GJ you buffed the biggest carry set in the game.

Iskiab · January 2020

Sorbin wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Anyone who is casting this every 3s is doing about 30% less damage to you than they could be using offensive skills. Why shouldn’t you do 30% less damage to them?

How do you figure they’re doing 30% less damage by running BRP DW? In melee range by running an infused weapon damage enchant on your back bar quick cloak is as close as you can get to 100% uptime on the enchant. If you use hots to heal, which everyone does, just pop quick cloak and switch back to offense.

Idk if the set should be nerfed though it will be mandatory. With damage up major evasion to help counter blastbones and shalks burst will be pretty handy. I think stamwarden and stamnecros will be pretty deadly.

All the cost reduction is really doing is allowing mag builds to run it too.

I just mean that someone casting Wrecking Blow, Wrecking Blow, Quick Cloak is doing a lot less damage than someone casting Wrecking Blow, Wrecking Blow, Wrecking Blow. So their opponent might be annoyed they are harder to kill, but that opponent might not even be alive to complain otherwise.

In general it seems like people are dissatisfied anytime their opponent doesn’t immediately fall over.

This is not a realistic example of PvP at all. You use Quick Cloak until your weapon damage peaks and you're ready to ult. BRP allows you to stalemate almost infinitely until you're ready to drop huge damage.

That’s one way of doing it yea. I see this playstyle more on S&B.

BRP DW I see moreso on high damage specs. Like a little edge when you first brawl to turn the tide in your favour. It’s also great while kiting.

BRP DW I also find more of a threat imo. I usually play magtemplar so evasion sucks, and those S&B users have zero chance at killing me. The S&B people are the tanks complaining about it being a tank meta, hypocracy at its finest. I only see someone as a threat with a bow or DW BRP back bar.

Edit - about S&B, except DKs if I’m sloppy

MaskedHuman · January 2020

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"Both BRP DW and BRP resto deserve a nerf. 100% uptime on demand on very powerful buffs is just O_o Both sets are carry sets, just like dizzy used to be with knockback. When it got removed suddenly all those "pros" are gone.

Totally agree, Healing is already overtuned because they buffed it in scalebreaker to battle dots, but they nerfed dots to the ground and kept healing as it is, so you see vigor and rapid regen ticking for insane numbers, and even more insane numbers with blackrose resto.

And BRP DW is just a straight carry, I run it on my stamplar and I literally have on demand 38% mitigation, and 63% mitigation to aoe abilities.

Dark_Lord_Kuro · January 2020

I dont see the problem
They reduced the cost of most aoe dot since it was to high since last patch
Poeple cry because cost is too high
Zon reduce it
People cry because now a set is as easy to use as it was 3 months ago

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evoniee · January 2020

tbf i would rather block with 1h+s if i dont really need the major expedition via dw, or i can just use master bow to get major expedition.

i never see a dw at pvp recently

BalticBlues · January 2020

MaskedHuman wrote: »

Healing is already overtuned because they buffed it in scalebreaker to battle dots, but they nerfed dots to the ground and kept healing as it is, so you see vigor [...] ticking for insane numbers

This. Healing and mitigation are so insane now that many builds are almost indestructable.

For years Stamina players were crying on the forums to get shields nerfed - again and again.
And today? Shields (and LA with it) are almost worthless in PVP. Instead, now HeavyTanks are the meta.
HeavyStamTanks are fast, can output high damage and are great Vigor healers - making them almost indestructable.

Why are some playstyles almost useless now - and one playstyle now is ruling them all?

Ariades_swe · January 2020

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TheFM · January 2020

MaskedHuman wrote: »

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Mayrael wrote:

"Both BRP DW and BRP resto deserve a nerf. 100% uptime on demand on very powerful buffs is just O_o Both sets are carry sets, just like dizzy used to be with knockback. When it got removed suddenly all those "pros" are gone.

Totally agree, Healing is already overtuned because they buffed it in scalebreaker to battle dots, but they nerfed dots to the ground and kept healing as it is, so you see vigor and rapid regen ticking for insane numbers, and even more insane numbers with blackrose resto.

And BRP DW is just a straight carry, I run it on my stamplar and I literally have on demand 38% mitigation, and 63% mitigation to aoe abilities.

As an exaggerated example, if 1 mill damage came in, the daggers could cause you to negate 300 THOUSAND damage. With the resto staff you could heal for a tick of 8 k.

Again, NOT EVEN anywhere on the same planet. Resto staff is fine, the daggers are not. We do not need ANOTHER blow to magicka users, when vigor out performs every single resto staff self heal already.

