ZOS are you laughing at Magicka dragonknight?

Miloscpolski · January 2020

"The following “thorns”, or damage return-based abilities, now have a 7 meter range on their effect, rather than infinite ranges:
Spiked Armor and its morphs" - Do you really think this bothered someone? - terrible nerf
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"Off Balance is no longer reapplied to a target for 15 seconds once the original source of Off Balance ends. This cooldown is displayed as a debuff on targets once they are affected." -
cooldawn in 15 seconds is it impossible to use flame lash. Since patch "Morrowind" there are constant nerfs nerfs nerfs of magdk....Do not try to nerf off-balance just nerf "tactician" from champion system. This will solve the real problem of overuse adding cooldawn to this passive.

kaithuzar · January 2020

They’ve been laughing at magicka nightblade for 3 months, sure, why not

Miloscpolski · January 2020

kaithuzar wrote: »

They’ve been laughing at magicka nightblade for 3 months, sure, why not

I agree with you!

killingspreeb16_ESO · January 2020

kaithuzar wrote: »

They’ve been laughing at magicka nightblade for 3 months, sure, why not

only 3 months?

kaithuzar · January 2020

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

They’ve been laughing at magicka nightblade for 3 months, sure, why not

only 3 months?

Well, we did ok when they buffed the hell out of dots around Sept/October~ish

At least I felt more competitive than lately

WillhelmBlack · January 2020

It's probably been so long since you've used/cared about the Power Lash morph that you didn't realise that got nerfed too.

😂

Xvorg · January 2020

kaithuzar wrote: »

They’ve been laughing at magicka nightblade for 3 months, sure, why not

2 years

SeaUnicorn · January 2020

Wut? MagDK is BIS mag dps currently in PvE.

Rahar · January 2020

Miloscpolski wrote: »

"The following “thorns”, or damage return-based abilities, now have a 7 meter range on their effect, rather than infinite ranges:
Spiked Armor and its morphs" - Do you really think this bothered someone? - terrible nerf

This bothered the crap out of me on my Nightblade(s). DK brainlet could be yucking it up in his inventory halfway across the map when I attacked him and I'd be effectively unable to cloak for a second or two because the incoming damage would knock me out of it. This is a good change.

Also why are we pretending that MagDKs actually use Flame Lash?

Kadoin · January 2020

Don't worry, it's fine because...elf bane, right? Right!?

...

This patch if left alone will make me delete all my mag chars...

Miloscpolski · January 2020

slofwnd wrote: »

Wut? MagDK is BIS mag dps currently in PvE.

what does it have to do with pve???

Miloscpolski · January 2020

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

"The following “thorns”, or damage return-based abilities, now have a 7 meter range on their effect, rather than infinite ranges:
Spiked Armor and its morphs" - Do you really think this bothered someone? - terrible nerf

This bothered the crap out of me on my Nightblade(s). DK brainlet could be yucking it up in his inventory halfway across the map when I attacked him and I'd be effectively unable to cloak for a second or two because the incoming damage would knock me out of it. This is a good change.

Also why are we pretending that MagDKs actually use Flame Lash?

You will always lead out of stealth attacking the enemy. And do not drag here dk. MagDKs actually use Flame Lash! Some use in pvp molten whip, but that doesn’t mean that now you have to kill an entire skill!

Miloscpolski · January 2020

Kadoin wrote: »

Don't worry, it's fine because...elf bane, right? Right!?

...

This patch if left alone will make me delete all my mag chars...

It's not fine, why should I and other magdk suffer (getting the strongest nerf) because the off-balance is too strong among staminaers?

MartiniDaniels · January 2020

Like other people said - just switch to another class or find another game. After last several patches it is obvious DK and NB will always receive only bare minimum from new combat team.

Miloscpolski · January 2020

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Like other people said - just switch to another class or find another game. After last several patches it is obvious DK and NB will always receive only bare minimum from new combat team.

From what the hell should I and other magdks switch to another class if I devoted myself to this whole class? So you can tell anyone who is trying to protect their class from terrible nerfs.

Miloscpolski · January 2020

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Like other people said - just switch to another class or find another game. After last several patches it is obvious DK and NB will always receive only bare minimum from new combat team.

easier to score on everything and run from meta to meta...its stupid

Rahar · January 2020

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

"The following “thorns”, or damage return-based abilities, now have a 7 meter range on their effect, rather than infinite ranges:
Spiked Armor and its morphs" - Do you really think this bothered someone? - terrible nerf

This bothered the crap out of me on my Nightblade(s). DK brainlet could be yucking it up in his inventory halfway across the map when I attacked him and I'd be effectively unable to cloak for a second or two because the incoming damage would knock me out of it. This is a good change.

Also why are we pretending that MagDKs actually use Flame Lash?

You will always lead out of stealth attacking the enemy. And do not drag here dk. MagDKs actually use Flame Lash! Some use in pvp molten whip, but that doesn’t mean that now you have to kill an entire skill!

Nah -- It's not a reason at all. I'm not excusing it, but every mDK worth their salt that I've fought has had the glowing eyes molten whip buff up and unloaded it in the right time. Ideally, maybe they'll tweak this new Off Balance a bit and reduce the cooldown or change Flame Lash a little bit.

But no, regardless of how an NB starts the offensive, the 'thorn' DK armor skills keeps NBs from going defensive for a few seconds at a time at any range. For example: resto lighting to proc the glyph cancel into cloak, defensive cloaking in response to being focused, etc. It's not as if that's anything game breaking, but it sure will be nice for the DK to have to use a little brains to get that cloak-cancelling feature.

Xvorg · January 2020

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

"The following “thorns”, or damage return-based abilities, now have a 7 meter range on their effect, rather than infinite ranges:
Spiked Armor and its morphs" - Do you really think this bothered someone? - terrible nerf

This bothered the crap out of me on my Nightblade(s). DK brainlet could be yucking it up in his inventory halfway across the map when I attacked him and I'd be effectively unable to cloak for a second or two because the incoming damage would knock me out of it. This is a good change.

Also why are we pretending that MagDKs actually use Flame Lash?

You will always lead out of stealth attacking the enemy. And do not drag here dk. MagDKs actually use Flame Lash! Some use in pvp molten whip, but that doesn’t mean that now you have to kill an entire skill!

Nah -- It's not a reason at all. I'm not excusing it, but every mDK worth their salt that I've fought has had the glowing eyes molten whip buff up and unloaded it in the right time. Ideally, maybe they'll tweak this new Off Balance a bit and reduce the cooldown or change Flame Lash a little bit.

But no, regardless of how an NB starts the offensive, the 'thorn' DK armor skills keeps NBs from going defensive for a few seconds at a time at any range. For example: resto lighting to proc the glyph cancel into cloak, defensive cloaking in response to being focused, etc. It's not as if that's anything game breaking, but it sure will be nice for the DK to have to use a little brains to get that cloak-cancelling feature.

You know what's worst than a defensive skill with thorns? Detection pots. That's a no brainer and is thousand times worst than spiked armor, because you spend 0 resources just pressing one key to completely shut down a build.

Miloscpolski · January 2020

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

"The following “thorns”, or damage return-based abilities, now have a 7 meter range on their effect, rather than infinite ranges:
Spiked Armor and its morphs" - Do you really think this bothered someone? - terrible nerf

This bothered the crap out of me on my Nightblade(s). DK brainlet could be yucking it up in his inventory halfway across the map when I attacked him and I'd be effectively unable to cloak for a second or two because the incoming damage would knock me out of it. This is a good change.

