Oh Boy I'm Excited For the NEW PvP Content!

Anyron · January 2020

Aptonoth wrote: »

They should kill pvp so they can balance pve and give full attention towards pve.

i like to fight actual person and not coded numbers.

Defeating computer just isnt rewarding.

AlienSlof · January 2020

Casterial wrote: »

We don't know what it is, but they can troll and it can be another crappy daedric weapon

My guess is that it will be either a daedric or a dwemer thing of some sort.

Probably overpowered, since they want to sell more copies of the chapter. That's what Games Workshop always used to do - make new thing overpowered, sell more new thing.

Curious_Death · January 2020

Mashille wrote: »

We're getting AN ENTIRE SIEGE WEAPON!!!

Yeah, PvE is getting a new Trial, 4 new dungeons and 40+ hours of new overland content again this year, just like it has gotten every year for the past 4 years. (I mean Morrowind, Summerset, Eleswyr and now Dark Heart. It's all the same content just reskinned with new locations and characters.)

But WOW! ONE SIEGE WEAPON!

Thanks Zenimax, this is what the PvP community has been asking for!!

oh PVE fan boys hate flows... I agree with OP ^^^ ... all we needed is new siege?! not removing stupid deadric tool... not balancing night/day cappers... not balancing buffs in pvp that clearly helps winning side truly dominate WHOLE map...
we needed a *** siege! i hope they add players catapult also... so we will jump into siege without taking MG... just like hammer allows to...

BUT WAIT? who asked PVE'ers to speak in PVP thread? gtfo toxic snails

however what u can expect from devs that focus on new NON-COMBAT pets unlike balancing COMBAT PETS or even F*ING CLASS SKILLS...

Ravena · January 2020

It's PvP players' own fault for being toxic and not welcoming to new/casual players that this mode gets the shaft. Reap your own seeds haha

SirAxen · January 2020

You have open world pvp, battleground pvp and pve/pve in IC. So, you literally have all three forms of good pvp in the game already. New maps and and game mods will come to BG's. Oh, and dueling, almost forgot. PVP is killing each other, there are already tons of ways to do that in-game. So, yea, I'd like new story first.

Saltisol · January 2020

You are all so smart and got all the clever answers telling that the pvp community is toxic, get what we deserve etc. But stop for a second tell me about the pve communitys behaviour in this thread. It is very far from being friendly.

Heimpai · January 2020

Saltisol wrote: »

You are all so smart and got all the clever answers telling that the pvp community is toxic, get what we deserve etc. But stop for a second tell me about the pve communitys behaviour in this thread. It is very far from being friendly.

I went to pvp because of the toxicity in pve, I find their statements amusing

Curious_Death · January 2020

Saltisol wrote: »

You are all so smart and got all the clever answers telling that the pvp community is toxic, get what we deserve etc. But stop for a second tell me about the pve communitys behaviour in this thread. It is very far from being friendly.

ofc... PVE hates PVP and PVP hates PVE... why?

COZ WE ASKED FOR YEARS to SEPARATE PVP from PVE... but devs did ***... so that's the effect... no1 to blame... so players blame each other... and thats why we flood in toxic speech.

Saltisol · January 2020

Curious_Death wrote: »

Saltisol wrote: »

You are all so smart and got all the clever answers telling that the pvp community is toxic, get what we deserve etc. But stop for a second tell me about the pve communitys behaviour in this thread. It is very far from being friendly.

ofc... PVE hates PVP and PVP hates PVE... why?

COZ WE ASKED FOR YEARS to SEPARATE PVP from PVE... but devs did ***... so that's the effect... no1 to blame... so players blame each other... and thats why we flood in toxic speech.

I do both and I dare to say that I'm not the only one that enjoys both pvp and pve so I'm glad that they are adding to pve but I do think they should provide for pvp as well. A few new or reworked arenas for BG isn't to much to ask for.

Curious_Death · January 2020

Saltisol wrote: »

Curious_Death wrote: »

Saltisol wrote: »

You are all so smart and got all the clever answers telling that the pvp community is toxic, get what we deserve etc. But stop for a second tell me about the pve communitys behaviour in this thread. It is very far from being friendly.

ofc... PVE hates PVP and PVP hates PVE... why?

COZ WE ASKED FOR YEARS to SEPARATE PVP from PVE... but devs did ***... so that's the effect... no1 to blame... so players blame each other... and thats why we flood in toxic speech.

