Class Change Token

FierceSam · November 2019

barney2525 wrote: »

graybeardII wrote: »

For me its my crafter he could be any class but what he is but he has millions in motifs and recipes and trates researched so cant start over so a change token would be nice

Ummm... why?

Why would you want your master crafter to be the main character you use? The amount of skill points required to Be a master crafter would prevent the character from having more than just the basics of combat skills.

And quite frankly, I have never understood the mindset that I should have Only One main character. I have a master crafter. He was, at one point, my main character. Now he is retired and does all my crafting and deconning. I have several different characters, of different classes that I use as main characters.

Just don't understand why players go out of their way to restrict themselves.

IMHO

Hey dude,

There are actually quite enough skill points to allow anyone’s main to also be a master crafter. So that shouldn’t be a block. You can do all the hard yards (learning traits in particular) with no skill points in crafting. All my characters research traits all the time. All of them are L50 in alchemy and provisioning as soon as they can be. The reason they’re not all master crafters is simply the motif learning.

I guess the reason people want their main to be a master crafter is threefold.

First, to have one character who has all the achievements (which is a big thing to some people)

Second, so that it’s easy to decon, create and improve items on the one character because switching characters and inventory management is enough of a pain already.

And, third, some players only have one character (I don’t really understand it now, but I did play until CP 460 with one character until I’d done Cadwell’s Gold before I created a second character, so it’s definitely a thing too).

And that’s one of the beautiful things about the game, you can do it the way you want.

And in terms of the OP, Class Change Tokens? Just say no.

Langeston · November 2019

idk wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

idk wrote: »

graybeardII wrote: »

For me its my crafter he could be any class but what he is but he has millions in motifs and recipes and trates researched so cant start over so a change token would be nice

If you rolled an alt you do not lose your crafter.

Maybe not. But if you liked the class so much you wanted to make it your new "main" you would either have to restart nearly everything or log out and into a different character every time you wanted to craft something. That would be incredibly annoying, at least for me.

For those who enjoy making "alts"... then yes, I suppose just getting a new character to 50 to try out a new class isn't that big a deal. But for someone who is actually wanting to change the class of their main character - being the one they predominately play and have all their achievements on - then yeah, that is a nightmare and there really ought to be a more effective remedy for players who would like to do this.

If they are really that concerned over crown store sells or the impact such an option would have, they could limit the amount of times players could do this or something. But there needs to be some way for a player to change the class of their main character without having to redo most of the entire game (which has taken me literally years to do).

First of all, it is not a maybe. It is a solid fact one does not lose any of their crafting skills on their first character when they start a second.

I also find it hard to believe a player would find it "incredibly annoying" to swap to another character for the rare crafting requirement. Especially since it should only affect weapons and armor as it is so easy and cheap to level up alchemy and provisioning.

Regardless, either get used to only playing that one class or roll deal with rolling an alt because it does seem Zos made clear they were not adding a means to change a characters class. Because someone wants a means to change the class of a character does not make it a need.

1. No kidding, genius. It's pretty clear that he wasn't disputing whether or not your main actually loses skill points when you create & level a new toon. 🙄

2. Who cares what you believe re: what other people find annoying? Let me answer that for you: literally no one. Unless you have all of your toons fully leveled in deconning and improving gear, any time you want to decon or improve something you either have to change toons or waste materials, both of which are less than optimal. You also need to switch toons for master writs & to do surveys, unless you want to get low level materials. Because I do all of that quite frequently, I find swapping toons for it tedious & annoying. Do I care if you believe me? NOPE!

3.

Because someone wants a means to change the class of a character does not make it a need.

Nice straw man. No one is mistaking the desire for a class change token as a "need." This is a f'ing video game, and I'm pretty sure literally everything even tangentially related to it qualifies as a "want."

Your entire comment was pointless — why did you even bother? Do you just like to argue & put down other people's point of view? You must be a blast at parties.

Lady_Linux · November 2019

MujdatMurdock wrote: »

SERVER change token should be salable in crown store.

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There. fixed that for you

Iccotak · November 2019

One of the major points behind the release of a New Class is that you make a new character for a different & new experience.

Wing · November 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

I don’t see the point behind a class change token. It takes longer to level skill lines then it does to get to 50, restarting a new character lets you do both at once.

if you don't want to repeat content, or want to be a completionist, or only want to play one character, or any number of other reasons, a class change token would be nice.

besides, that argument goes both ways, if its so easy to make a character and level to 50, then what does it hurt to let someone change class of a character.

Langeston · November 2019

Wing wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

I don’t see the point behind a class change token. It takes longer to level skill lines then it does to get to 50, restarting a new character lets you do both at once.

if you don't want to repeat content, or want to be a completionist, or only want to play one character, or any number of other reasons, a class change token would be nice.

besides, that argument goes both ways, if its so easy to make a character and level to 50, then what does it hurt to let someone change class of a character.