Also why are we pretending that MagDKs actually use Flame Lash?

You will always lead out of stealth attacking the enemy. And do not drag here dk. MagDKs actually use Flame Lash! Some use in pvp molten whip, but that doesn’t mean that now you have to kill an entire skill!

Nah -- It's not a reason at all. I'm not excusing it, but every mDK worth their salt that I've fought has had the glowing eyes molten whip buff up and unloaded it in the right time. Ideally, maybe they'll tweak this new Off Balance a bit and reduce the cooldown or change Flame Lash a little bit.

But no, regardless of how an NB starts the offensive, the 'thorn' DK armor skills keeps NBs from going defensive for a few seconds at a time at any range. For example: resto lighting to proc the glyph cancel into cloak, defensive cloaking in response to being focused, etc. It's not as if that's anything game breaking, but it sure will be nice for the DK to have to use a little brains to get that cloak-cancelling feature.

Because of you nerf wings, because of you nerf spikes, maybe stop complaining?

Rahar · January 2020

Xvorg wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

"The following “thorns”, or damage return-based abilities, now have a 7 meter range on their effect, rather than infinite ranges:
Spiked Armor and its morphs" - Do you really think this bothered someone? - terrible nerf

This bothered the crap out of me on my Nightblade(s). DK brainlet could be yucking it up in his inventory halfway across the map when I attacked him and I'd be effectively unable to cloak for a second or two because the incoming damage would knock me out of it. This is a good change.

Also why are we pretending that MagDKs actually use Flame Lash?

You will always lead out of stealth attacking the enemy. And do not drag here dk. MagDKs actually use Flame Lash! Some use in pvp molten whip, but that doesn’t mean that now you have to kill an entire skill!

Nah -- It's not a reason at all. I'm not excusing it, but every mDK worth their salt that I've fought has had the glowing eyes molten whip buff up and unloaded it in the right time. Ideally, maybe they'll tweak this new Off Balance a bit and reduce the cooldown or change Flame Lash a little bit.

But no, regardless of how an NB starts the offensive, the 'thorn' DK armor skills keeps NBs from going defensive for a few seconds at a time at any range. For example: resto lighting to proc the glyph cancel into cloak, defensive cloaking in response to being focused, etc. It's not as if that's anything game breaking, but it sure will be nice for the DK to have to use a little brains to get that cloak-cancelling feature.

You know what's worst than a defensive skill with thorns? Detection pots. That's a no brainer and is thousand times worst than spiked armor, because you spend 0 resources just pressing one key to completely shut down a build.

Yep. And I've said so in the past. The 'thorns' fix was a QoL change that I'm happy to see regardless. It even matches the range DK does damage in, not that there's much damage being done by the ability anyway.

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

"The following “thorns”, or damage return-based abilities, now have a 7 meter range on their effect, rather than infinite ranges:
Spiked Armor and its morphs" - Do you really think this bothered someone? - terrible nerf

This bothered the crap out of me on my Nightblade(s). DK brainlet could be yucking it up in his inventory halfway across the map when I attacked him and I'd be effectively unable to cloak for a second or two because the incoming damage would knock me out of it. This is a good change.

Also why are we pretending that MagDKs actually use Flame Lash?

You will always lead out of stealth attacking the enemy. And do not drag here dk. MagDKs actually use Flame Lash! Some use in pvp molten whip, but that doesn’t mean that now you have to kill an entire skill!

Nah -- It's not a reason at all. I'm not excusing it, but every mDK worth their salt that I've fought has had the glowing eyes molten whip buff up and unloaded it in the right time. Ideally, maybe they'll tweak this new Off Balance a bit and reduce the cooldown or change Flame Lash a little bit.

But no, regardless of how an NB starts the offensive, the 'thorn' DK armor skills keeps NBs from going defensive for a few seconds at a time at any range. For example: resto lighting to proc the glyph cancel into cloak, defensive cloaking in response to being focused, etc. It's not as if that's anything game breaking, but it sure will be nice for the DK to have to use a little brains to get that cloak-cancelling feature.

Because of you nerf wings, because of you nerf spikes, maybe stop complaining?

Seems kind of hypocritical when you're the one that started the complaint thread about 2 nearly irrelevant corners of the game. DKs are really running out of things to cherry pick. Anyhow, I have a long and exhaustive post history detailing why wings needed to be taken down a few pegs.

For the record, I agree with the Off Balance change being poorly thought out. I think we'll see revisions in further PTS cycles, because this is only the first of at least three.

ZarkingFrued · January 2020

Miloscpolski wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

They’ve been laughing at magicka nightblade for 3 months, sure, why not

I agree with you!

Please don't try to make this a thread about Nother class. Both are in a bad spot, but we should make another thread for that. Mag DK has been getting slapped every single patch with nothing to show for it. I literally play it now just to see what I'm capable of without competitive power, sustain, or survival

Miloscpolski · January 2020

Rahar wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

"The following “thorns”, or damage return-based abilities, now have a 7 meter range on their effect, rather than infinite ranges:
Spiked Armor and its morphs" - Do you really think this bothered someone? - terrible nerf

This bothered the crap out of me on my Nightblade(s). DK brainlet could be yucking it up in his inventory halfway across the map when I attacked him and I'd be effectively unable to cloak for a second or two because the incoming damage would knock me out of it. This is a good change.

Also why are we pretending that MagDKs actually use Flame Lash?

You will always lead out of stealth attacking the enemy. And do not drag here dk. MagDKs actually use Flame Lash! Some use in pvp molten whip, but that doesn’t mean that now you have to kill an entire skill!

Nah -- It's not a reason at all. I'm not excusing it, but every mDK worth their salt that I've fought has had the glowing eyes molten whip buff up and unloaded it in the right time. Ideally, maybe they'll tweak this new Off Balance a bit and reduce the cooldown or change Flame Lash a little bit.

But no, regardless of how an NB starts the offensive, the 'thorn' DK armor skills keeps NBs from going defensive for a few seconds at a time at any range. For example: resto lighting to proc the glyph cancel into cloak, defensive cloaking in response to being focused, etc. It's not as if that's anything game breaking, but it sure will be nice for the DK to have to use a little brains to get that cloak-cancelling feature.

You know what's worst than a defensive skill with thorns? Detection pots. That's a no brainer and is thousand times worst than spiked armor, because you spend 0 resources just pressing one key to completely shut down a build.

Yep. And I've said so in the past. The 'thorns' fix was a QoL change that I'm happy to see regardless. It even matches the range DK does damage in, not that there's much damage being done by the ability anyway.

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

"The following “thorns”, or damage return-based abilities, now have a 7 meter range on their effect, rather than infinite ranges:
Spiked Armor and its morphs" - Do you really think this bothered someone? - terrible nerf

This bothered the crap out of me on my Nightblade(s). DK brainlet could be yucking it up in his inventory halfway across the map when I attacked him and I'd be effectively unable to cloak for a second or two because the incoming damage would knock me out of it. This is a good change.

Also why are we pretending that MagDKs actually use Flame Lash?

You will always lead out of stealth attacking the enemy. And do not drag here dk. MagDKs actually use Flame Lash! Some use in pvp molten whip, but that doesn’t mean that now you have to kill an entire skill!

