.
i believe they use illegal version addons made for PvP to cheat by all means nessessrary, there are some players with maxed 810cp and couldnt figure out how they got killed so quickly, i know CP dont apply in PVP, died like a wet paper. there was no "voltentang hammer" of doom.
i noticed from "super-destruct staff' fireball at me, and my bow and my staff are out of reach, got hit from extremely far distant and thru the walls.

Morgha_Kul · January 2020

The reality is that there can be no balance, even if the character classes and abilities were perfectly balanced, even if the players' skills were exactly balanced... because there's more than one person playing.

90% of the time, PvP consists of 30 people ganging up on one person. There is RARELY any real competition, because people insist on the gank game.

Of course, the classes aren't balanced, the abilities aren't balanced, and the disparity based on gear is so drastic that newer players simply cannot compete.

I wouldn't say don't play PvP. I'll say that I won't PvP, and that it's an incredibly steep climb for anyone trying to get into it. If you're not up for being cannon fodder for months or years and accomplishing very little in all of that time, then PvP in this game likely isn't something you'll enjoy.

JumpmanLane · January 2020

kingsforged wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

You can’t except, as a NEW player, to compete with people who have been playing the game for years. That’s just life.

You can’t expect to have the knowledge, the gear, or even the MEANS to get the gear when logging in for the first time. Put in the time. Put in your dues.

Why should people be expected to put time into a game that in no way supports them as new customers? People don't seem to understand what I'm getting at here... I'm not saying EXP players should be on the same field as totally new players, I'm saying THE GAP between the two is utterly ridiculous to the point that skill means next to nothing.

Though, if you don’t have knowledge of the game, your class, YOUR build (not someone’s you copied) you’re simply NOT skilled.

Take MagDk. If I put you in a top MagDk build gear and all, you couldn’t play it. It’s literally too advanced for someone new to the game.

ESO is complicated. There are no shortcuts to actually playing the game and learning and getting better. ZOS can’t do anything about the gap between a new player and one that’s played for years.

Gear is not why a new player loses to an experienced one. A new player is UNSKILLED compared to an experienced player.

To understand EXACTLY what I mean, watch @Sypher in his stream prior to ZOS’s recent big reveal on twitch. Now here is a highly skilled player in a jacked build basically dropping fools on skill alone. He had to carry that build because of all the many changes and nerfs by ZOS.

The most telling thing of the entire stream was when he says something like this: “That FOOTWORK! It takes TIME to learn that FOOTWORK.”

Your mistake is thinking that gear will carry you and that you’re skilled, as a novice, when you’re NOT.

I’m not trying to insult you. I hope you’re NOT offended. That IS NOT my intention. Like someone else said. This isn’t Fortnite. You can’t just log in and think you can compete. You CANT.

Watch @Sypher ‘s FORTNITE stream and you will see him do things instinctively like line of sighting in FORTNITE that he picked up probably in ESO or other games that they ain’t doing in Fortnite. And he’s MOPPING fools!

There are no shortcuts. You gotta put in the time.

CompM4s · January 2020

So because the op is terrible at pvp, zos should just cut a major part of their game. Many people play eso for the pvp aspect.

Best advice for new player is try to learn and podt lfg in zone chat to be picked up by zerg. Numbers are important when you first start and want to learn the basics.

Rave the Histborn · January 2020

kingsforged wrote: »

Rave the Histborn wrote: »

kingsforged wrote: »

DraconicFalcon wrote: »

kingsforged wrote: »

regime211 wrote: »

kingsforged wrote: »

wolfbone wrote: »

well, there's nothing forcing you into pvp, and the game is mainly pve.

Literally a PVP event on right now.

Someone legit posted saying pvp has only TWO events every year. While PVE has many every month or so. If you dont like pvp then DON'T! Pvp it's that plain and simple, I have seen below level 50s wreck Champion point players.

[Edit to remove bait]

Champion points are ACCOUNT-WIDE, just because they're not level 50 doesn't mean they don't have CP lol - you just can't see it!

My dude, Champion Points are disabled in Battlegrounds.

... and a pre-50 can't fight a level 50 in a BG...

Of course they can, they have stat scaling to bring them in line with each other

BGs use levels 10-49... literally says it in the description.

Lol

kingsforged wrote: »

Lol should have known this would devolve into a cesspool of fragile egos and people who need "Derek Zoolanders Center For Children Who Can't Read Good And Wanna Learn To Do Other Stuff Good Too". Every. Forum. Ever.

