I don’t know if it’s honest, moreso someone with perspective.
Most of the sorcs who were driving more NB nerfs only played sorcs. They build really glassy and then think about the times a stam came and bursted then and asked for more buffs.
Anyone who’s played both knows they’re delusional.
Sorcerer MUST be more powerful than the others!!! is logic
how many times is MAGIC and magical powers that represent power in this game? ALL THE TIME
so how a single knife (same for swords. axes .....) can by more powerful than the might of magic? never that is the answer and that is why magical class must be more powerful. (stmina "sorcerers" are NOT sorcerers!)
I don’t know if it’s honest, moreso someone with perspective.
Most of the sorcs who were driving more NB nerfs only played sorcs. They build really glassy and then think about the times a stam came and bursted then and asked for more buffs.
Anyone who’s played both knows they’re delusional.
Just out of curiosity, what specifically were Sorcs asking to be nerfed on NBs? I wasn't around for that.
Sorcerer MUST be more powerful than the others!!! is logic
how many times is MAGIC and magical powers that represent power in this game? ALL THE TIME
so how a single knife (same for swords. axes .....) can by more powerful than the might of magic? never that is the answer and that is why magical class must be more powerful. (stmina "sorcerers" are NOT sorcerers!)
I main a magsorc, i think petsorcs should be nerfed because it's really ez mode, but some other classes as well
The healing is just too much, people need to start dying at some point in pvp, too many immortals running around and it should not be normal that it takes 15 ppl to take them down
You put a good magsorc vs a class full of healing, the fight could go on for an hour, no fun in this
Knightpanther wrote: »I main a magsorc, i think petsorcs should be nerfed because it's really ez mode, but some other classes as well
The healing is just too much, people need to start dying at some point in pvp, too many immortals running around and it should not be normal that it takes 15 ppl to take them down
You put a good magsorc vs a class full of healing, the fight could go on for an hour, no fun in this
I main a Magsorc too, have done since the start, please tell me how its easy mode and i can pass it onto the next axe-wielding maniac that hits me in Cyrodill.
Be safe
I don’t know if it’s honest, moreso someone with perspective.
Most of the sorcs who were driving more NB nerfs only played sorcs. They build really glassy and then think about the times a stam came and bursted then and asked for more buffs.
Anyone who’s played both knows they’re delusional.
Actually, he was using a matriarch when I played against him. That match in particular, he had no deaths, the most kills of anyone in the BG, and still had over 500k healing. That's how it is every match I've seen him in though.Knightpanther wrote: »
Basicly everything, nerf NB threads were half the threads. Whenever there was anything that could have helped magblade there was a chorus of asking to nerf it into the ground.
A bunch of DK mains piped in too because they saw NBs as the reason wings were nerfed.
At the same time almost everyone were already saying NBs were only so so and being excluded from pvp guilds. The devs then did a pass and gutted the toolkit to remove ‘overlap’
A lot of people don’t play a lot but still post their opinions. You usually get outdated nerf requests on classes that have already been toned down, this happened to NB big time.
Plus there was a lot of L2P involved. People used to wear divines and infused in pvp and be really prone to ganking.
I main a magsorc, i think petsorcs should be nerfed because it's really ez mode, but some other classes as well
The healing is just too much, people need to start dying at some point in pvp, too many immortals running around and it should not be normal that it takes 15 ppl to take them down
You put a good magsorc vs a class full of healing, the fight could go on for an hour, no fun in this
Really? Cloak is already borderline garbage as it is in my opinion. Don't get me wrong: it seemed seriously OP AF when I first started, but the more I play & the higher the MMR of the BGs I'm in, the more useless it becomes.Strider__Roshin wrote: »Also I'm aware that Nightblades are in an awful spot but I still think cloak needs nerfed in conjunction with a lot of much needed buffs.