Nah -- It's not a reason at all. I'm not excusing it, but every mDK worth their salt that I've fought has had the glowing eyes molten whip buff up and unloaded it in the right time. Ideally, maybe they'll tweak this new Off Balance a bit and reduce the cooldown or change Flame Lash a little bit.

But no, regardless of how an NB starts the offensive, the 'thorn' DK armor skills keeps NBs from going defensive for a few seconds at a time at any range. For example: resto lighting to proc the glyph cancel into cloak, defensive cloaking in response to being focused, etc. It's not as if that's anything game breaking, but it sure will be nice for the DK to have to use a little brains to get that cloak-cancelling feature.

Because of you nerf wings, because of you nerf spikes, maybe stop complaining?

Seems kind of hypocritical when you're the one that started the complaint thread about 2 nearly irrelevant corners of the game. DKs are really running out of things to cherry pick. Anyhow, I have a long and exhaustive post history detailing why wings needed to be taken down a few pegs.

For the record, I agree with the Off Balance change being poorly thought out. I think we'll see revisions in further PTS cycles, because this is only the first of at least three.

its not hypocritical, its fact that wing got nerf because of nb.

ZarkingFrued · January 2020

Rahar wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

"The following “thorns”, or damage return-based abilities, now have a 7 meter range on their effect, rather than infinite ranges:
Spiked Armor and its morphs" - Do you really think this bothered someone? - terrible nerf

This bothered the crap out of me on my Nightblade(s). DK brainlet could be yucking it up in his inventory halfway across the map when I attacked him and I'd be effectively unable to cloak for a second or two because the incoming damage would knock me out of it. This is a good change.

Also why are we pretending that MagDKs actually use Flame Lash?

You will always lead out of stealth attacking the enemy. And do not drag here dk. MagDKs actually use Flame Lash! Some use in pvp molten whip, but that doesn’t mean that now you have to kill an entire skill!

Nah -- It's not a reason at all. I'm not excusing it, but every mDK worth their salt that I've fought has had the glowing eyes molten whip buff up and unloaded it in the right time. Ideally, maybe they'll tweak this new Off Balance a bit and reduce the cooldown or change Flame Lash a little bit.

But no, regardless of how an NB starts the offensive, the 'thorn' DK armor skills keeps NBs from going defensive for a few seconds at a time at any range. For example: resto lighting to proc the glyph cancel into cloak, defensive cloaking in response to being focused, etc. It's not as if that's anything game breaking, but it sure will be nice for the DK to have to use a little brains to get that cloak-cancelling feature.

You know what's worst than a defensive skill with thorns? Detection pots. That's a no brainer and is thousand times worst than spiked armor, because you spend 0 resources just pressing one key to completely shut down a build.

Yep. And I've said so in the past. The 'thorns' fix was a QoL change that I'm happy to see regardless. It even matches the range DK does damage in, not that there's much damage being done by the ability anyway.

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

"The following “thorns”, or damage return-based abilities, now have a 7 meter range on their effect, rather than infinite ranges:
Spiked Armor and its morphs" - Do you really think this bothered someone? - terrible nerf

This bothered the crap out of me on my Nightblade(s). DK brainlet could be yucking it up in his inventory halfway across the map when I attacked him and I'd be effectively unable to cloak for a second or two because the incoming damage would knock me out of it. This is a good change.

Also why are we pretending that MagDKs actually use Flame Lash?

You will always lead out of stealth attacking the enemy. And do not drag here dk. MagDKs actually use Flame Lash! Some use in pvp molten whip, but that doesn’t mean that now you have to kill an entire skill!

Nah -- It's not a reason at all. I'm not excusing it, but every mDK worth their salt that I've fought has had the glowing eyes molten whip buff up and unloaded it in the right time. Ideally, maybe they'll tweak this new Off Balance a bit and reduce the cooldown or change Flame Lash a little bit.

But no, regardless of how an NB starts the offensive, the 'thorn' DK armor skills keeps NBs from going defensive for a few seconds at a time at any range. For example: resto lighting to proc the glyph cancel into cloak, defensive cloaking in response to being focused, etc. It's not as if that's anything game breaking, but it sure will be nice for the DK to have to use a little brains to get that cloak-cancelling feature.

Because of you nerf wings, because of you nerf spikes, maybe stop complaining?

Seems kind of hypocritical when you're the one that started the complaint thread about 2 nearly irrelevant corners of the game. DKs are really running out of things to cherry pick. Anyhow, I have a long and exhaustive post history detailing why wings needed to be taken down a few pegs.

For the record, I agree with the Off Balance change being poorly thought out. I think we'll see revisions in further PTS cycles, because this is only the first of at least three.

Your thread about wings is irrelevant

ZarkingFrued · January 2020

Xvorg wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

"The following “thorns”, or damage return-based abilities, now have a 7 meter range on their effect, rather than infinite ranges:
Spiked Armor and its morphs" - Do you really think this bothered someone? - terrible nerf

This bothered the crap out of me on my Nightblade(s). DK brainlet could be yucking it up in his inventory halfway across the map when I attacked him and I'd be effectively unable to cloak for a second or two because the incoming damage would knock me out of it. This is a good change.

Also why are we pretending that MagDKs actually use Flame Lash?

You will always lead out of stealth attacking the enemy. And do not drag here dk. MagDKs actually use Flame Lash! Some use in pvp molten whip, but that doesn’t mean that now you have to kill an entire skill!

Nah -- It's not a reason at all. I'm not excusing it, but every mDK worth their salt that I've fought has had the glowing eyes molten whip buff up and unloaded it in the right time. Ideally, maybe they'll tweak this new Off Balance a bit and reduce the cooldown or change Flame Lash a little bit.

But no, regardless of how an NB starts the offensive, the 'thorn' DK armor skills keeps NBs from going defensive for a few seconds at a time at any range. For example: resto lighting to proc the glyph cancel into cloak, defensive cloaking in response to being focused, etc. It's not as if that's anything game breaking, but it sure will be nice for the DK to have to use a little brains to get that cloak-cancelling feature.

You know what's worst than a defensive skill with thorns? Detection pots. That's a no brainer and is thousand times worst than spiked armor, because you spend 0 resources just pressing one key to completely shut down a build.

Guess the only thing worse than that is pressing one entirely sustainable key to become invisible to every player and remove dots. Make NB thread if you want to discuss cloak spam

Rahar · January 2020

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

"The following “thorns”, or damage return-based abilities, now have a 7 meter range on their effect, rather than infinite ranges:
Spiked Armor and its morphs" - Do you really think this bothered someone? - terrible nerf

This bothered the crap out of me on my Nightblade(s). DK brainlet could be yucking it up in his inventory halfway across the map when I attacked him and I'd be effectively unable to cloak for a second or two because the incoming damage would knock me out of it. This is a good change.

Also why are we pretending that MagDKs actually use Flame Lash?

You will always lead out of stealth attacking the enemy. And do not drag here dk. MagDKs actually use Flame Lash! Some use in pvp molten whip, but that doesn’t mean that now you have to kill an entire skill!

Nah -- It's not a reason at all. I'm not excusing it, but every mDK worth their salt that I've fought has had the glowing eyes molten whip buff up and unloaded it in the right time. Ideally, maybe they'll tweak this new Off Balance a bit and reduce the cooldown or change Flame Lash a little bit.

