SUPER Excited for Greymoor, BUT Wood Elf decreased detection radius passive, when???

elven.were_wolf · January 2020

It’s been more than a year since this change to the Wood Elf racial passive with the Murkmire Patch (if I remember correctly) and I have felt it’s impact ever since that change with my constant failed attempts at lockpicking the Bank of Mournhold Strongbox and Pickpocketing undetected.🙃 I just want to be that Lore-friendly Sneaky Wood Elf thief that I had initially created and mained for years that could stay hidden and do their Illegal endeavors (like lockpicking the Mournhold Bank Strongbox) without constant detection from everyone around them.

Since the passive change, I have never made use of that increased radius of detecting stealthed enemies, tbh.

Please Zos, let the Graymoor chapter return to the trend of past TES wood elf racial passives, and let me be that thieving Wood Elf that all the other races warn about when it comes to their coin pouch.

Jaraal · January 2020

Agreed, it's a shame they turned their back on 20 years of TES stealthy wood elf lore, and gave us a very situational PvP only racial passive that absolutely nobody asked for in exchange.

Faulgor · January 2020

I'm impressed you people still continue to bring that up. I wish Argonians had such vocal advocates.

Keep fighting, little guys!

Vevvev · January 2020

Faulgor wrote: »

I'm impressed you people still continue to bring that up. I wish Argonians had such vocal advocates.

Keep fighting, little guys!

The Bosmer people are true fighters are they not? To be honest I hope they succeed as my one singular Bosmer alt misses her sneak passive greatly.

FrancisCrawford · January 2020

I changed my Bosmer thief to a Khajiit namee Grumpy Ex Wood Elf. But I haven't really enjoyed playing him since.

That will be particularly annoying if it turns out that a thief build is good for the Antiquities mechanism.

StrandedMonkey · January 2020

why dont you nightblades just cloak more

Lady_Linux · January 2020

you are going to be essential as they are in the next chapter... stealth detection is gonna be op to battle vampires... didnt you see lyris and her pal use stealth detection in that video... bosmer are now bis

Gilvoth · January 2020

Lady_Linux wrote: »

... didnt you see lyris and her pal use stealth detection in that video...

no i did not, im looking @1:32 and i dont see any stealth detection being used.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miDV90TPjGM

StrandedMonkey · January 2020

Gilvoth wrote: »

Lady_Linux wrote: »

... didnt you see lyris and her pal use stealth detection in that video...

no i did not, im looking @1:32 and i dont see any stealth detection being used.

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miDV90TPjGM

its pretty clear that this guy is using race against time and mist form to kite
how do you know that he isnt a vampire stamsorc huh

Lady_Linux · January 2020

Gilvoth wrote: »

Lady_Linux wrote: »

... didnt you see lyris and her pal use stealth detection in that video...

no i did not, im looking @1:32 and i dont see any stealth detection being used.

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miDV90TPjGM

well you cant detect stealth without stealth detection so you did see them detect stealtth so stealth detection was used.

pretty clear to me they did

Jaraal · January 2020

Lady_Linux wrote: »

well you cant detect stealth without stealth detection so you did see them detect stealtth so stealth detection was used.

pretty clear to me they did

Well, that was the furriest Bosmer I ever saw, then.

Nice that he was able to close his eyes and put 3 skill points into it before the next attack!

bearbelly · January 2020

Lady_Linux wrote: »

you are going to be essential as they are in the next chapter... stealth detection is gonna be op to battle vampires... didnt you see lyris and her pal use stealth detection in that video...

So... you're saying they are giving Nords Stealth Detection in the next chapter?
'Cuz Lyris and that bearded dude weren't Bosmer.
Cool, cool, cool.

snoozy · January 2020

switched to khajiit bc of the changes back then. nor regrets.

but i do want the sneaky passive back for my bosmer toon as well!

xXMeowMeowXx · January 2020

Faulgor wrote: »

I'm impressed you people still continue to bring that up. I wish Argonians had such vocal advocates.

Keep fighting, little guys!

Where is the support for the lizards
-_-

Hotdog_23 · January 2020

Unfortunately I think that ship has sailed but keep the good fight up because nothing is ever written in stone.

Jaraal · January 2020

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

Unfortunately I think that ship has sailed but keep the good fight up because nothing is ever written in stone.

We can always hope that someday they will hire a lore / combat team that values TES tradition, doesn't bring back sacrificed heroes to sell DLC, etc. But even if they don't, they will hear us until they turn out the lights for the last time.

alanmatillab16_ESO · January 2020

Jaraal wrote: »

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

Unfortunately I think that ship has sailed but keep the good fight up because nothing is ever written in stone.

We can always hope that someday they will hire a lore / combat team that values TES tradition, doesn't bring back sacrificed heroes to sell DLC, etc. But even if they don't, they will hear us until they turn out the lights for the last time.

Someone that gives a monkeys about continuity would be nice too.

Seeing Abnar Tharn hanging in the mages guild saying "Ah you got here at last" when he is also trapped in Coldharbour
Doing quests with Sai Sahan when he is still trapped in Coldharbour
and the soon to arrive

Doing quests with Lyris Titanborn when she is still trapped in Coldharbour.

max_only · January 2020

Yes!
Please don’t let them forget.
Hey Zos, I’ll reinstate my sub for a year if you finally fricking fix this.
That’s how low the bar is right now.