This is a good point. The only people this hurts are the completionists. The PVPers chasing the meta don't care about leveling a toon to 50 — in fact they very likely already have a stamina & magicka toon of each class, and they just swap mains every time the meta changes.

Even if class changes were limited to one toon per account or one toon per account per year, it would be a welcome change. Some people just want their main to be the class they enjoy playing the most. I got lucky in that regard, but I know a lot of people that are not so lucky.

MujdatMurdock · November 2019

Lady_Linux wrote: »

MujdatMurdock wrote: »

SERVER change token should be salable in crown store.

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There. fixed that for you

For what. Its bad joke man

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO · November 2019

I mean we could also have account wide achievements like most decent games...but u know...they will always prioritize the money b4 players...proven fact is how the skyshards were handled...and now that pig? I mean 1200 crowns for 5 inventory slots is a ripoff...not to mention that this is getting subtle p2w vibe in the future...whats gonna be next? pets that increase our dmg output passively? stats? regens? defense?

kargen27 · November 2019

Wing wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

I don’t see the point behind a class change token. It takes longer to level skill lines then it does to get to 50, restarting a new character lets you do both at once.

if you don't want to repeat content, or want to be a completionist, or only want to play one character, or any number of other reasons, a class change token would be nice.

besides, that argument goes both ways, if its so easy to make a character and level to 50, then what does it hurt to let someone change class of a character.

It hurts the health of the game because MMO's survive on new content and content being repeated. A class change token would take some incentive away from repeating content.

Nic727 · January 2020

Why everyone make it looks complicated?
1. Use class change token
2. Skills which are not linked to a class are not reset.
3. Class skills reset, but you have the skills point back and you can use them.

What’s hard?

Banana · January 2020

My stamdk has been wanting a career change for a long time now. Come on ZOS. We the people want to give you 💰

Vanos444 · January 2020

MujdatMurdock wrote: »

Class change token should be salable in crown store. And also asisstance should have acces to guild store guild bank and also should have rpr section.

I want to share my opinion . ZoS probly thinks, its probly will effect the crown sales. Like riding skill sales like skill line sales like outfit slot etc. If you afraid from that you can reset our riding sikils or skill points doesnt metter. Im sure its not big problem we can make it again. But we cant make achivment again. So you can sell it from high price or just reset our skills , riding skills etc. Doesnt metter we only care our achivmetns. There is not any bad thing about your sales. You can still make profit from it. Its not hard to do it. And there is second option , achivment should bind to account not character. There are always solutuion.

That's the reason FFXIV is a big hit because one character can switch classes on the fly.

x48rph · January 2020

Vanos444 wrote: »

MujdatMurdock wrote: »

Class change token should be salable in crown store. And also asisstance should have acces to guild store guild bank and also should have rpr section.

I want to share my opinion . ZoS probly thinks, its probly will effect the crown sales. Like riding skill sales like skill line sales like outfit slot etc. If you afraid from that you can reset our riding sikils or skill points doesnt metter. Im sure its not big problem we can make it again. But we cant make achivment again. So you can sell it from high price or just reset our skills , riding skills etc. Doesnt metter we only care our achivmetns. There is not any bad thing about your sales. You can still make profit from it. Its not hard to do it. And there is second option , achivment should bind to account not character. There are always solutuion.

That's the reason FFXIV is a big hit because one character can switch classes on the fly.

So true, it's one of the best things about ffxiv, I don't need to make 10 alts just to try everything

Honestly, I thought for a little while we might eventually get a class change token but once they started adding skyshards to the crown store I was doubtful and after they added skill lines I figured it was pretty much a done deal that they weren't going to consider it.

BlossomDead · January 2020

I only logged in to like the OP and a couple of more posts. I couldn't agree more - now I am leveling up another toon just because I couldn't change class. And it is also especially useful for players that do not have a lot of time to start all over again.

I simply don't understand people commenting against this suggestion - if you don't like it, feel free not to buy it. Carry on with your alts. It does not affect your gameplay in any way.

Alienoutlaw · January 2020

what your actually asking for is a META switch for crowns.
a new fashion appears and you want it there and then as you think it will make you better so instead of grinding up a new Alt just pay for it

starkerealm · January 2020

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

what your actually asking for is a META switch for crowns.
a new fashion appears and you want it there and then as you think it will make you better so instead of grinding up a new Alt just pay for it

I mean, you're not wrong. It's not that hard to get 6 characters up and running, at that point it's just race changes if you care about that.