But no, regardless of how an NB starts the offensive, the 'thorn' DK armor skills keeps NBs from going defensive for a few seconds at a time at any range. For example: resto lighting to proc the glyph cancel into cloak, defensive cloaking in response to being focused, etc. It's not as if that's anything game breaking, but it sure will be nice for the DK to have to use a little brains to get that cloak-cancelling feature.

You know what's worst than a defensive skill with thorns? Detection pots. That's a no brainer and is thousand times worst than spiked armor, because you spend 0 resources just pressing one key to completely shut down a build.

Yep. And I've said so in the past. The 'thorns' fix was a QoL change that I'm happy to see regardless. It even matches the range DK does damage in, not that there's much damage being done by the ability anyway.

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

"The following “thorns”, or damage return-based abilities, now have a 7 meter range on their effect, rather than infinite ranges:
Spiked Armor and its morphs" - Do you really think this bothered someone? - terrible nerf

This bothered the crap out of me on my Nightblade(s). DK brainlet could be yucking it up in his inventory halfway across the map when I attacked him and I'd be effectively unable to cloak for a second or two because the incoming damage would knock me out of it. This is a good change.

Also why are we pretending that MagDKs actually use Flame Lash?

You will always lead out of stealth attacking the enemy. And do not drag here dk. MagDKs actually use Flame Lash! Some use in pvp molten whip, but that doesn’t mean that now you have to kill an entire skill!

Nah -- It's not a reason at all. I'm not excusing it, but every mDK worth their salt that I've fought has had the glowing eyes molten whip buff up and unloaded it in the right time. Ideally, maybe they'll tweak this new Off Balance a bit and reduce the cooldown or change Flame Lash a little bit.

But no, regardless of how an NB starts the offensive, the 'thorn' DK armor skills keeps NBs from going defensive for a few seconds at a time at any range. For example: resto lighting to proc the glyph cancel into cloak, defensive cloaking in response to being focused, etc. It's not as if that's anything game breaking, but it sure will be nice for the DK to have to use a little brains to get that cloak-cancelling feature.

Because of you nerf wings, because of you nerf spikes, maybe stop complaining?

Seems kind of hypocritical when you're the one that started the complaint thread about 2 nearly irrelevant corners of the game. DKs are really running out of things to cherry pick. Anyhow, I have a long and exhaustive post history detailing why wings needed to be taken down a few pegs.

For the record, I agree with the Off Balance change being poorly thought out. I think we'll see revisions in further PTS cycles, because this is only the first of at least three.

its not hypocritical, its fact that wing got nerf because of nb.

No, it's a fact that wings got nerfed because there was no other skill that could singlehandedly shut down entire playstyles as effectively as old wings, and no other skill that could punish as hard for a single mistake as the old wings's reflect. It was broken.

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

"The following “thorns”, or damage return-based abilities, now have a 7 meter range on their effect, rather than infinite ranges:
Spiked Armor and its morphs" - Do you really think this bothered someone? - terrible nerf

This bothered the crap out of me on my Nightblade(s). DK brainlet could be yucking it up in his inventory halfway across the map when I attacked him and I'd be effectively unable to cloak for a second or two because the incoming damage would knock me out of it. This is a good change.

Also why are we pretending that MagDKs actually use Flame Lash?

You will always lead out of stealth attacking the enemy. And do not drag here dk. MagDKs actually use Flame Lash! Some use in pvp molten whip, but that doesn’t mean that now you have to kill an entire skill!

Nah -- It's not a reason at all. I'm not excusing it, but every mDK worth their salt that I've fought has had the glowing eyes molten whip buff up and unloaded it in the right time. Ideally, maybe they'll tweak this new Off Balance a bit and reduce the cooldown or change Flame Lash a little bit.

But no, regardless of how an NB starts the offensive, the 'thorn' DK armor skills keeps NBs from going defensive for a few seconds at a time at any range. For example: resto lighting to proc the glyph cancel into cloak, defensive cloaking in response to being focused, etc. It's not as if that's anything game breaking, but it sure will be nice for the DK to have to use a little brains to get that cloak-cancelling feature.

You know what's worst than a defensive skill with thorns? Detection pots. That's a no brainer and is thousand times worst than spiked armor, because you spend 0 resources just pressing one key to completely shut down a build.

Yep. And I've said so in the past. The 'thorns' fix was a QoL change that I'm happy to see regardless. It even matches the range DK does damage in, not that there's much damage being done by the ability anyway.

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

"The following “thorns”, or damage return-based abilities, now have a 7 meter range on their effect, rather than infinite ranges:
Spiked Armor and its morphs" - Do you really think this bothered someone? - terrible nerf

This bothered the crap out of me on my Nightblade(s). DK brainlet could be yucking it up in his inventory halfway across the map when I attacked him and I'd be effectively unable to cloak for a second or two because the incoming damage would knock me out of it. This is a good change.

Also why are we pretending that MagDKs actually use Flame Lash?

You will always lead out of stealth attacking the enemy. And do not drag here dk. MagDKs actually use Flame Lash! Some use in pvp molten whip, but that doesn’t mean that now you have to kill an entire skill!

Nah -- It's not a reason at all. I'm not excusing it, but every mDK worth their salt that I've fought has had the glowing eyes molten whip buff up and unloaded it in the right time. Ideally, maybe they'll tweak this new Off Balance a bit and reduce the cooldown or change Flame Lash a little bit.

But no, regardless of how an NB starts the offensive, the 'thorn' DK armor skills keeps NBs from going defensive for a few seconds at a time at any range. For example: resto lighting to proc the glyph cancel into cloak, defensive cloaking in response to being focused, etc. It's not as if that's anything game breaking, but it sure will be nice for the DK to have to use a little brains to get that cloak-cancelling feature.

Because of you nerf wings, because of you nerf spikes, maybe stop complaining?

Seems kind of hypocritical when you're the one that started the complaint thread about 2 nearly irrelevant corners of the game. DKs are really running out of things to cherry pick. Anyhow, I have a long and exhaustive post history detailing why wings needed to be taken down a few pegs.

For the record, I agree with the Off Balance change being poorly thought out. I think we'll see revisions in further PTS cycles, because this is only the first of at least three.

Your thread about wings is irrelevant

See the above on why you're wrong. Anyway, I'm not the one who brought up old wings to begin with.

Miloscpolski · January 2020

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

"The following “thorns”, or damage return-based abilities, now have a 7 meter range on their effect, rather than infinite ranges:
Spiked Armor and its morphs" - Do you really think this bothered someone? - terrible nerf

This bothered the crap out of me on my Nightblade(s). DK brainlet could be yucking it up in his inventory halfway across the map when I attacked him and I'd be effectively unable to cloak for a second or two because the incoming damage would knock me out of it. This is a good change.

Also why are we pretending that MagDKs actually use Flame Lash?

You will always lead out of stealth attacking the enemy. And do not drag here dk. MagDKs actually use Flame Lash! Some use in pvp molten whip, but that doesn’t mean that now you have to kill an entire skill!

Nah -- It's not a reason at all. I'm not excusing it, but every mDK worth their salt that I've fought has had the glowing eyes molten whip buff up and unloaded it in the right time. Ideally, maybe they'll tweak this new Off Balance a bit and reduce the cooldown or change Flame Lash a little bit.

But no, regardless of how an NB starts the offensive, the 'thorn' DK armor skills keeps NBs from going defensive for a few seconds at a time at any range. For example: resto lighting to proc the glyph cancel into cloak, defensive cloaking in response to being focused, etc. It's not as if that's anything game breaking, but it sure will be nice for the DK to have to use a little brains to get that cloak-cancelling feature.