1) There is absolute minimal room to improve in a system that allows longer term players to drastically outgear newer ones to the point of being able to kill them in 2-3 hits. It's a .50 Cal vs a BB gun. The only "skill" left to them is to spend the entire match trying to avoid those experienced players and hope to find other regular geared players. The only way to "out-skill" the gear difference and win matches is if the geared player is an absolute waste of space who only focuses kills in a non-deathmatch BG.

2) "they can get gear from guild mates and other players" Yeahhh... great. Assuming they join the game with instant knowledge of the ins and outs of the games systems, such as the multiple guild system, alchemy, food buffs, gear traits and the crafted sets... because every new player obviously already knows everything about the game they've just joined BEFOREHAND...

3) "I can do well in basic gear" =O guess what?! ... You're being matched with OTHER REGULAR PLAYERS. Congratulations. Stick at it and you'll find out the difference soon enough.

4) "insert petty insult because I can't hold a conversation and have nothing of any value or input to say". Grow up. Get some real friends. Get out more.

How to improve the experience -

A) Have a tutorial quest that involves playing out the basics of BGs at level 10. Simple text based descriptions aren't good enough. Have a small simulated instanced BG quest showcasing the basics of Capture, Chaosball etc against NPCs.

Supply 1-2 sets of gear after the starter quest along with a small amount of food buff items and potions (Impregnable would be a solid PVP starter set, supplying tri-stat and crit resist). This introduces players to set bonuses and buff items. Explain the importance of these items, gear set bonuses and gear traits.

C) Scale better. It needs to go beyond level scaling. Stats need to scale towards players TOTAL stat pool, bringing everyone up comparative to the strongest in the lobby. Experienced players will still be able to craft specifically tailored sets and items, but newer players will still be able to somewhat compete, without feeling like they're wearing wet paper towels for armour and being shredded to pieces in under 5 seconds.

1) There's tons of space to improve, you'd just rather walk in circles complaining about everything else.

2) Joining a guild is easier than ever and if you dont want to you can ask in zone. If you join pvp and you dont understand bugs like food, traits, etc. that's on you and no one else. These exist in PVE as well, they're not magically specific to PVP.

3) No, these players took the time you didnt to improve themselves. It's odd that these players are fighting every other chump in the game but you claim to only be fighting the best of the best. Doesnt work that way.

A) That's not going to improve your game.

They already learn gear importance in PVE and why would you supply crappy started sets as a solution. That just means you'll get a set you dont use or need.

C) Extra stats aren't going to make you a better player

Kalante · January 2020

To the OP and any PVP haters. If yall didn't know, when this game it first came out PVP was one of its major advertisements was the large scale battles in cyrodiil. PVE actually ruined PVP because of the bots in PVE and zos then implemented the infamous lighting patch against the bots and utterly destroyed PVP performance.

Beardimus · January 2020

Why folks have to hate on areas of the game others enjoy I don't know.

You don't like PvP, fine, stay out. For those of us that do it's a viable end game. I'd have left years ago without it, as there is no PvE end game.

Everything you say applies to PvE too, except you can float around not being any good if all you do is clear overland and don't worry about DPS, gear or knowing your build.

PvE threshold comes from vMA in my book, it forces you to get to a decent level at least. PvP has the same checks.

It's absolutely is about 'get gud' but perhaps it should be said to just get better, at everything. Understanding mechanics, etc

mague · January 2020

kingsforged wrote: »

If you're new or new-ish player, just don't play PVP. ESPECIALLY below Level 50.

ESO has no PvP. It has GvG and AvA, but no PvP. And the Problem is that a vast number of players dont get it or ignore the fact that ESO has no PvP.

On some days AvA can be really fun. On any other day it is better to just leave the zone and do something else. Or, like on Midyear Mayham, just do your thing for the event and dont take it serious at all.

OWLTHEMAD · January 2020

It might surprise a lot of PURE pve'ers, but the pvp in this game is mechanically a very fun and satisfying experience. Yes there are serious balance issues, but the combat is just plain fun and complex in a satisfying way. Its not pure reaction, its strategy and skill.

Its both sad and silly when one group of people advocates taking something away from another group. You (OP) may not enjoy pvp, and may even look at it with disdain, but there are a lot of players who love this game for its pvp, and a lot of players who dont do pvp all the time but wouldnt play if it wasnt at least available. It is literally half of the endgame. With the other half being essentially vet trials, which likely holds an even smaller percentage of the game population due to the high skill requirements. Pvp on the other hand can be enjoyed by those of moderate or even low skill (read: noobs) so long as they are willing to play with a group.

