Leeched wrote: »

Yes, classes SHOULD be better in some things than others but thanks to people like most of the ones in this thread here, my magblade now has tank and some less than medicore heal skills while the dps part turned into a big pile of doggypoo in PvP (all projectiles, easy to avoid). Meanwhile it still has no good burst heal and is squishy af, if you dont want to play some zero dmg tank build. Once it had huge dmg output but was squishy but all dmg got neutered so much, its just a worse magsorc now.
The class SHOULD hit hard and be squishy or just give it a decent burst heal, if you wanna water down class identity even more.

I disagree. What is it about Class 1 that means it should do more damage than Class 2? Nothing. That’s just bad game design.

And being ‘able to do more damage’ isn’t something that stems from class identity.

That should stem from player choice in skills and tactics. So a player might be able to do more damage by filling their skill bars with offensive skills (sacrificing heals or shields), choosing offensive gear and weapon sets (again sacrifice protection or resistance) and, say, attacking from stealth and being a better player. That might be fantastically powerful if they got the first blow, but terrible if they were attacked.

Class identity should help define each class so each feels distinct and very identifiable, while making each equally viable for all roles (dd, tank, healer and PvP). A magblade dd should feel different and encourage a different play style to a mag DK dd. But both should be similarly powerful (subject to the player’s choices, skills and ability).

Which means in a NB case, they should have access to a similar burst heal compared to other classes (whether that is a specific NB skill or a separate skill line skill like Vigour) and be able to choose to use from a range of single target, AoE, ranged and close offensive skills.

At the moment in both PvE and PvP, skills, tactics and player ability seem to be less effective than protection and healing in one on one fights. So my tanky characters will do better at soloing WBs than my harder hitting, less tanky ones. And that’s the real challenge that ZOS and players face.

All classes should be able to do everything, to similar degrees, some classes will be better at something just because of their toolkit, like dk is better at tanking for example, that is fine.

What should differentiate classes is how they play.

So let me get this straight.
You think it’s ok for healer classes to have super high damage and the assassin class to be the best tank?
What?
Ok. This is why eso is going downhill.
It used to be that all classes were unique. Now they take off and homogenise all the things that made the classes good at their roles.
Play how you want is a paradox.
Because if you want to 1 shot people naked with a ice staff you would be able to do that.
This is a mmo not a RPG.
The classes need to have limits.
I’m not saying nb tank should be super bad. I’m saying dk should be the best tank.
If I were to rate it out of 5,
Nb would be a 3 and dk a five.
But for dd, nb would be a 5, and dk a 3.
That is how fair balance works.
Otherwise when one class gets a buff everyone will be the same class.
As was mentioned above, it’s eso the clone wars.

Edit: this is why role players shouldn’t be on the forums.