I do both and I dare to say that I'm not the only one that enjoys both pvp and pve so I'm glad that they are adding to pve but I do think they should provide for pvp as well. A few new or reworked arenas for BG isn't to much to ask for.

yes! but... there's no profit for them, reworking something that already exist (sold).

alanmatillab16_ESO · January 2020

Mashille wrote: »

We're getting AN ENTIRE SIEGE WEAPON!!!

Yeah, PvE is getting a new Trial, 4 new dungeons and 40+ hours of new overland content again this year, just like it has gotten every year for the past 4 years. (I mean Morrowind, Summerset, Eleswyr and now Dark Heart. It's all the same content just reskinned with new locations and characters.)

But WOW! ONE SIEGE WEAPON!

Thanks Zenimax, this is what the PvP community has been asking for!!

Considering PvP is a side activity and irrelevant to the story and does not advance it in any way what did you expect?

Curious_Death · January 2020

@alanmatillab16_ESO PVP as side activity? looks like u re maybe in half way that most of good pvpers are...

PVP is the only end game content in EVERY MMO... what u will do when u get tons of gold? tons of best items? u will go and help beginners? u will stay in the middle of craglorn and thinks how good u re? ofc u will make good pvp gear and try urself in fighting with other human being... its the ultimate and non-predictible content of EVERY game!

also... ONLY other player can give u unconventional level of difficulty... that's why we re nr1 on earth we live to prove to ourself we can do better and better... and we love challenges... and nothing is more challenging than other end game player.

i know i copy paste my another post.. .but ppl who think pvp is side ... they are low "side" of players that are scared to see how bad they re versus another human being... thats my opinion

amen

irstarkey57 · January 2020

Mashille wrote: »

We're getting AN ENTIRE SIEGE WEAPON!!!

Yeah, PvE is getting a new Trial, 4 new dungeons and 40+ hours of new overland content again this year, just like it has gotten every year for the past 4 years. (I mean Morrowind, Summerset, Eleswyr and now Dark Heart. It's all the same content just reskinned with new locations and characters.)

But WOW! ONE SIEGE WEAPON!

Thanks Zenimax, this is what the PvP community has been asking for!!

Couldn’t agree more

irstarkey57 · January 2020

JJBoomer wrote: »

this game is literally 90% PVE and you think its an injustice that thats what makes up most of the new content? I mean, you're just setting yourself up for disappointment my dudes. ESO has never been focused on PvP. Thats not what the game is about. If anything its an extra. A big giant addon to the rest of the game.

Sorry if thats not what you want to hear. But thats the reality. Your acting as if this is a PvP focused game. its not. Just because that might be some people's main interest in the game, doesn't change that this is a PvE mmo with pvp thrown in because mmo's have to have it pretty much.

I think you are making the op’s point. I don’t think it’s out of the question to ask for some content considering it had never been a main focus in eso. PvP needs some love. Badly.

Cirantille · January 2020

Heimpai wrote: »

Saltisol wrote: »

You are all so smart and got all the clever answers telling that the pvp community is toxic, get what we deserve etc. But stop for a second tell me about the pve communitys behaviour in this thread. It is very far from being friendly.

I went to pvp because of the toxicity in pve, I find their statements amusing

PvP was way more welcoming to me too.

At least you don't get kicked because you are not a Templar healer or a DK tank. Lul.

People dont say at the end of the raid things like "Omg I hit 87.3 k instead of 87.2 lul you hit 87.1"

If the enemy player dies before you, you are in the good.

Also you don't need to memorize "mechanics" or have to wear Olorime to please people

Much much more flexibility.

Their idea of toxicity is to "kill another player, so horrible!"

Now I leave all my chars next to the stable in Cyrodiil

TUHD86 · January 2020

Casterial wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Strider__Roshin wrote: »

JJBoomer wrote: »

this game is literally 90% PVE and you think its an injustice that thats what makes up most of the new content? I mean, you're just setting yourself up for disappointment my dudes. ESO has never been focused on PvP. Thats not what the game is about. If anything its an extra. A big giant addon to the rest of the game.

Sorry if thats not what you want to hear. But thats the reality. Your acting as if this is a PvP focused game. its not. Just because that might be some people's main interest in the game, doesn't change that this is a PvE mmo with pvp thrown in because mmo's have to have it pretty much.

Incorrect.

It has always been focused on PvE. Look at the difference in PvE content versus PvP since day one.