Strider__Roshin wrote: »I main a magsorc, i think petsorcs should be nerfed because it's really ez mode, but some other classes as well
The healing is just too much, people need to start dying at some point in pvp, too many immortals running around and it should not be normal that it takes 15 ppl to take them down
You put a good magsorc vs a class full of healing, the fight could go on for an hour, no fun in this
Agreed I'm not a fan of how powerful talentless play styles are. Which is why I think proc sets should be weak, and tanky specs should do pitiful damage. I also think we need to separate damage scaling from healing/damage shield scaling.
Basicly everything, nerf NB threads were half the threads. Whenever there was anything that could have helped magblade there was a chorus of asking to nerf it into the ground.
A bunch of DK mains piped in too because they saw NBs as the reason wings were nerfed.
At the same time almost everyone were already saying NBs were only so so and being excluded from pvp guilds. The devs then did a pass and gutted the toolkit to remove ‘overlap’
A lot of people don’t play a lot but still post their opinions. You usually get outdated nerf requests on classes that have already been toned down, this happened to NB big time.
Plus there was a lot of L2P involved. People used to wear divines and infused in pvp and be really prone to ganking.
Just to be fair. Half of the forum shouted "nerf Nb" while the other half wrote "Nerf sorc".
Really? Cloak is already borderline garbage as it is in my opinion. Don't get me wrong: it seemed seriously OP AF when I first started, but the more I play & the higher the MMR of the BGs I'm in, the more useless it becomes.Strider__Roshin wrote: »Also I'm aware that Nightblades are in an awful spot but I still think cloak needs nerfed in conjunction with a lot of much needed buffs.
I don't see NBs as much as I used to, but when I do they're almost all super easy kills. Just pop a potion & their defenses are gone for 15 seconds (which is about 3x as long as I need to end them.) The real kicker is, they don't even realize their cloak is gone at first because there's no visual or audio cue that they can be seen.
I still get hate whispers on my magblade every now and then about how I must be running "exploits" because they can't seem to pull me out of cloak, but lately it seems like it doesn't work more often than it does. BGs are basically wall-to-wall AOE anymore, so much of the time cloak pretty much just feels like a wasted slot on my bar.
I'm toying with Dark Cloak now, and if I can make it work I'm just going to ditch Shadowy Disguise. It's not nearly as fun, but at least the game isn't loaded with skills, AOE, & potions that can completely turn it off.
Strider__Roshin wrote: »Really? Cloak is already borderline garbage as it is in my opinion. Don't get me wrong: it seemed seriously OP AF when I first started, but the more I play & the higher the MMR of the BGs I'm in, the more useless it becomes.Strider__Roshin wrote: »Also I'm aware that Nightblades are in an awful spot but I still think cloak needs nerfed in conjunction with a lot of much needed buffs.
I don't see NBs as much as I used to, but when I do they're almost all super easy kills. Just pop a potion & their defenses are gone for 15 seconds (which is about 3x as long as I need to end them.) The real kicker is, they don't even realize their cloak is gone at first because there's no visual or audio cue that they can be seen.
I still get hate whispers on my magblade every now and then about how I must be running "exploits" because they can't seem to pull me out of cloak, but lately it seems like it doesn't work more often than it does. BGs are basically wall-to-wall AOE anymore, so much of the time cloak pretty much just feels like a wasted slot on my bar.
I'm toying with Dark Cloak now, and if I can make it work I'm just going to ditch Shadowy Disguise. It's not nearly as fun, but at least the game isn't loaded with skills, AOE, & potions that can completely turn it off.
Depends on your opponent. Cloak exists in two forms: overpowered and useless.
If I were to change it I would make it so AoEs no longer break it, but if your opponent uses a light or heavy attack you'll get hit and it'll break cloak as long as you were within LOS. This way Cloak isn't mindlessly broken, but intentional.
