Please don't gut off balance!

MentalxHammer · January 2020

Please revert the changes to off balance!

If we give OB a 15 second cooldown then the off balance weave combos will be completely useless =( Very few people even use this as a method to stun so I really feel like it doesn't deserve a nerf. Learning off balance combos has brought a totally new element of gameplay to the experience; after all of the push back from nerfs WHY do we need to nerf something so trivial? Please keep dizzying the same and allow it to inflict off balance on demand, please keep off balance the same and allow us to use this as a viable stun. NO MORE NERFS!

MaskedHuman · January 2020

you forgot the fact that they killed MagDKs even more, because power lash will be a completely useless skill now.

Ryanoxx · January 2020

MaskedHuman wrote: »

you forgot the fact that they killed MagDKs even more, because power lash will be a completely useless skill now.

I absolutely agree... I won't play MagDk anymore if this goes live the way it is on pts now. This is absolutely terrible for everyone who uses flame lash. Also sneaky nerf to volatile armor range... 7m. I'm sick of getting nerfed every patch. I should change classes thats just ridiculous.

MentalxHammer · January 2020

MaskedHuman wrote: »

you forgot the fact that they killed MagDKs even more, because power lash will be a completely useless skill now.

Omg yuck! Why ZOS? Why do you riddle us with these unnecessary nerfs? Dizzy was in a good place this patch, not OP and required skill to utilize the stun, please stop changing it!

Crixus8000 · January 2020

MentalxHammer wrote: »

MaskedHuman wrote: »

you forgot the fact that they killed MagDKs even more, because power lash will be a completely useless skill now.

Omg yuck! Why ZOS? Why do you riddle us with these unnecessary nerfs? Dizzy was in a good place this patch, not OP and required skill to utilize the stun, please stop changing it!

I agree

Dizzy worked well like that last patch when it was mindless and did huge damage, but this patch it's damage was nerfed a lot and being able to time burst with the cc added skill to using it and allowed it to make up for the damage loss through doing a burst combo.

Looks like I will hate playing stamsorc this patch.

Wheresthetea11 · January 2020

So now off balance only lasts 7 seconds, and allows players 15 seconds of immunity? Aw crap

and I was just starting to combo/understand the stun it gave

Edit: 15 seconds of immunity, not 8

ebix_ · January 2020

it will take 3 more months till devs realize what we are talking about ... shame .

StrandedMonkey · January 2020

MaskedHuman wrote: »

you forgot the fact that they killed MagDKs even more, because power lash will be a completely useless skill now.

you guys still have fossilize what are you saying

MaskedHuman · January 2020

StrandedMonkey wrote: »

MaskedHuman wrote: »

you forgot the fact that they killed MagDKs even more, because power lash will be a completely useless skill now.

you guys still have fossilize what are you saying

I'm talking about power lash, the ability that relies on off balance to get the heal and extra damage.

Lash an enemy with flame, dealing xxxx Flame Damage. If you strike an enemy that is immobile or stunned, you set them Off Balance. Targeting an Off Balance enemy changes this ability into Power Lash, allowing you to lash an enemy at half cost to deal xxxx Flame Damage and heal you for xxxx Health over 2 seconds. This effect can occur once every 3 seconds.

Canned_Apples · January 2020

Off Balance had a player CD? I thought the CD only applied to mobs.
Well, I'm still downloading.. (25%) I want to see the silly new DK ability.

J18696 · January 2020

I think the cooldown needs tobe lower for people who use off balance as a cc this is abit of a problem in some scenarios

MentalxHammer · January 2020

Wheresthetea11 wrote: »

So now off balance only lasts 7 seconds, and allows players 15 seconds of immunity? Aw crap and I was just starting to combo/understand the stun it gave

Edit: 15 seconds of immunity, not 8

This is what I'm saying! The off balance combo was adding a lot of enjoyment to gameplay for me, and here we go ripping it away for absolutely no reason, I have seen 0 nerf off balance threads.

MentalxHammer · January 2020

Off balance stun already has more than appropriate counter play, it can be blocked, it can be purged. If there is ANY cooldown this will not be a viable CC.

SilverPaws · January 2020

Revert the change.

Wheresthetea11 · January 2020

Zos gave new sources of off balance last patch (birds of prey and dizzy) and now they’re nerfing it? Really hope the change doesn’t go through

Arcanasx · January 2020

"Updated Off Balance to behave more consistently across content in the game"

Can we not screw over PVP builds that have a focus on utilizing off balance for a change that was originally meant to diminish the power of some specific PVE lightning staff heavy attack builds against NPC bosses? There is no need for this silly standardization, I haven't heard of anyone complain about off balance in PVP...

SilverPaws · January 2020

Yeah also this change would throw another good stamina set into trash can, doesn't we have enough useless sets already?
Reconsider please this change, cause it's not good.

evoniee · January 2020

im ok with the idea, but it would be cool if the cooldown is lower, like 9 sec

Altyrann · January 2020

As a PvE main, the change here is effectively giving players in PvP the same cooldown on off balance that bosses in PvE currently have?

MusCanus · January 2020

Another patch, another dumb nerf nobody was asking for. Were you expecting something else from ZOS?

StShoot · January 2020

Ryanoxx wrote: »

MaskedHuman wrote: »

you forgot the fact that they killed MagDKs even more, because power lash will be a completely useless skill now.