You know what's worst than a defensive skill with thorns? Detection pots. That's a no brainer and is thousand times worst than spiked armor, because you spend 0 resources just pressing one key to completely shut down a build.

Yep. And I've said so in the past. The 'thorns' fix was a QoL change that I'm happy to see regardless. It even matches the range DK does damage in, not that there's much damage being done by the ability anyway.

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

"The following “thorns”, or damage return-based abilities, now have a 7 meter range on their effect, rather than infinite ranges:
Spiked Armor and its morphs" - Do you really think this bothered someone? - terrible nerf

This bothered the crap out of me on my Nightblade(s). DK brainlet could be yucking it up in his inventory halfway across the map when I attacked him and I'd be effectively unable to cloak for a second or two because the incoming damage would knock me out of it. This is a good change.

Also why are we pretending that MagDKs actually use Flame Lash?

You will always lead out of stealth attacking the enemy. And do not drag here dk. MagDKs actually use Flame Lash! Some use in pvp molten whip, but that doesn’t mean that now you have to kill an entire skill!

Nah -- It's not a reason at all. I'm not excusing it, but every mDK worth their salt that I've fought has had the glowing eyes molten whip buff up and unloaded it in the right time. Ideally, maybe they'll tweak this new Off Balance a bit and reduce the cooldown or change Flame Lash a little bit.

But no, regardless of how an NB starts the offensive, the 'thorn' DK armor skills keeps NBs from going defensive for a few seconds at a time at any range. For example: resto lighting to proc the glyph cancel into cloak, defensive cloaking in response to being focused, etc. It's not as if that's anything game breaking, but it sure will be nice for the DK to have to use a little brains to get that cloak-cancelling feature.

Because of you nerf wings, because of you nerf spikes, maybe stop complaining?

Seems kind of hypocritical when you're the one that started the complaint thread about 2 nearly irrelevant corners of the game. DKs are really running out of things to cherry pick. Anyhow, I have a long and exhaustive post history detailing why wings needed to be taken down a few pegs.

For the record, I agree with the Off Balance change being poorly thought out. I think we'll see revisions in further PTS cycles, because this is only the first of at least three.

its not hypocritical, its fact that wing got nerf because of nb.

No, it's a fact that wings got nerfed because there was no other skill that could singlehandedly shut down entire playstyles as effectively as old wings, and no other skill that could punish as hard for a single mistake as the old wings's reflect. It was broken.

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

"The following “thorns”, or damage return-based abilities, now have a 7 meter range on their effect, rather than infinite ranges:
Spiked Armor and its morphs" - Do you really think this bothered someone? - terrible nerf

This bothered the crap out of me on my Nightblade(s). DK brainlet could be yucking it up in his inventory halfway across the map when I attacked him and I'd be effectively unable to cloak for a second or two because the incoming damage would knock me out of it. This is a good change.

Also why are we pretending that MagDKs actually use Flame Lash?

You will always lead out of stealth attacking the enemy. And do not drag here dk. MagDKs actually use Flame Lash! Some use in pvp molten whip, but that doesn’t mean that now you have to kill an entire skill!

Nah -- It's not a reason at all. I'm not excusing it, but every mDK worth their salt that I've fought has had the glowing eyes molten whip buff up and unloaded it in the right time. Ideally, maybe they'll tweak this new Off Balance a bit and reduce the cooldown or change Flame Lash a little bit.

But no, regardless of how an NB starts the offensive, the 'thorn' DK armor skills keeps NBs from going defensive for a few seconds at a time at any range. For example: resto lighting to proc the glyph cancel into cloak, defensive cloaking in response to being focused, etc. It's not as if that's anything game breaking, but it sure will be nice for the DK to have to use a little brains to get that cloak-cancelling feature.

You know what's worst than a defensive skill with thorns? Detection pots. That's a no brainer and is thousand times worst than spiked armor, because you spend 0 resources just pressing one key to completely shut down a build.

Yep. And I've said so in the past. The 'thorns' fix was a QoL change that I'm happy to see regardless. It even matches the range DK does damage in, not that there's much damage being done by the ability anyway.

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

"The following “thorns”, or damage return-based abilities, now have a 7 meter range on their effect, rather than infinite ranges:
Spiked Armor and its morphs" - Do you really think this bothered someone? - terrible nerf

This bothered the crap out of me on my Nightblade(s). DK brainlet could be yucking it up in his inventory halfway across the map when I attacked him and I'd be effectively unable to cloak for a second or two because the incoming damage would knock me out of it. This is a good change.

Also why are we pretending that MagDKs actually use Flame Lash?

You will always lead out of stealth attacking the enemy. And do not drag here dk. MagDKs actually use Flame Lash! Some use in pvp molten whip, but that doesn’t mean that now you have to kill an entire skill!

Nah -- It's not a reason at all. I'm not excusing it, but every mDK worth their salt that I've fought has had the glowing eyes molten whip buff up and unloaded it in the right time. Ideally, maybe they'll tweak this new Off Balance a bit and reduce the cooldown or change Flame Lash a little bit.

But no, regardless of how an NB starts the offensive, the 'thorn' DK armor skills keeps NBs from going defensive for a few seconds at a time at any range. For example: resto lighting to proc the glyph cancel into cloak, defensive cloaking in response to being focused, etc. It's not as if that's anything game breaking, but it sure will be nice for the DK to have to use a little brains to get that cloak-cancelling feature.

Because of you nerf wings, because of you nerf spikes, maybe stop complaining?

Seems kind of hypocritical when you're the one that started the complaint thread about 2 nearly irrelevant corners of the game. DKs are really running out of things to cherry pick. Anyhow, I have a long and exhaustive post history detailing why wings needed to be taken down a few pegs.

For the record, I agree with the Off Balance change being poorly thought out. I think we'll see revisions in further PTS cycles, because this is only the first of at least three.

Your thread about wings is irrelevant

See the above on why you're wrong. Anyway, I'm not the one who brought up old wings to begin with.

its absolutely fact, a lot of nbs complained about wings.

Rahar · January 2020

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

"The following “thorns”, or damage return-based abilities, now have a 7 meter range on their effect, rather than infinite ranges:
Spiked Armor and its morphs" - Do you really think this bothered someone? - terrible nerf

This bothered the crap out of me on my Nightblade(s). DK brainlet could be yucking it up in his inventory halfway across the map when I attacked him and I'd be effectively unable to cloak for a second or two because the incoming damage would knock me out of it. This is a good change.

Also why are we pretending that MagDKs actually use Flame Lash?

You will always lead out of stealth attacking the enemy. And do not drag here dk. MagDKs actually use Flame Lash! Some use in pvp molten whip, but that doesn’t mean that now you have to kill an entire skill!

Nah -- It's not a reason at all. I'm not excusing it, but every mDK worth their salt that I've fought has had the glowing eyes molten whip buff up and unloaded it in the right time. Ideally, maybe they'll tweak this new Off Balance a bit and reduce the cooldown or change Flame Lash a little bit.

But no, regardless of how an NB starts the offensive, the 'thorn' DK armor skills keeps NBs from going defensive for a few seconds at a time at any range. For example: resto lighting to proc the glyph cancel into cloak, defensive cloaking in response to being focused, etc. It's not as if that's anything game breaking, but it sure will be nice for the DK to have to use a little brains to get that cloak-cancelling feature.