Trying to scare people away from a fun and perfectly valid part of the game is just mean spirited.

TX12001rwb17_ESO · January 2020

The only PvP in ESO is Dueling in the PvE Zones

What we get in Cyrodiil is mostly Player vs Zerg or Zerg vs Zerg but rarely ever 1 vs 1.

Trancestor · January 2020

Ur bad and nobody should take under 50 pvp seriously.

Yasha · January 2020

What the OP said is true to some extent. The bottom line is that the under-50 pvp campaign is not set up to provide a great experience for new players. Access to crafted sets and skill-line buys gives a massive advantage to experienced players. This is especially true because you need to upgrade your gear every few levels to stay strong. A new player typically won't have the resources to make/buy new purple gear sets every few levels.

Indepth · January 2020

RefLiberty wrote: »

PvP needs to be canceled and resources put in good use instead of wasting in that group of 5% players being not useful to game or anyone.
ESO is sold based on PVE legacy anyway.

Dude you must be dumb as hell or it is a first of april kind bad joke..

Ok lets say you are dumb and I will try to refresh your memory...

-Matt Firor (here we go) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Firor

-Tri Faction as Matt Firor also co produced DAoC (here we go) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Age_of_Camelot

-Races initialy locked by faction until Imperial version

-RvR component

But I agree, now the game is for the plebs of pve fans but it never meant to be originaly.

People from Warhammer Online, Dark Age of Camelot, World of Warcraft, Age of Conan, Aion and also Swtor were waiting for ESO as tri faction pvp/rvr game.
You should have seen the closed and opened beta testing and the release in 2014 before you come with biased arguments.
I was there and dude that was amazing to see legend premade team like WaR LegenD, Phoenix, Curse, No Manner, Faith, Millenium, Blow, Red Dwarf and The Crusade for example.. all over Cyrodiil.

Waylander07 · January 2020

RefLiberty wrote: »

PvP needs to be canceled and resources put in good use instead of wasting in that group of 5% players being not useful to game or anyone.
ESO is sold based on PVE legacy anyway.
As someone said, they need to be contained in that map of theirs, with no influence on game whatsoever.
Game has been broken so many times by trying to balance that game "mod", su much waste.
So much money being wasted on pvp, so much nerfs/buffs, so much work hours.
If there is no pvp Eso, could have funded a space force program or at least ESO 2 engine.
So much resources.
Make PvP secondary feature, Make ESO great again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-djM46Qpw7I

If you watch the Launch Trailer you will see that it was sold as large armies sieging and defending a keep which sounds like pvp to me and was what brought me to the game. In my opinion end game pve is all about repeatedly doing the same content over and over till new stuff gets released. The Undaunted dailys is a prime example of doing the same thing over and over.

With pvp your opponents are constantly improving and opponents learn from fighting you which makes it a challenge. I get why this is not for some people but you have the same choice as pvp players have who have to pve for gear. Either do it or dont but dont call to get rid of somthing many people enjoy just because it is not for you.

gatekeeper13 · January 2020

Stebarnz wrote: »

PVP is the ONLY end game unless you like a modern simon says, where you press certain buttons at a scripted time.

Accept this truth about the game or move along.

If you cant pvp or don't have the patience to learn that's fine but don't be a whiny b***h about it.

Nope. I do both PVP and PVE and I find the real endgame to be PVE. VetTrials (and some vet DLC dungeons) are way more difficult and put hell lot more stress than any pvp confrontation does. Plus, what you say about "scripted time" makes no sense. Mechanics may be scripted but situations are random. One mistake in a difficult pve content is instant wipe, one mistake in PVP may mean actually nothing. (many mistakes will kill you ofc)

Actually they are two different things and being excellent in one doesnt make you excellent in both. Different builds, different gameplay, different goals.

redlink1979 · January 2020

kingsforged wrote: »

If you can't craft top-tier gear, buffs and potions

Ask your friends or guild mates if you need gear or consumables...

Need some skill from skill lines? Are they mandatory to your playstyle? Then go play the game and unlock them first: know your priorities.

So, jump straight to PvP with your low level char if you want to... Really...

And peeps, don't be afraid to PvP. OP has a point but he's not totally right: I started playing PvP in NA to unlock skill lines primary, played no CP for a while and I didn't needed all that you wrote to win ap, xp and unlock the desired skills/passives.