Eruption

StShoot · January 2020

So is it just me being blind or is eruption the only aoe dot that didnt get its costs reduced ?

Savos_Saren · January 2020

Eruption on PTS is still a whopping 5103 magicka.

StShoot · January 2020

Ah thx so i guess its deservs that costs because of the op snare ?

MaskedHuman · January 2020

StShoot wrote: »

Ah thx so i guess its deservs that costs because of the op snare ?

no it's cuz zos wants to delete magdks

Volckodav · January 2020

Yes really needed a cost reduction to align it to other similar abilities, and keep it useful

BigBadVolk · January 2020

tbh I think they either forgot or just leave it for later cause neither nb or warden got an aoe reduc

jcm2606 · January 2020

MaskedHuman wrote: »

StShoot wrote: »

Ah thx so i guess its deservs that costs because of the op snare ?

no it's cuz zos wants to delete magdks

Between this, the Volatile nerf, and the off balance cooldown indirectly nerfing Flame Lash, I now fully believe this.

Tannus15 · January 2020

Eruption costs 5670 and lasts 15 seconds

all other skills cost 3780 for 10 seconds
2/3 of 5670 is 3780.

When it comes to balance by spreadsheet, you can always trust ZoS

StShoot · January 2020

Tannus15 wrote: »

Eruption costs 5670 and lasts 15 seconds

all other skills cost 3780 for 10 seconds
2/3 of 5670 is 3780.

When it comes to balance by spreadsheet, you can always trust ZoS

well but most of the other skills have something interesting to them:

Spear shards return resources
Sorcs lighting splash has also a synergie atached to it
elemental blockade either lasts longer than 10 secs or has an explosion at the end

Meanwhile eruption has a snare .... whitch is complete useless in pve. The high cost and the rather small area (for a snare) makes it also useless in pvp

OG_Kaveman · January 2020

with the new elf bane. the skill lasts for a whopping 24 seconds before you have to recast it. 5k mag every 24 seconds is not that bad.

StShoot · January 2020

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StShoot · January 2020

OG_Kaveman wrote: »

with the new elf bane. the skill lasts for a whopping 24 seconds before you have to recast it. 5k mag every 24 seconds is not that bad.

and you sacrifice 5 pieces for nothing but a longer duration.... awesome

its funny how ppl try to force dk in some niche setup

first the changes to combustion to encurage players using charged weapons (but only on the dk, not the other classes tho xD)
now this change to elfbane and i bet in zos mind thats the buff dk got this patch, to compensate the loss of flamelash and the volatile amor nerf

To remind you the only time elfbane saw some use was together with zaan and some niche pvp builds.
And its still good together with zaan but these days we have an entire raid where zaan cant hit a single one of the bosses

Lughlongarm · January 2020

StShoot wrote: »

OG_Kaveman wrote: »

with the new elf bane. the skill lasts for a whopping 24 seconds before you have to recast it. 5k mag every 24 seconds is not that bad.

and you sacrifice 5 pieces for nothing but a longer duration.... awesome

its funny how ppl try to force dk in some niche setup

first the changes to combustion to encurage players using charged weapons (but only on the dk, not the other classes tho xD)
now this change to elfbane and i bet in zos mind thats the buff dk got this patch, to compensate the loss of flamelash and the volatile amor nerf

To remind you the only time elfbane saw some use was together with zaan and some niche pvp builds.
And its still good together with zaan but these days we have an entire raid where zaan cant hit a single one of the bosses

Sure, it may be niche , But I wouldn't discard the usefulness of the new Elf bane just yet.
Skills that get tons of value out of Elfbane:

-Burning Talons
-Eruption
-Engulfing Flames
-Dragonknight Standard
-Flames of Oblivion

If you calculate the added damage and sustain(for not reapplying these skills)+ the extra Combustion passive prc,
the value is insane(If you use most/all of the above skills). Seems like a nice setup for a group play PvP.

ZarkingFrued · January 2020

Tannus15 wrote: »

Eruption costs 5670 and lasts 15 seconds

all other skills cost 3780 for 10 seconds
2/3 of 5670 is 3780.

When it comes to balance by spreadsheet, you can always trust ZoS

Reasons why this game is getting boring and unplayable. Spreadsheet balance makes sense ON PAPER. Good luck having that 5k mag when u need to use your hot or dot

Xvorg · January 2020

OG_Kaveman wrote: »

with the new elf bane. the skill lasts for a whopping 24 seconds before you have to recast it. 5k mag every 24 seconds is not that bad.

Is there any DD in PvE that runs Elf Bane?

Xvorg · January 2020

StShoot wrote: »

OG_Kaveman wrote: »

with the new elf bane. the skill lasts for a whopping 24 seconds before you have to recast it. 5k mag every 24 seconds is not that bad.

and you sacrifice 5 pieces for nothing but a longer duration.... awesome

its funny how ppl try to force dk in some niche setup

first the changes to combustion to encurage players using charged weapons (but only on the dk, not the other classes tho xD)
now this change to elfbane and i bet in zos mind thats the buff dk got this patch, to compensate the loss of flamelash and the volatile amor nerf

To remind you the only time elfbane saw some use was together with zaan and some niche pvp builds.
And its still good together with zaan but these days we have an entire raid where zaan cant hit a single one of the bosses

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OG_Kaveman · January 2020

Xvorg wrote: »

OG_Kaveman wrote: »

with the new elf bane. the skill lasts for a whopping 24 seconds before you have to recast it. 5k mag every 24 seconds is not that bad.

Is there any DD in PvE that runs Elf Bane?