Strider__Roshin wrote: »Really? Cloak is already borderline garbage as it is in my opinion. Don't get me wrong: it seemed seriously OP AF when I first started, but the more I play & the higher the MMR of the BGs I'm in, the more useless it becomes.Strider__Roshin wrote: »Also I'm aware that Nightblades are in an awful spot but I still think cloak needs nerfed in conjunction with a lot of much needed buffs.
I don't see NBs as much as I used to, but when I do they're almost all super easy kills. Just pop a potion & their defenses are gone for 15 seconds (which is about 3x as long as I need to end them.) The real kicker is, they don't even realize their cloak is gone at first because there's no visual or audio cue that they can be seen.
I still get hate whispers on my magblade every now and then about how I must be running "exploits" because they can't seem to pull me out of cloak, but lately it seems like it doesn't work more often than it does. BGs are basically wall-to-wall AOE anymore, so much of the time cloak pretty much just feels like a wasted slot on my bar.
I'm toying with Dark Cloak now, and if I can make it work I'm just going to ditch Shadowy Disguise. It's not nearly as fun, but at least the game isn't loaded with skills, AOE, & potions that can completely turn it off.
Depends on your opponent. Cloak exists in two forms: overpowered and useless.
If I were to change it I would make it so AoEs no longer break it, but if your opponent uses a light or heavy attack you'll get hit and it'll break cloak as long as you were within LOS. This way Cloak isn't mindlessly broken, but intentional.
Strider__Roshin wrote: »Really? Cloak is already borderline garbage as it is in my opinion. Don't get me wrong: it seemed seriously OP AF when I first started, but the more I play & the higher the MMR of the BGs I'm in, the more useless it becomes.Strider__Roshin wrote: »Also I'm aware that Nightblades are in an awful spot but I still think cloak needs nerfed in conjunction with a lot of much needed buffs.
I don't see NBs as much as I used to, but when I do they're almost all super easy kills. Just pop a potion & their defenses are gone for 15 seconds (which is about 3x as long as I need to end them.) The real kicker is, they don't even realize their cloak is gone at first because there's no visual or audio cue that they can be seen.
I still get hate whispers on my magblade every now and then about how I must be running "exploits" because they can't seem to pull me out of cloak, but lately it seems like it doesn't work more often than it does. BGs are basically wall-to-wall AOE anymore, so much of the time cloak pretty much just feels like a wasted slot on my bar.
I'm toying with Dark Cloak now, and if I can make it work I'm just going to ditch Shadowy Disguise. It's not nearly as fun, but at least the game isn't loaded with skills, AOE, & potions that can completely turn it off.
Depends on your opponent. Cloak exists in two forms: overpowered and useless.
If I were to change it I would make it so AoEs no longer break it, but if your opponent uses a light or heavy attack you'll get hit and it'll break cloak as long as you were within LOS. This way Cloak isn't mindlessly broken, but intentional.
Thing is who doesn’t have aoes? I have the most trouble with NBs on my warden because you can’t spam bugs. Taking out a NB with northern storm seems like a waste of an ultimate.
Sorcerer MUST be more powerful than the others!!! is logic
how many times is MAGIC and magical powers that represent power in this game? ALL THE TIME
so how a single knife (same for swords. axes .....) can by more powerful than the might of magic? never that is the answer and that is why magical class must be more powerful. (stmina "sorcerers" are NOT sorcerers!)
MartiniDaniels wrote: »
No. When NB was nerfed hard in U21-22 half of the forum was dancing from happiness. When sorc was nerfed made more skill based in U23, those people just left the game
This is tiring.
When will we ever get over the Sorc vs nb bs?
Never? Ok.
This is tiring.
When will we ever get over the Sorc vs nb bs?
Never? Ok.
It sorta is over. OP is a newer magblade so is still trying to make it work. Most magblades have already moved on.
New team and a steady stream of nerfs means they have a different idea about pvp. I don’t have much faith things will get better for magblades anytime soon... I mean, they’ve been buffing other classes.