For some reason, some PvP players listened to a video where PvP was listed as one of 3 end game activities and they concluded that PvP is the endgame. People hear what they want to hear.

PvP was the only end game for a long time. For about ~2years actually. Most players came in around 2016/17, that wasn't the start of the game.

That's so much ***, I can only laugh about it. PvP was NEVER the endgame. Sure, it was an entertaining aspect of it, but the amount of PvP players always has been a relative small part compared to the total amount of players. Even at its height, the amount of total players during prime time was at best 1000 at a given server for PvP. Even with multiple servers/shards , it never even breached 10% of the active max-level players.

Seraphayel · January 2020

TUHD86 wrote: »

Casterial wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Strider__Roshin wrote: »

JJBoomer wrote: »

this game is literally 90% PVE and you think its an injustice that thats what makes up most of the new content? I mean, you're just setting yourself up for disappointment my dudes. ESO has never been focused on PvP. Thats not what the game is about. If anything its an extra. A big giant addon to the rest of the game.

Sorry if thats not what you want to hear. But thats the reality. Your acting as if this is a PvP focused game. its not. Just because that might be some people's main interest in the game, doesn't change that this is a PvE mmo with pvp thrown in because mmo's have to have it pretty much.

Incorrect.

It has always been focused on PvE. Look at the difference in PvE content versus PvP since day one.

For some reason, some PvP players listened to a video where PvP was listed as one of 3 end game activities and they concluded that PvP is the endgame. People hear what they want to hear.

PvP was the only end game for a long time. For about ~2years actually. Most players came in around 2016/17, that wasn't the start of the game.

That's so much ***, I can only laugh about it. PvP was NEVER the endgame. Sure, it was an entertaining aspect of it, but the amount of PvP players always has been a relative small part compared to the total amount of players. Even at its height, the amount of total players during prime time was at best 1000 at a given server for PvP. Even with multiple servers/shards , it never even breached 10% of the active max-level players.

This game didn’t have endgame besides Cyrodiil for quite some time after launch.

And it was always advertised as the biggest PvPvE / RvRvR game in history at its release.

Trials? PvE endgame? Wasn’t existing and was just added later.

Tommy_The_Gun · January 2020

I am not into vampires, and I quieted PvP long time ago. So the new content is a kinda... "meh ?" for me. Also Skyrim is.. well lets just say that it is not a "Nostalgic" game for me. Morrowind was.

Comparing to what we got last year - the Necromancer class (I am not into necromancy either), this time we will get something new - a skill line that every one can use.

So I guess if I were to compare Elsweyr to Greymoor it will be probably like comparing two old crappy cars (Elsweyr = red car ; Greymoor = blue car) .
You don't like them, they are both ugly, but at least the blue car has radio installed. But both cars, red & blue are ugly...
(I know, it is too early to make such assumptions, we know very little about Greymoor, but we know that we will at least get a skill line for every one to use. Not something exclusive that either only new class or vampire can use).

Firstmep · January 2020

They dont need to introduce new PVP modes, just focus on the ones we already have and make them, well playable.

Performance fixes are coming apparently but the game needs a lot more than just that.

The BG queue system is a joke still, some game modes are massively redundant etc.

Dont even get me started on Cyro.

And dueling? Years after the feature was implemented still no proper dueling arenas.

Casul · January 2020

With how successful this MMO is there is no excuse they can't hire more developers and push out content for both areas of the game. PvP or PvE, we should both be agreeing that conditions are unacceptable from an MMO that ranks 1-3 on most lists (typically 1-2)

Seraphayel · January 2020

The new skill line is not for combat, they explicitly stated that.

rumple9 · January 2020

The new non-stackable seige weapon is just another bag filler to get you to subscribe

Saltisol · January 2020

Curious_Death wrote: »

Saltisol wrote: »

Curious_Death wrote: »

Saltisol wrote: »

You are all so smart and got all the clever answers telling that the pvp community is toxic, get what we deserve etc. But stop for a second tell me about the pve communitys behaviour in this thread. It is very far from being friendly.

ofc... PVE hates PVP and PVP hates PVE... why?

COZ WE ASKED FOR YEARS to SEPARATE PVP from PVE... but devs did ***... so that's the effect... no1 to blame... so players blame each other... and thats why we flood in toxic speech.