I do on my magdk. Always have. So at least one. Fits the theme and makes the rotation easier for me.

. and you sacrifice 5 pieces for nothing but a longer duration.... awesome

That extra 5 seconds is insane, for damage and for sustain. Can't wait for it.

ESO_Nightingale · January 2020

yeah, so why does this skill really deserve to cost 5k mag again?

OG_Kaveman · January 2020

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

yeah, so why does this skill really deserve to cost 5k mag again?

Cause it lasts 50% longer by default. Meaning you don't cast it as much, meaning you average the same magic cost as other skills. Easy.

ESO_Nightingale · January 2020

OG_Kaveman wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

yeah, so why does this skill really deserve to cost 5k mag again?

Cause it lasts 50% longer by default. Meaning you don't cast it as much, meaning you average the same magic cost as other skills. Easy.

oh it's 50%? i thought it was less.

Xvorg · January 2020

Lughlongarm wrote: »

StShoot wrote: »

OG_Kaveman wrote: »

with the new elf bane. the skill lasts for a whopping 24 seconds before you have to recast it. 5k mag every 24 seconds is not that bad.

and you sacrifice 5 pieces for nothing but a longer duration.... awesome

its funny how ppl try to force dk in some niche setup

first the changes to combustion to encurage players using charged weapons (but only on the dk, not the other classes tho xD)
now this change to elfbane and i bet in zos mind thats the buff dk got this patch, to compensate the loss of flamelash and the volatile amor nerf

To remind you the only time elfbane saw some use was together with zaan and some niche pvp builds.
And its still good together with zaan but these days we have an entire raid where zaan cant hit a single one of the bosses

Sure, it may be niche , But I wouldn't discard the usefulness of the new Elf bane just yet.
Skills that get tons of value out of Elfbane:

-Burning Talons
-Eruption
-Engulfing Flames
-Dragonknight Standard
-Flames of Oblivion

If you calculate the added damage and sustain(for not reapplying these skills)+ the extra Combustion passive prc,
the value is insane(If you use most/all of the above skills). Seems like a nice setup for a group play PvP.

Elb bane IS CRAP!

it is a crappy set designerd (pun intended) to do crappy stuff, even now that has been "improved"

5 secs extra means just 2 extra ticks on engulfing, embers. It ads 5 ticks on skills that are casted on terrain, like standard or eruption, that are countered by WASD (just move away from the place). And even with that, as DoTs are purgeable/cloakable, the value of the sets is near to 0 in PvP

For the only thing Elf bane is useful is to increase Zaan dmg, and that can be done on any class in the game.

If the set increased DoT flame dmg on 1k it would be much, much better

OG_Kaveman · January 2020

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

OG_Kaveman wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

yeah, so why does this skill really deserve to cost 5k mag again?

Cause it lasts 50% longer by default. Meaning you don't cast it as much, meaning you average the same magic cost as other skills. Easy.

oh it's 50%? i thought it was less.

10 seconds is the default, ie unstable wall, eruption is 15 seconds by default, 18.2 with the passives, meaning that you get 80% more uptime then the default. Even compared to the 14 seconds from elemental blockade, you get almost 30% more ticks.

OG_Kaveman · January 2020

Xvorg wrote: »

Lughlongarm wrote: »

StShoot wrote: »

OG_Kaveman wrote: »

with the new elf bane. the skill lasts for a whopping 24 seconds before you have to recast it. 5k mag every 24 seconds is not that bad.

and you sacrifice 5 pieces for nothing but a longer duration.... awesome

its funny how ppl try to force dk in some niche setup

first the changes to combustion to encurage players using charged weapons (but only on the dk, not the other classes tho xD)
now this change to elfbane and i bet in zos mind thats the buff dk got this patch, to compensate the loss of flamelash and the volatile amor nerf

To remind you the only time elfbane saw some use was together with zaan and some niche pvp builds.
And its still good together with zaan but these days we have an entire raid where zaan cant hit a single one of the bosses

Sure, it may be niche , But I wouldn't discard the usefulness of the new Elf bane just yet.
Skills that get tons of value out of Elfbane:

-Burning Talons
-Eruption
-Engulfing Flames
-Dragonknight Standard
-Flames of Oblivion

If you calculate the added damage and sustain(for not reapplying these skills)+ the extra Combustion passive prc,
the value is insane(If you use most/all of the above skills). Seems like a nice setup for a group play PvP.

Elb bane IS CRAP!

it is a crappy set designerd (pun intended) to do crappy stuff, even now that has been "improved"

5 secs extra means just 2 extra ticks on engulfing, embers. It ads 5 ticks on skills that are casted on terrain, like standard or eruption, that are countered by WASD (just move away from the place). And even with that, as DoTs are purgeable/cloakable, the value of the sets is near to 0 in PvP

For the only thing Elf bane is useful is to increase Zaan dmg, and that can be done on any class in the game.

If the set increased DoT flame dmg on 1k it would be much, much better

All of this ought to be marked *in PvP. Even with "only 2 more ticks", that is 30% more ticks then the default.

ESO_Nightingale · January 2020

OG_Kaveman wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

OG_Kaveman wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

yeah, so why does this skill really deserve to cost 5k mag again?

Cause it lasts 50% longer by default. Meaning you don't cast it as much, meaning you average the same magic cost as other skills. Easy.

oh it's 50%? i thought it was less.

10 seconds is the default, ie unstable wall, eruption is 15 seconds by default, 18.2 with the passives, meaning that you get 80% more uptime then the default. Even compared to the 14 seconds from elemental blockade, you get almost 30% more ticks.

I forgot they changed everything.