You know what's worst than a defensive skill with thorns? Detection pots. That's a no brainer and is thousand times worst than spiked armor, because you spend 0 resources just pressing one key to completely shut down a build.

Yep. And I've said so in the past. The 'thorns' fix was a QoL change that I'm happy to see regardless. It even matches the range DK does damage in, not that there's much damage being done by the ability anyway.

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

"The following “thorns”, or damage return-based abilities, now have a 7 meter range on their effect, rather than infinite ranges:
Spiked Armor and its morphs" - Do you really think this bothered someone? - terrible nerf

This bothered the crap out of me on my Nightblade(s). DK brainlet could be yucking it up in his inventory halfway across the map when I attacked him and I'd be effectively unable to cloak for a second or two because the incoming damage would knock me out of it. This is a good change.

Also why are we pretending that MagDKs actually use Flame Lash?

You will always lead out of stealth attacking the enemy. And do not drag here dk. MagDKs actually use Flame Lash! Some use in pvp molten whip, but that doesn’t mean that now you have to kill an entire skill!

Nah -- It's not a reason at all. I'm not excusing it, but every mDK worth their salt that I've fought has had the glowing eyes molten whip buff up and unloaded it in the right time. Ideally, maybe they'll tweak this new Off Balance a bit and reduce the cooldown or change Flame Lash a little bit.

But no, regardless of how an NB starts the offensive, the 'thorn' DK armor skills keeps NBs from going defensive for a few seconds at a time at any range. For example: resto lighting to proc the glyph cancel into cloak, defensive cloaking in response to being focused, etc. It's not as if that's anything game breaking, but it sure will be nice for the DK to have to use a little brains to get that cloak-cancelling feature.

Because of you nerf wings, because of you nerf spikes, maybe stop complaining?

Seems kind of hypocritical when you're the one that started the complaint thread about 2 nearly irrelevant corners of the game. DKs are really running out of things to cherry pick. Anyhow, I have a long and exhaustive post history detailing why wings needed to be taken down a few pegs.

For the record, I agree with the Off Balance change being poorly thought out. I think we'll see revisions in further PTS cycles, because this is only the first of at least three.

its not hypocritical, its fact that wing got nerf because of nb.

No, it's a fact that wings got nerfed because there was no other skill that could singlehandedly shut down entire playstyles as effectively as old wings, and no other skill that could punish as hard for a single mistake as the old wings's reflect. It was broken.

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

"The following “thorns”, or damage return-based abilities, now have a 7 meter range on their effect, rather than infinite ranges:
Spiked Armor and its morphs" - Do you really think this bothered someone? - terrible nerf

This bothered the crap out of me on my Nightblade(s). DK brainlet could be yucking it up in his inventory halfway across the map when I attacked him and I'd be effectively unable to cloak for a second or two because the incoming damage would knock me out of it. This is a good change.

Also why are we pretending that MagDKs actually use Flame Lash?

You will always lead out of stealth attacking the enemy. And do not drag here dk. MagDKs actually use Flame Lash! Some use in pvp molten whip, but that doesn’t mean that now you have to kill an entire skill!

Nah -- It's not a reason at all. I'm not excusing it, but every mDK worth their salt that I've fought has had the glowing eyes molten whip buff up and unloaded it in the right time. Ideally, maybe they'll tweak this new Off Balance a bit and reduce the cooldown or change Flame Lash a little bit.

But no, regardless of how an NB starts the offensive, the 'thorn' DK armor skills keeps NBs from going defensive for a few seconds at a time at any range. For example: resto lighting to proc the glyph cancel into cloak, defensive cloaking in response to being focused, etc. It's not as if that's anything game breaking, but it sure will be nice for the DK to have to use a little brains to get that cloak-cancelling feature.

You know what's worst than a defensive skill with thorns? Detection pots. That's a no brainer and is thousand times worst than spiked armor, because you spend 0 resources just pressing one key to completely shut down a build.

Yep. And I've said so in the past. The 'thorns' fix was a QoL change that I'm happy to see regardless. It even matches the range DK does damage in, not that there's much damage being done by the ability anyway.

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

"The following “thorns”, or damage return-based abilities, now have a 7 meter range on their effect, rather than infinite ranges:
Spiked Armor and its morphs" - Do you really think this bothered someone? - terrible nerf

This bothered the crap out of me on my Nightblade(s). DK brainlet could be yucking it up in his inventory halfway across the map when I attacked him and I'd be effectively unable to cloak for a second or two because the incoming damage would knock me out of it. This is a good change.

Also why are we pretending that MagDKs actually use Flame Lash?

You will always lead out of stealth attacking the enemy. And do not drag here dk. MagDKs actually use Flame Lash! Some use in pvp molten whip, but that doesn’t mean that now you have to kill an entire skill!

Nah -- It's not a reason at all. I'm not excusing it, but every mDK worth their salt that I've fought has had the glowing eyes molten whip buff up and unloaded it in the right time. Ideally, maybe they'll tweak this new Off Balance a bit and reduce the cooldown or change Flame Lash a little bit.

But no, regardless of how an NB starts the offensive, the 'thorn' DK armor skills keeps NBs from going defensive for a few seconds at a time at any range. For example: resto lighting to proc the glyph cancel into cloak, defensive cloaking in response to being focused, etc. It's not as if that's anything game breaking, but it sure will be nice for the DK to have to use a little brains to get that cloak-cancelling feature.

Because of you nerf wings, because of you nerf spikes, maybe stop complaining?

Seems kind of hypocritical when you're the one that started the complaint thread about 2 nearly irrelevant corners of the game. DKs are really running out of things to cherry pick. Anyhow, I have a long and exhaustive post history detailing why wings needed to be taken down a few pegs.

For the record, I agree with the Off Balance change being poorly thought out. I think we'll see revisions in further PTS cycles, because this is only the first of at least three.

Your thread about wings is irrelevant

See the above on why you're wrong. Anyway, I'm not the one who brought up old wings to begin with.

its absolutely fact, a lot of nbs complained about wings.

NBs were just one class of many that got completely shut down by one cast.

brandonv516 · January 2020

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

"The following “thorns”, or damage return-based abilities, now have a 7 meter range on their effect, rather than infinite ranges:
Spiked Armor and its morphs" - Do you really think this bothered someone? - terrible nerf

This bothered the crap out of me on my Nightblade(s). DK brainlet could be yucking it up in his inventory halfway across the map when I attacked him and I'd be effectively unable to cloak for a second or two because the incoming damage would knock me out of it. This is a good change.

Also why are we pretending that MagDKs actually use Flame Lash?

You will always lead out of stealth attacking the enemy. And do not drag here dk. MagDKs actually use Flame Lash! Some use in pvp molten whip, but that doesn’t mean that now you have to kill an entire skill!

Nah -- It's not a reason at all. I'm not excusing it, but every mDK worth their salt that I've fought has had the glowing eyes molten whip buff up and unloaded it in the right time. Ideally, maybe they'll tweak this new Off Balance a bit and reduce the cooldown or change Flame Lash a little bit.

But no, regardless of how an NB starts the offensive, the 'thorn' DK armor skills keeps NBs from going defensive for a few seconds at a time at any range. For example: resto lighting to proc the glyph cancel into cloak, defensive cloaking in response to being focused, etc. It's not as if that's anything game breaking, but it sure will be nice for the DK to have to use a little brains to get that cloak-cancelling feature.