I do both and I dare to say that I'm not the only one that enjoys both pvp and pve so I'm glad that they are adding to pve but I do think they should provide for pvp as well. A few new or reworked arenas for BG isn't to much to ask for.

yes! but... there's no profit for them, reworking something that already exist (sold).

In truth you don't know this, my guess is that you are just assuming and coming to suitable conclusions.

ATomiX69 · January 2020

BuildMan wrote: »

With how successful this MMO is there is no excuse they can't hire more developers and push out content for both areas of the game. PvP or PvE, we should both be agreeing that conditions are unacceptable from an MMO that ranks 1-3 on most lists (typically 1-2)

Ranks 1-3 on what list? on the list of incompetent devs and uncreative design teams?
OSRS, WoW Classic and Retail seperately and FFXIV are all bigger than ESO is atm.
And ESO literally just lives off whales who invest hundreds and thousands of dollars for cosmetics and crown crates each month.
Maybe top 5? But definitly not top 1-3, sry to burst your bubble.

LukosCreyden · January 2020

I'm not sure why people are complaining about PvP mains being disappointed. PvP has always been a big part of the game and was one of the main focuses when the base game was being marketed.
I get that PvP has fallen by the wayside in recent years, but it still has its loyal players and they deserve nice things just as much as PvE/RP/Solo/Group/Harcore/Casual players.

Faulgor · January 2020

The reason why I stopped playing PvP/Cyrodiil is not performance or balance issues, but because there's absolutely no point to it. There's nothing to be gained. How much more AP are we supposed to rack up when there's nothing to use them for? What's the point of taking a keep when it's flipped again right after? Where is any of this going?

In the initial design, your campaign performance in Cyrodiil granted buffs to your alliance in PvE. It wasn't much, but it was something, and it was replaced with uck all.

ZOS is abyssmal in creating engaging gameplay modes. If you're not interested in either of these two things, they have nothing for you:
- Group PvE for 4 or 12 people
- Casual questing

That's it, that's all they've been developing for ~4 years now. New dungeons, new zone, see you next year.

Juhasow · January 2020

BuildMan wrote: »

With how successful this MMO is there is no excuse they can't hire more developers and push out content for both areas of the game. PvP or PvE, we should both be agreeing that conditions are unacceptable from an MMO that ranks 1-3 on most lists (typically 1-2)

Problem is it's not PvP that is succesfull. PvP actually is Achilles heal of ESO when it comes to popularity and ZoS is fully aware of that and dont give much of attention to PvP.

BaiterOfZergs · January 2020

The whole pve vs pvp attitude needs to go. There should be content being made for both, it’s that simple. No one should be complaining because pvp players want content the same way no one should complain because a pve player wants content.

Casul · January 2020

ATomiX69 wrote: »

BuildMan wrote: »

With how successful this MMO is there is no excuse they can't hire more developers and push out content for both areas of the game. PvP or PvE, we should both be agreeing that conditions are unacceptable from an MMO that ranks 1-3 on most lists (typically 1-2)

Ranks 1-3 on what list? on the list of incompetent devs and uncreative design teams?
OSRS, WoW Classic and Retail seperately and FFXIV are all bigger than ESO is atm.
And ESO literally just lives off whales who invest hundreds and thousands of dollars for cosmetics and crown crates each month.
Maybe top 5? But definitly not top 1-3, sry to burst your bubble.

#3
https://www.gamespace.com/featured/10-best-mmorpgs-to-play-in-2019/

#5
https://www.gamesradar.com/best-mmorpg/3/

#3
https://massivelyop.com/2018/12/19/perfect-ten-the-mmos-with-the-best-value-going-into-2019/

#6
https://www.techradar.com/news/the-best-mmos

#5
https://www.vg247.com/2019/01/15/best-mmo-free-pc-ps4-xbox-one/

#1
https://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/best-mmorpgs-available-right-now/

#2
https://www.b4gamez.com/best-mmo-and-mmorpgs/

#2
https://www.redbull.com/ie-en/best-mmo-games

Mean was 3.375 so slightly higher then my estimation. Generally scores lower on PC compared to consoles (likely due to the saturation of the market on PC). Regardless scoring >5 with how many are on the market suggests to me a successful MMO. And thus in my opinion solidifies my claim that the company is successful enough to provide constant/consistent content for everyone.

Shaloknir · January 2020

PVP is the true endgame! Nothing in this game has the same excitement. Veteran dungeons and trials come close, but dont quite achieve the feeling. I hope they make more content and come up with new rewards for pvp activities in the future.