MujdatMurdock · January 2020

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

what your actually asking for is a META switch for crowns.
a new fashion appears and you want it there and then as you think it will make you better so instead of grinding up a new Alt just pay for it

Only pvp players talking about meta. I dont care meta what it was. Im focusing on my progress other things not my bussines.

Nic727 · January 2020

BlossomDead wrote: »

I only logged in to like the OP and a couple of more posts. I couldn't agree more - now I am leveling up another toon just because I couldn't change class. And it is also especially useful for players that do not have a lot of time to start all over again.

I simply don't understand people commenting against this suggestion - if you don't like it, feel free not to buy it. Carry on with your alts. It does not affect your gameplay in any way.

Exactly!

People saying "it only take 40 hours to grind from lvl 1 to 50" and blablabla... THAT'S NOT TRUE!
I'm lvl 41 and I've been playing more than 100 hours and I just don't want to start again from scratch, loosing all my achievements, events items, etc.
IRL, you can change job. Why not in ESO?

Enodoc · January 2020

Nic727 wrote: »

Why everyone make it looks complicated?
1. Use class change token
2. Skills which are not linked to a class are not reset.
3. Class skills reset, but you have the skills point back and you can use them.

What’s hard?

Perfect summary of the solution IMO.

I don't think anyone is refuting the suggestion that you would have to retrain the class skills. It's all the other progress that people don't want to lose.

CaptainVenom · January 2020

+1 for class change. It's been asked for ages now. What's keeping ZOS for doing it so hard? It's quite unlikely someones's gonna pay for skyshards, riding lessons and skill lines altogether. It's too expensive.

starkerealm · January 2020

Nic727 wrote: »

People saying "it only take 40 hours to grind from lvl 1 to 50" and blablabla... THAT'S NOT TRUE!

You can do it in under two hours if you're so inclined. It's about understanding how to maximize XP gains.

Nic727 wrote: »

I'm lvl 41 and I've been playing more than 100 hours and I just don't want to start again from scratch, loosing all my achievements, events items, etc.

You don't lose your items. To be fair, at level 41, your items are kinda trash, no offense. Once you get to CP160, then you can actually start collecting gear that matters. But, until then, your gear will outdate as you advance. You can pass gear between characters on your account.

Actually, this is one the more important things to understand about leveling alts. Your account, as a whole, opens up a lot of options to smooth the process of leveling alts. If you have a crafter, you can basically ignore dropped gear when you're leveling alts, because you can simply gear them up at set intervals, and with gear better than you'd find in drops (if you're so inclined.)

I'm honestly not sure how you put 100 hours on a character without hitting 50. There's a lot ways you can quickly level, so spending that long at low levels kinda baffles me.

Nic727 wrote: »

IRL, you can change job. Why not in ESO?

The real answer is: Because your class is baked your character record in ways that are difficult to change after the fact. I don't know the full details there, but, short answer is, "it's not possible," and the team is not interested in spending the time messing with the database, and risking some widespread data corruption, to make it a thing.

ZonasArch · January 2020

Iskiab wrote: »

I don’t see the point behind a class change token. It takes longer to level skill lines then it does to get to 50, restarting a new character lets you do both at once.

Hm... Class skills, maybe. What about literally all the other skill lines except those three? Or you wanna tell me it's faster to raise everything up than it is to raise just class skills?

Your argument is delusional.

Also, I'm an altaholic, I love raising new toons, and I probably wouldn't use class tokens, but some people would and that's fine by me. Why not?

Nic727 · February 2020

I was thinking about that. Since you can already change race, does it change your race passive? How does it work? I never changed race.

Raudgrani · February 2020

Iskiab wrote: »

I don’t see the point behind a class change token. It takes longer to level skill lines then it does to get to 50, restarting a new character lets you do both at once.

Well, when you race change - you don't have to level racial skills either. AFAIK there are the same number of skills for all classes(?), why not just allow it, and just "swap skills" in the corresponding order? Better than nothing I guess, I can't see why it would hurt in any way.

starkerealm · February 2020

Raudgrani wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

I don’t see the point behind a class change token. It takes longer to level skill lines then it does to get to 50, restarting a new character lets you do both at once.

Well, when you race change - you don't have to level racial skills either. AFAIK there are the same number of skills for all classes(?), why not just allow it, and just "swap skills" in the corresponding order? Better than nothing I guess, I can't see why it would hurt in any way.

You racial skill line advances based on XP received. It should always match your total 1-50 progression. Also, all racial skills are passives, which don't have to be leveled, just the line itself. Your class skill lines advance based on 15% of earned XP per slotted skill from that skill line, and they will basically never match your level.

The funny thing is, your class has far more influence on how you play the game, especially at high levels, than your race does. So, class change would be a far more significant shift, and one most players wouldn't be able to really benefit from.