You know what's worst than a defensive skill with thorns? Detection pots. That's a no brainer and is thousand times worst than spiked armor, because you spend 0 resources just pressing one key to completely shut down a build.

Yep. And I've said so in the past. The 'thorns' fix was a QoL change that I'm happy to see regardless. It even matches the range DK does damage in, not that there's much damage being done by the ability anyway.

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

"The following “thorns”, or damage return-based abilities, now have a 7 meter range on their effect, rather than infinite ranges:
Spiked Armor and its morphs" - Do you really think this bothered someone? - terrible nerf

This bothered the crap out of me on my Nightblade(s). DK brainlet could be yucking it up in his inventory halfway across the map when I attacked him and I'd be effectively unable to cloak for a second or two because the incoming damage would knock me out of it. This is a good change.

Also why are we pretending that MagDKs actually use Flame Lash?

You will always lead out of stealth attacking the enemy. And do not drag here dk. MagDKs actually use Flame Lash! Some use in pvp molten whip, but that doesn’t mean that now you have to kill an entire skill!

Nah -- It's not a reason at all. I'm not excusing it, but every mDK worth their salt that I've fought has had the glowing eyes molten whip buff up and unloaded it in the right time. Ideally, maybe they'll tweak this new Off Balance a bit and reduce the cooldown or change Flame Lash a little bit.

But no, regardless of how an NB starts the offensive, the 'thorn' DK armor skills keeps NBs from going defensive for a few seconds at a time at any range. For example: resto lighting to proc the glyph cancel into cloak, defensive cloaking in response to being focused, etc. It's not as if that's anything game breaking, but it sure will be nice for the DK to have to use a little brains to get that cloak-cancelling feature.

Because of you nerf wings, because of you nerf spikes, maybe stop complaining?

Seems kind of hypocritical when you're the one that started the complaint thread about 2 nearly irrelevant corners of the game. DKs are really running out of things to cherry pick. Anyhow, I have a long and exhaustive post history detailing why wings needed to be taken down a few pegs.

For the record, I agree with the Off Balance change being poorly thought out. I think we'll see revisions in further PTS cycles, because this is only the first of at least three.

its not hypocritical, its fact that wing got nerf because of nb.

No, it's a fact that wings got nerfed because there was no other skill that could singlehandedly shut down entire playstyles as effectively as old wings, and no other skill that could punish as hard for a single mistake as the old wings's reflect. It was broken.

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

"The following “thorns”, or damage return-based abilities, now have a 7 meter range on their effect, rather than infinite ranges:
Spiked Armor and its morphs" - Do you really think this bothered someone? - terrible nerf

This bothered the crap out of me on my Nightblade(s). DK brainlet could be yucking it up in his inventory halfway across the map when I attacked him and I'd be effectively unable to cloak for a second or two because the incoming damage would knock me out of it. This is a good change.

Also why are we pretending that MagDKs actually use Flame Lash?

You will always lead out of stealth attacking the enemy. And do not drag here dk. MagDKs actually use Flame Lash! Some use in pvp molten whip, but that doesn’t mean that now you have to kill an entire skill!

Nah -- It's not a reason at all. I'm not excusing it, but every mDK worth their salt that I've fought has had the glowing eyes molten whip buff up and unloaded it in the right time. Ideally, maybe they'll tweak this new Off Balance a bit and reduce the cooldown or change Flame Lash a little bit.

But no, regardless of how an NB starts the offensive, the 'thorn' DK armor skills keeps NBs from going defensive for a few seconds at a time at any range. For example: resto lighting to proc the glyph cancel into cloak, defensive cloaking in response to being focused, etc. It's not as if that's anything game breaking, but it sure will be nice for the DK to have to use a little brains to get that cloak-cancelling feature.

You know what's worst than a defensive skill with thorns? Detection pots. That's a no brainer and is thousand times worst than spiked armor, because you spend 0 resources just pressing one key to completely shut down a build.

Yep. And I've said so in the past. The 'thorns' fix was a QoL change that I'm happy to see regardless. It even matches the range DK does damage in, not that there's much damage being done by the ability anyway.

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

"The following “thorns”, or damage return-based abilities, now have a 7 meter range on their effect, rather than infinite ranges:
Spiked Armor and its morphs" - Do you really think this bothered someone? - terrible nerf

This bothered the crap out of me on my Nightblade(s). DK brainlet could be yucking it up in his inventory halfway across the map when I attacked him and I'd be effectively unable to cloak for a second or two because the incoming damage would knock me out of it. This is a good change.

Also why are we pretending that MagDKs actually use Flame Lash?

You will always lead out of stealth attacking the enemy. And do not drag here dk. MagDKs actually use Flame Lash! Some use in pvp molten whip, but that doesn’t mean that now you have to kill an entire skill!

Nah -- It's not a reason at all. I'm not excusing it, but every mDK worth their salt that I've fought has had the glowing eyes molten whip buff up and unloaded it in the right time. Ideally, maybe they'll tweak this new Off Balance a bit and reduce the cooldown or change Flame Lash a little bit.

But no, regardless of how an NB starts the offensive, the 'thorn' DK armor skills keeps NBs from going defensive for a few seconds at a time at any range. For example: resto lighting to proc the glyph cancel into cloak, defensive cloaking in response to being focused, etc. It's not as if that's anything game breaking, but it sure will be nice for the DK to have to use a little brains to get that cloak-cancelling feature.

Because of you nerf wings, because of you nerf spikes, maybe stop complaining?

Seems kind of hypocritical when you're the one that started the complaint thread about 2 nearly irrelevant corners of the game. DKs are really running out of things to cherry pick. Anyhow, I have a long and exhaustive post history detailing why wings needed to be taken down a few pegs.

For the record, I agree with the Off Balance change being poorly thought out. I think we'll see revisions in further PTS cycles, because this is only the first of at least three.

Your thread about wings is irrelevant

See the above on why you're wrong. Anyway, I'm not the one who brought up old wings to begin with.

its absolutely fact, a lot of nbs complained about wings.

It needed it.

-Our class DoT reflected
-Our class spammable reflected
-Our class execute reflected
-Our class burst skill reflected

I don't really care either way about the Spikes. I will enjoy the Templar bubble not snaring me halfway across the map.

lucky_Sage · January 2020

kaithuzar wrote: »

They’ve been laughing at magicka nightblade for 3 months, sure, why not

They been laughing at Magdk since IC

lucky_Sage · January 2020

brandonv516 wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

"The following “thorns”, or damage return-based abilities, now have a 7 meter range on their effect, rather than infinite ranges:
Spiked Armor and its morphs" - Do you really think this bothered someone? - terrible nerf

This bothered the crap out of me on my Nightblade(s). DK brainlet could be yucking it up in his inventory halfway across the map when I attacked him and I'd be effectively unable to cloak for a second or two because the incoming damage would knock me out of it. This is a good change.

Also why are we pretending that MagDKs actually use Flame Lash?

You will always lead out of stealth attacking the enemy. And do not drag here dk. MagDKs actually use Flame Lash! Some use in pvp molten whip, but that doesn’t mean that now you have to kill an entire skill!

Nah -- It's not a reason at all. I'm not excusing it, but every mDK worth their salt that I've fought has had the glowing eyes molten whip buff up and unloaded it in the right time. Ideally, maybe they'll tweak this new Off Balance a bit and reduce the cooldown or change Flame Lash a little bit.

