madman65 wrote: »

Just going to mention the cheating and ESO does nothing about it.

Money, money... moneyyyyyyyyy.

kingsforged wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

kingsforged wrote: »

If you're new or new-ish player, just don't play PVP. ESPECIALLY below Level 50.

Absolutely ZERO thought or effort has gone into maintaining ANY kind of balance in any of the PVP game modes. Below level 50 being some of the absolute worst of it. If you can't craft top-tier gear, buffs and potions (which can take months to research enough traits to do) and pay to unlock the extra skill lines (maxed out using a high level main) using Crowns, you have absolutely NO chance of competing AT ALL.

It's not a question of skill or class. It's not a question of builds. You can't "git gud". It's a pure "craft and pay to win" game and there's nothing you can do about it.

If you're looking for a PVP game to jump into. This isn't it. Don't waste your time or your money.

Dude pvp as a new player will get you destroyed until you learn. You can't expect to be godly instantly.

Ughhhhh... what about this is SO difficult for people to understand...

THE. GAP. BETWEEN. EXPERIENCED. PLAYERS. USING. CRAFTED. ITEMS. IS. TOO. LARGE. COMPARED. TO. NEW. PLAYERS.

Newer players have NO way to compete against crafted sets, especially in pre-50s PVP content. There is no gear that can be acquired in a reasonable fashion to be competitive as a newer player, outside of having an experienced player craft and gift it to you.

I HAVE crafted gear. This is not about me. It's about people getting screwed by this completely unbalanced system.

And for you it seems quite difficult to understand that this is still a MMO game, which are usually based on new players learning their classes, skills and crafting for the first few months and basically learning the game before they start doing endgame like trials or pvp.

You know, like we all did?

An MMO is not a game like Fortnite or PUBG where you can just jump in and start fighting right away.

RefLiberty wrote: »

PvP needs to be canceled and resources put in good use instead of wasting in that group of 5% players being not useful to game or anyone.
ESO is sold based on PVE legacy anyway.
As someone said, they need to be contained in that map of theirs, with no influence on game whatsoever.
Game has been broken so many times by trying to balance that game "mod", su much waste.
So much money being wasted on pvp, so much nerfs/buffs, so much work hours.
If there is no pvp Eso, could have funded a space force program or at least ESO 2 engine.
So much resources.
Make PvP secondary feature, Make ESO great again.

You people need to get the *** out of here. Canceling a part the game that tons of people enjoy just because you don’t like it or aren’t good at it or whatever the reason may be. Worst attitude to have ever. And where did you get that 5 percent number? Nowhere, yea? Go away.

irstarkey57 wrote: »

oxygen_thief wrote: »

they can also drop dungeons and trials and put resources in good use instead of wasting in that group of 5% players being not useful to game. ESO is sold based on PVE legacy so theres no need in anything except quests, outfits and households

Gross. Many of us, cp1480 etc, after having all skins, titles, achieves...don’t want to run the same dungeon / trial for the 400th time. So pvp becomes our end game. So careful what you wish for. Everyone gets bored of Pve at some point and gives pvp a serious try and most never look back.

Exactly. My wife and I started doing pvp after getting bored of doing dungeons/trials for 3 years.

Never understood the ' My Word Is Law ' point of view.

You don't like PvP in ESO ? Fine. You want to express your Opinion on it ? Fine.

You want to make claims as if they were Fact - ( when they are not ) ? Bad idea.

Completely undermines anything you had to say and makes you look like a whiny child.

And just out of curiosity, WHY would you think PvP would be 'balanced' ? The levels of characters can be balanced but it is ridiculous to even imagine that any system that does not use a number rated gear score system could possibly 'balance' both level and gear. So of course top gear is going to have an advantage. That is just common sense. But then again I suppose you think they should not use the gear they EARNED playing the game. No, according to you, if they have better gear and more skill lines, they Bought them with crowns. After all, according to you, nobody just invests their time playing the game and Earning their gear and skill lines, right?

IMHO

PVP is the hardest content in ESO by far because you’re not spamming a rotation and moving out of the red circles

It takes skill, tactics and team work which is why ofc many people hate it.

Modern day games unable to enjoy a challenging experience and everything must be handed to them on a plate.

Funny thing. My PvP experience is completely different from topic starter. Actually, I started another character just to play below 50lvl and finally kill someone on BGs.

Here's my story. While I played BGs on my first char (I spend a lot of time there), blow 50lvl of course, I was actually good. Quite enough kills, many wins. That was awesome!

But then I reached 50lvl... And suddenly I became damn deadweight to my team. I am dying after 2 of 3 seconds in battle. Absolutely nothing is helping. Right now I don't have an opportunity to create a good gear, and looks like this is the only thing that makes me a target practice to other players.

So I honestly prefer BGs below 50lvl. Somehow my skill helpes me to fight and win there, not my gear.

My dream is to see they get rid of this "PVP area" and turn Cyrodiil into a PVE zone, then add the rest of the areas we long for.

There are Arenas and Battlegrounds for PVP, already. Or at least add a "PVE Campaign".

Lol should have known this would devolve into a cesspool of fragile egos and people who need "Derek Zoolanders Center For Children Who Can't Read Good And Wanna Learn To Do Other Stuff Good Too". Every. Forum. Ever.

1) There is absolute minimal room to improve in a system that allows longer term players to drastically outgear newer ones to the point of being able to kill them in 2-3 hits. It's a .50 Cal vs a BB gun. The only "skill" left to them is to spend the entire match trying to avoid those experienced players and hope to find other regular geared players. The only way to "out-skill" the gear difference and win matches is if the geared player is an absolute waste of space who only focuses kills in a non-deathmatch BG.

2) "they can get gear from guild mates and other players" Yeahhh... great. Assuming they join the game with instant knowledge of the ins and outs of the games systems, such as the multiple guild system, alchemy, food buffs, gear traits and the crafted sets... because every new player obviously already knows everything about the game they've just joined BEFOREHAND...

3) "I can do well in basic gear" =O guess what?! ... You're being matched with OTHER REGULAR PLAYERS. Congratulations. Stick at it and you'll find out the difference soon enough.

4) "insert petty insult because I can't hold a conversation and have nothing of any value or input to say". Grow up. Get some real friends. Get out more.

How to improve the experience -

A) Have a tutorial quest that involves playing out the basics of BGs at level 10. Simple text based descriptions aren't good enough. Have a small simulated instanced BG quest showcasing the basics of Capture, Chaosball etc against NPCs.

Supply 1-2 sets of gear after the starter quest along with a small amount of food buff items and potions (Impregnable would be a solid PVP starter set, supplying tri-stat and crit resist). This introduces players to set bonuses and buff items. Explain the importance of these items, gear set bonuses and gear traits.

C) Scale better. It needs to go beyond level scaling. Stats need to scale towards players TOTAL stat pool, bringing everyone up comparative to the strongest in the lobby. Experienced players will still be able to craft specifically tailored sets and items, but newer players will still be able to somewhat compete, without feeling like they're wearing wet paper towels for armour and being shredded to pieces in under 5 seconds.

This still a thing? PvE players come into Cyrodiil with all divines and no PvP oriented abilities and get mad when we wipe them in seconds?

WEAR IMPEN, STUN, ROOT, BUFF, HEAL. It’s not that hard to PvP.