Tommy_The_Gun · January 2020

One could only hope that those 2 races (Bosmer & Argonian) would see some improvements on PTS. They are the only 2 races that people seem to point out are underperforming and do not meet the original racial rebalance goals:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/453551/upcoming-racial-balance-changes-for-update-21/p1

1.Allow more effective options when picking a race for each role in tanking, healing, or damage dealing.
2. Equalize the overall power that each race provides by using our set bonus efficiency system, which compares the total amount of power that a bonus provides under equal terms.
3. Retain and enhance the unique feeling and gameplay patterns that each race allows.
4. Improve the sense of progression that the racial passives provide when leveling up.
5. Achieve the above goals while still obeying our rich and structured lore and storytelling.

Kadoin · January 2020

Maybe when they fix the fact that stealth reduction radius can be bugged to make you completely undetectable and work better than cloak.

Cundu_Ertur · January 2020

xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

I'm impressed you people still continue to bring that up. I wish Argonians had such vocal advocates.

Keep fighting, little guys!

Where is the support for the lizards
-_-

Some of us are fighting for them, still.

CassandraGemini · January 2020

bearbelly wrote: »

Lady_Linux wrote: »

you are going to be essential as they are in the next chapter... stealth detection is gonna be op to battle vampires... didnt you see lyris and her pal use stealth detection in that video...

So... you're saying they are giving Nords Stealth Detection in the next chapter?
'Cuz Lyris and that bearded dude weren't Bosmer.
Cool, cool, cool.

Well, I guess Inner Light does the job, too, but then again it's a Mages Guild skill, and from what we know about Lyris I highly doubt she'd use one of those. Bearded Nord guy doesn't really look like that would be his forte either. And unless he didn't pull a skill that works similarly and activates by closing your eyes for a second out of his arse there, I think we can rule that out.

Other than that, whenever I see threads like this I'm kind of torn between being pretty sure that ZOS doesn't plan on changing any of the racial passives anytime soon... and still hoping against my better judgment that they might, if we keep being vocal enough about it, so I won't give up, no matter how futile it may be.

Edit: I just rewatched that trailer and it seems to me like those vamps are not even using stealth but rather Mist Form. Which would mean stealth detection would be completely useless in that case anyway.

anadandy · January 2020

Especially if they add a bunch of stealth related quests to the main story again like they did in Elsweyr (sneak into X, steal Y, don't kill anyone). That was just a thumb in the eye for losing Bosmer stealth.

Stealth detection remains useless in PVE and boderline useless (as well as bugged to be actually detrimental) in PVP. This has never been addressed. I will never let that go.

Also, Bosmer stand with our Argonian fellows!

Rukia541 · January 2020

I tried bosmer stealth archer.. I'm curious, where exactly are their awesome bow & stealth passives they should have? Not a fan of the evade for pen, doesn't make much sense to increase offense by evading.

Jaraal · January 2020

Rukia541 wrote: »

I tried bosmer stealth archer.. I'm curious, where exactly are their awesome bow & stealth passives they should have? Not a fan of the evade for pen, doesn't make much sense to increase offense by evading.

Not to mention you're burning offensive resources to roll around, plus you aren't doing any damage while tumbling around on the ground, either (unless your're planting easily avoidable runes or doing minor damage rolling through enemies dumb enough to stand there while you roll around in your cheesy sub-par armor set.)

elven.were_wolf · January 2020

My idea for anyone who actually wants a detect stealthed enemies passive (haven’t heard anyone tbh) is that it is added as a Werewolf human form passive, since Greymoor is about both Vampires and Werewolves, plus Werewolves have heightened senses lore-wise so it adds some RP flavour to being a WW. This change I’m suggesting is assuming us Wood Elves get our Stealth detection radius reduction back

Ofcourse, this passive is without the old crit from stealth, since that would be very balance related and I’m purely talking about lore immersive elements and PvE Legerdemain activity.

And for my Lizard Brethren, I guess the reason ZOS is avoiding Argonian passives, because the passives in question are tied to combat balance. However, I do suggest bringing up a post about Argonian passives every now and again as the least it would do is constantly remind the community and maybe Devs that skim over forum topics about the issue.

CynicK · January 2020

Yes I hope they show some love for wood elves, they are sneaky they even have a rite of thievery or something like that, even the books you find around valenwood talk about how sneaky they are, that they are all day robing and we get a passive that just works in pvp and is just for bombers you do not catch anyway because they most likely use invisibility to approach the final meters, I mean very useless.

Araneae6537 · January 2020

Lady_Linux wrote: »

you are going to be essential as they are in the next chapter... stealth detection is gonna be op to battle vampires... didnt you see lyris and her pal use stealth detection in that video... bosmer are now bis

Even if that’s true, I dare say most of is couldn’t care less about that: it’s not about being bis it’s about maintaining the abilities and identity they always had in the lore!

That passive should be moved to the Fighter’s Guild skill line since the theme seems to be hunting down daedra, vampires and werewolves. I think it would be quite fitting and then people could take it or not depending on whether they do PvP, etc.

A_Silverius · February 2020

anadandy wrote: »

Especially if they add a bunch of stealth related quests to the main story again like they did in Elsweyr (sneak into X, steal Y, don't kill anyone). That was just a thumb in the eye for losing Bosmer stealth.

Stealth detection remains useless in PVE and boderline useless (as well as bugged to be actually detrimental) in PVP. This has never been addressed. I will never let that go.

Never

DreadDaedroth · February 2020

Never because the mentality of uniqueness for each race. That way Wood elves and Argonian got the short straws.

Ratzkifal · February 2020

It was in Wrathstone, not Murkmire, but we started talking about it during Murkmire because of PTS.
Also, it's been over a year now. I'm sure if it hadn't been closed down, the thread would have reached 200 pages by now