But no, regardless of how an NB starts the offensive, the 'thorn' DK armor skills keeps NBs from going defensive for a few seconds at a time at any range. For example: resto lighting to proc the glyph cancel into cloak, defensive cloaking in response to being focused, etc. It's not as if that's anything game breaking, but it sure will be nice for the DK to have to use a little brains to get that cloak-cancelling feature.

You know what's worst than a defensive skill with thorns? Detection pots. That's a no brainer and is thousand times worst than spiked armor, because you spend 0 resources just pressing one key to completely shut down a build.

Yep. And I've said so in the past. The 'thorns' fix was a QoL change that I'm happy to see regardless. It even matches the range DK does damage in, not that there's much damage being done by the ability anyway.

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

"The following “thorns”, or damage return-based abilities, now have a 7 meter range on their effect, rather than infinite ranges:
Spiked Armor and its morphs" - Do you really think this bothered someone? - terrible nerf

This bothered the crap out of me on my Nightblade(s). DK brainlet could be yucking it up in his inventory halfway across the map when I attacked him and I'd be effectively unable to cloak for a second or two because the incoming damage would knock me out of it. This is a good change.

Also why are we pretending that MagDKs actually use Flame Lash?

You will always lead out of stealth attacking the enemy. And do not drag here dk. MagDKs actually use Flame Lash! Some use in pvp molten whip, but that doesn’t mean that now you have to kill an entire skill!

Nah -- It's not a reason at all. I'm not excusing it, but every mDK worth their salt that I've fought has had the glowing eyes molten whip buff up and unloaded it in the right time. Ideally, maybe they'll tweak this new Off Balance a bit and reduce the cooldown or change Flame Lash a little bit.

But no, regardless of how an NB starts the offensive, the 'thorn' DK armor skills keeps NBs from going defensive for a few seconds at a time at any range. For example: resto lighting to proc the glyph cancel into cloak, defensive cloaking in response to being focused, etc. It's not as if that's anything game breaking, but it sure will be nice for the DK to have to use a little brains to get that cloak-cancelling feature.

Because of you nerf wings, because of you nerf spikes, maybe stop complaining?

Seems kind of hypocritical when you're the one that started the complaint thread about 2 nearly irrelevant corners of the game. DKs are really running out of things to cherry pick. Anyhow, I have a long and exhaustive post history detailing why wings needed to be taken down a few pegs.

For the record, I agree with the Off Balance change being poorly thought out. I think we'll see revisions in further PTS cycles, because this is only the first of at least three.

its not hypocritical, its fact that wing got nerf because of nb.

No, it's a fact that wings got nerfed because there was no other skill that could singlehandedly shut down entire playstyles as effectively as old wings, and no other skill that could punish as hard for a single mistake as the old wings's reflect. It was broken.

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

"The following “thorns”, or damage return-based abilities, now have a 7 meter range on their effect, rather than infinite ranges:
Spiked Armor and its morphs" - Do you really think this bothered someone? - terrible nerf

This bothered the crap out of me on my Nightblade(s). DK brainlet could be yucking it up in his inventory halfway across the map when I attacked him and I'd be effectively unable to cloak for a second or two because the incoming damage would knock me out of it. This is a good change.

Also why are we pretending that MagDKs actually use Flame Lash?

You will always lead out of stealth attacking the enemy. And do not drag here dk. MagDKs actually use Flame Lash! Some use in pvp molten whip, but that doesn’t mean that now you have to kill an entire skill!

Nah -- It's not a reason at all. I'm not excusing it, but every mDK worth their salt that I've fought has had the glowing eyes molten whip buff up and unloaded it in the right time. Ideally, maybe they'll tweak this new Off Balance a bit and reduce the cooldown or change Flame Lash a little bit.

But no, regardless of how an NB starts the offensive, the 'thorn' DK armor skills keeps NBs from going defensive for a few seconds at a time at any range. For example: resto lighting to proc the glyph cancel into cloak, defensive cloaking in response to being focused, etc. It's not as if that's anything game breaking, but it sure will be nice for the DK to have to use a little brains to get that cloak-cancelling feature.

You know what's worst than a defensive skill with thorns? Detection pots. That's a no brainer and is thousand times worst than spiked armor, because you spend 0 resources just pressing one key to completely shut down a build.

Yep. And I've said so in the past. The 'thorns' fix was a QoL change that I'm happy to see regardless. It even matches the range DK does damage in, not that there's much damage being done by the ability anyway.

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

"The following “thorns”, or damage return-based abilities, now have a 7 meter range on their effect, rather than infinite ranges:
Spiked Armor and its morphs" - Do you really think this bothered someone? - terrible nerf

This bothered the crap out of me on my Nightblade(s). DK brainlet could be yucking it up in his inventory halfway across the map when I attacked him and I'd be effectively unable to cloak for a second or two because the incoming damage would knock me out of it. This is a good change.

Also why are we pretending that MagDKs actually use Flame Lash?

You will always lead out of stealth attacking the enemy. And do not drag here dk. MagDKs actually use Flame Lash! Some use in pvp molten whip, but that doesn’t mean that now you have to kill an entire skill!

Nah -- It's not a reason at all. I'm not excusing it, but every mDK worth their salt that I've fought has had the glowing eyes molten whip buff up and unloaded it in the right time. Ideally, maybe they'll tweak this new Off Balance a bit and reduce the cooldown or change Flame Lash a little bit.

But no, regardless of how an NB starts the offensive, the 'thorn' DK armor skills keeps NBs from going defensive for a few seconds at a time at any range. For example: resto lighting to proc the glyph cancel into cloak, defensive cloaking in response to being focused, etc. It's not as if that's anything game breaking, but it sure will be nice for the DK to have to use a little brains to get that cloak-cancelling feature.

Because of you nerf wings, because of you nerf spikes, maybe stop complaining?

Seems kind of hypocritical when you're the one that started the complaint thread about 2 nearly irrelevant corners of the game. DKs are really running out of things to cherry pick. Anyhow, I have a long and exhaustive post history detailing why wings needed to be taken down a few pegs.

For the record, I agree with the Off Balance change being poorly thought out. I think we'll see revisions in further PTS cycles, because this is only the first of at least three.

Your thread about wings is irrelevant

See the above on why you're wrong. Anyway, I'm not the one who brought up old wings to begin with.

its absolutely fact, a lot of nbs complained about wings.

It needed it.

-Our class DoT reflected
-Our class spammable reflected
-Our class execute reflected
-Our class burst skill reflected

I don't really care either way about the Spikes. I will enjoy the Templar bubble not snaring me halfway across the map.

The dot shouldn’t of been reflectable but a skilled magblade could kill a Magdk with wings. It took a lot more skill but it was a l2p issue.

MaskedHuman · January 2020

Rahar wrote: »

Miloscpolski wrote: »

"The following “thorns”, or damage return-based abilities, now have a 7 meter range on their effect, rather than infinite ranges:
Spiked Armor and its morphs" - Do you really think this bothered someone? - terrible nerf

This bothered the crap out of me on my Nightblade(s). DK brainlet could be yucking it up in his inventory halfway across the map when I attacked him and I'd be effectively unable to cloak for a second or two because the incoming damage would knock me out of it. This is a good change.

Also why are we pretending that MagDKs actually use Flame Lash?

I used flame lash, I've always used flame lash, molten whip is literally only good for xv1ing and pve