I absolutely agree... I won't play MagDk anymore if this goes live the way it is on pts now. This is absolutely terrible for everyone who uses flame lash. Also sneaky nerf to volatile armor range... 7m. I'm sick of getting nerfed every patch. I should change classes thats just ridiculous.

yeah volatile amor was allready one of the most underwhelming ways to get those 5 k resistance and zos nerfed it more... that+ the elfbane buff + the offbalance changes+ that new monsterset+REPLACING the group q with a solo q when we could have both ... i dont understand these developers, everything they do just seems irrational

NinchiTV · January 2020

Off balance isnt a problem. Devs should leave it alone.

MirkoZ · January 2020

Cd ln off balance should be max 5 sec not more...

JumpmanLane · January 2020

I’m CONVINCED the devs don’t play this game...

amir412 · January 2020

Do we play the same game guys?
Off balance is broken because the server cant handle it!!!!!!!!

Please tell me if this streamer could actually see me med attack him for the stun, 00:16, rewind it in slow mo too

https://clips.twitch.tv/CredulousImpossibleCakeCmonBruh

MCBIZZLE300 · January 2020

They should just give the stun back to dizzy and forget all the BS.

jcm2606 · January 2020

amir412 wrote: »

Do we play the same game guys?
Off balance is broken because the server cant handle it!!!!!!!!

Please tell me if this streamer could actually see me med attack him for the stun, 00:16, rewind it in slow mo too

https://clips.twitch.tv/CredulousImpossibleCakeCmonBruh

And the solution to that should be introducing other stuns (ie, give Dizzy its stun back), so players aren't forced to use the off balance stun, or, rework the off balance stun so that it requires a fully charged heavy attack to proc (at which point it'll become unusable with 2H, at which point, give Dizzy its stun back).

The solution to that should not be adding a universal cooldown to off balance, that *** up multiple other skills and uses of it.

amir412 · January 2020

jcm2606 wrote: »

amir412 wrote: »

Do we play the same game guys?
Off balance is broken because the server cant handle it!!!!!!!!

Please tell me if this streamer could actually see me med attack him for the stun, 00:16, rewind it in slow mo too

https://clips.twitch.tv/CredulousImpossibleCakeCmonBruh

And the solution to that should be introducing other stuns (ie, give Dizzy its stun back), so players aren't forced to use the off balance stun, or, rework the off balance stun so that it requires a fully charged heavy attack to proc (at which point it'll become unusable with 2H, at which point, give Dizzy its stun back).

The solution to that should not be adding a universal cooldown to off balance, that *** up multiple other skills and uses of it.

Good idea.

MusCanus · January 2020

jcm2606 wrote: »

...rework the off balance stun so that it requires a fully charged heavy attack to proc (at which point it'll become unusable with 2H...

How about doing exactly that but adding some additional effect for off balance, like increased damage from a fully charged heavy or something else? So it would be hard to utilize but rewarding.

MyPrist · January 2020

MentalxHammer wrote: »

Please revert the changes to off balance!

If we give OB a 15 second cooldown then the off balance weave combos will be completely useless =( Very few people even use this as a method to stun so I really feel like it doesn't deserve a nerf. Learning off balance combos has brought a totally new element of gameplay to the experience; after all of the push back from nerfs WHY do we need to nerf something so trivial? Please keep dizzying the same and allow it to inflict off balance on demand, please keep off balance the same and allow us to use this as a viable stun. NO MORE NERFS!

I use off balance for my build. For now it does not look as a problem. Look on full picture. There are a lot of + and -, yes some changes, but it is hard to say is it good or bad. I think it is not a time to worry.

Stun now can land not such often.

Break free is more expencive.

Try to look in all of it.
It does not look as nerf for me. Yes it is some bad thing in it, but they add a lot off things to make it not such bad.

+- now is not as different.

Just some changes. But i can not say is it bad or not. I thought all will be fine.

Untill some new changes and bugs in future updates.

I wait in fear will it be new bugs in pts 5.3.1+ and hope , my skills work after it, no 9 month bugs again.

MusCanus · January 2020

MyPrist wrote: »

MentalxHammer wrote: »

Please revert the changes to off balance!

If we give OB a 15 second cooldown then the off balance weave combos will be completely useless =( Very few people even use this as a method to stun so I really feel like it doesn't deserve a nerf. Learning off balance combos has brought a totally new element of gameplay to the experience; after all of the push back from nerfs WHY do we need to nerf something so trivial? Please keep dizzying the same and allow it to inflict off balance on demand, please keep off balance the same and allow us to use this as a viable stun. NO MORE NERFS!

I use off balance for my build. For now it does not look as a problem. Look on full picture. There are a lot of + and -, yes some changes, but it is hard to say is it good or bad. I think it is not a time to worry.

Stun now can land not such often.

Break free is more expencive.

Try to look in all of it.
It does not look as nerf for me. Yes it is some bad thing in it, but they add a lot off things to make it not such bad.

+- now is not as different.

Just some changes. But i can not say is it bad or not. I thought all will be fine.

Untill some new changes and bugs in future updates.

I wait in fear will it be new bugs in pts 5.3.1+ and hope , my skills work after it, no 9 month bugs again.

Where are the "+" you're talking about, where did u get that a break free will be more expensive?
It is a straight and a huge nerf, that's a fact. If it does not look like one for you, you're either blind or dumb. But hey, maybe both, "try to look in all of it".