Deals 98% of the same damage as Relentless Focus(which is considered the hardest hitting stamina ability) for 80% of the required LAs and comes with great unique passive bonuses, still needs a buff? You claim some ability hits 2x or 3x as hard as Bound Armaments, name one please. Heck, please 2x or 3x, name one ability that hits even 1.5x harder than BA.

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

TBois wrote: »

The skill fits fine in a 2h build. You use it to keep sustained pressure for that split second when you are unable to stay in melee range or you have an opponent who is good at dodging dizzies. It's super cheap and it does do more damage than dizzy when fully procced despite what people in this thread have said. Go test it. It also give you access to 3 passives 20% stam recovery, 20% health recovery and 8% health.

What's your experience, how reliably do you hit/ get hit with BA's full force?
I'm not the best player but neither did it secure my kills nor was it what killed me ever.

Same here, if its argued it should be used as an execute then using executioner is far more effective, if its argued that its meant to be used just as a pure damage ability on an enemy with full or close to full health it just isn't worth using.

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

TBois wrote: »

The skill fits fine in a 2h build. You use it to keep sustained pressure for that split second when you are unable to stay in melee range or you have an opponent who is good at dodging dizzies. It's super cheap and it does do more damage than dizzy when fully procced despite what people in this thread have said. Go test it. It also give you access to 3 passives 20% stam recovery, 20% health recovery and 8% health.

What's your experience, how reliably do you hit/ get hit with BA's full force?
I'm not the best player but neither did it secure my kills nor was it what killed me ever.

I definitely don't use it to secure kills. I'm still getting used to it in pvp, but a little after 4:30 in the video below there is a good example of when I used it to keep pressure up while I blocked which I couldn't do with dizzy.

https://youtu.be/sePufqbvnWc

In that same instance you can see that bound armaments does 1.3k non crit damage per hit and 2.1k crit damage per hit where my wrecking blow hit the same person for 4.9k crit damage right after. Even if all the dagger didn't crit it still does more damage than dizzy would crit.

MCBIZZLE300 wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

TBois wrote: »

The skill fits fine in a 2h build. You use it to keep sustained pressure for that split second when you are unable to stay in melee range or you have an opponent who is good at dodging dizzies. It's super cheap and it does do more damage than dizzy when fully procced despite what people in this thread have said. Go test it. It also give you access to 3 passives 20% stam recovery, 20% health recovery and 8% health.

What's your experience, how reliably do you hit/ get hit with BA's full force?
I'm not the best player but neither did it secure my kills nor was it what killed me ever.

Same here, if its argued it should be used as an execute then using executioner is far more effective, if its argued that its meant to be used just as a pure damage ability on an enemy with full or close to full health it just isn't worth using.

It is just used for pure damage. So in your mind it isn't worth it even though it costs less than most spammables to release, hits harder than all stam spammables, and can be animation canceled unlike dizzy swing? It is integral in 2h stam sorc pve dps because of the cost and damage. If it didn't do more damage than wrecking blow (pve dizzy swing) it definitely wouldn't be worth the second activation, and all good 2h stam parses use it.

The changes to BA were welcome and much needed, but it still feels underwhelming in pvp imo. 9/10 of the time people dodge roll/block most of your daggers and it just ends up feeling like a waste of time. Often the damage feels lackluster even when they do land. But maybe that's just a problem with healing and tankiness in general right now. The passives from the skill are nice and the passives from slotting something from the Daedric Summoning are crucial to our survivability and sustain, but I find myself wishing I could drop it for the minor berserk morph of Evil Hunter.

As always, the worst thing about playing stamsorc is that our options are so limited and we have to slot lame skills that we dont even like (BA, Undo, maybe Atro on your backbar if you wanted the regen on both bars) because just about every in house morph is based around magicka and our ult options are aids as stam. Name one other class that has ults so useless to your resource pool that people dont use ANY of them in pvp. I could cope with this a little better if we had a reliable stam spammable or even just tied the passives from BA and the DS tree to THE active BA buff itself instead of only getting it on the bar you have it slotted on.

P.S. keep your stupid stam pets, no one wants them

Ya I wouldnt mind a 15% buff in damage and have a minor debuff.

The skill would probably be fine if all 4 daggers hit within 1 GCD. The 4th dagger currently bleeds into a 2nd GCD, making the ability too clunky and slow to effectively burst with.