MaskedHuman · January 2020

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Mayrael wrote:

"Both BRP DW and BRP resto deserve a nerf. 100% uptime on demand on very powerful buffs is just O_o Both sets are carry sets, just like dizzy used to be with knockback. When it got removed suddenly all those "pros" are gone.

Totally agree, Healing is already overtuned because they buffed it in scalebreaker to battle dots, but they nerfed dots to the ground and kept healing as it is, so you see vigor and rapid regen ticking for insane numbers, and even more insane numbers with blackrose resto.

And BRP DW is just a straight carry, I run it on my stamplar and I literally have on demand 38% mitigation, and 63% mitigation to aoe abilities.

As an exaggerated example, if 1 mill damage came in, the daggers could cause you to negate 300 THOUSAND damage. With the resto staff you could heal for a tick of 8 k.

Again, NOT EVEN anywhere on the same planet. Resto staff is fine, the daggers are not. We do not need ANOTHER blow to magicka users, when vigor out performs every single resto staff self heal already.

Both are not fine, both rapid regen and vigor need a reduction, especially rapid regen because it can be given to other people. both have insane high tick numbers

Kadoin · January 2020

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If you nerf vBRP DW nerf vBRP resto as well

Please do, both have been OP since they were introduced, but in this section a large amount of people appear to defend both sets every PTS cycle...

TheFM · January 2020

MaskedHuman wrote: »

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Mayrael wrote:

"Both BRP DW and BRP resto deserve a nerf. 100% uptime on demand on very powerful buffs is just O_o Both sets are carry sets, just like dizzy used to be with knockback. When it got removed suddenly all those "pros" are gone.

Totally agree, Healing is already overtuned because they buffed it in scalebreaker to battle dots, but they nerfed dots to the ground and kept healing as it is, so you see vigor and rapid regen ticking for insane numbers, and even more insane numbers with blackrose resto.

And BRP DW is just a straight carry, I run it on my stamplar and I literally have on demand 38% mitigation, and 63% mitigation to aoe abilities.

BRP daggers can negate an absurd amount of damage. If you had 40 k come in, that could negate

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MaskedHuman wrote: »

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Mayrael wrote:

"Both BRP DW and BRP resto deserve a nerf. 100% uptime on demand on very powerful buffs is just O_o Both sets are carry sets, just like dizzy used to be with knockback. When it got removed suddenly all those "pros" are gone.

Totally agree, Healing is already overtuned because they buffed it in scalebreaker to battle dots, but they nerfed dots to the ground and kept healing as it is, so you see vigor and rapid regen ticking for insane numbers, and even more insane numbers with blackrose resto.

And BRP DW is just a straight carry, I run it on my stamplar and I literally have on demand 38% mitigation, and 63% mitigation to aoe abilities.

As an exaggerated example, if 1 mill damage came in, the daggers could cause you to negate 300 THOUSAND damage. With the resto staff you could heal for a tick of 8 k.

Again, NOT EVEN anywhere on the same planet. Resto staff is fine, the daggers are not. We do not need ANOTHER blow to magicka users, when vigor out performs every single resto staff self heal already.

Both are not fine, both rapid regen and vigor need a reduction, especially rapid regen because it can be given to other people. both have insane high tick numbers

The one that heals more than one other person is weak AF, same with vigor, you cannot compare something that gives u 30 percent extra healing to something that blocks pit 30 percent of LL damage, that's just an absurd comparison.

xylena · January 2020

I don't get why BRP DW keeps getting singled out when BRP Resto and SnB block stall just as hard with just as little effort or investment. Some players get really salty over kiting, I guess.

You nerf BRP DW, the same players swap their back bar to BRP Resto or Potentates SnB, and continue being obnoxiously tanky while also healing their allies or dropping their 30k burst combos.

Instead, how about we buff the other DW skills and Master DW? BRP DW has been around a while, but you didn't even see it much until they nerfed Master DW into the ground, along with DoTs and Bleeds across the board.

technohic · January 2020

hmm I wasnt even thinking of quick cloak but could make sense to pair with stam sorc. Does the set also work with flurry?

ElvenVeil · January 2020

technohic wrote: »

hmm I wasnt even thinking of quick cloak but could make sense to pair with stam sorc. Does the set also work with flurry?

flurry is a fairly bad skill in pvp imo, but sure you can combine it with that. The most important thing with blackrose dw is that you keep your heals on the same bar so you get the most utility out of blackrose