What is up with noob bullying?

Recent · January 2020

ArchMikem wrote: »

You should've blurred every gamertag. Mods might pay your post a visit now.

But to shed some insight on why "vets" get like this, especially during an event that creates a desire to farm. Mobs respawn on timers, and when there's a high demand on farming them, players will create a mob pull rotation and everyone will group up and run the rotation together, so as to maximize efficiency in loot drops and xp gained. If a group is running the rotation and then some randoms run up and fight adds ahead of them, that's now thrown the respawn timers out of whack and interrupted the group's efficiency, thus wasting time.

I know low level players aren't expected to know this which is why I personally don't give them crap about it. (I rarely farm to begin with), but just wanted to let you know why level capped players act out like this.

Even if low level players did know about this it's no excuse for any group of players to own a space unless it's their own house they paid for. I remember a time i was fishing with a friend and some dude got abusive cos he was trying to fish perfect roe while we were trying to do our fishing achievement. Pfft 😂

Ryath_Waylander · January 2020

With regard to the nastiness to noobs with farming, that used to intimidate me when I was also a noob. It's unacceptable but I have a thicker skin now and just press ignore and continue doing what I'm doing. Until they can show me proof that they personally have bought at least 10000 copies of the game, they can put that sense of entitlement where the sun doesn't shine.

I am however fascinated to learn there is a rotation timer to farming mobs. I've never bothered with this because questing levels my toons fast enough and gives me skill points too so I don't end up with a level 50 toon and no passives.

What do you get out of this farming rotation besides XP? Or is that all you're farming?

ZonasArch · January 2020

Ryath_Waylander wrote: »

With regard to the nastiness to noobs with farming, that used to intimidate me when I was also a noob. It's unacceptable but I have a thicker skin now and just press ignore and continue doing what I'm doing. Until they can show me proof that they personally have bought at least 10000 copies of the game, they can put that sense of entitlement where the sun doesn't shine.

I am however fascinated to learn there is a rotation timer to farming mobs. I've never bothered with this because questing levels my toons fast enough and gives me skill points too so I don't end up with a level 50 toon and no passives.

What do you get out of this farming rotation besides XP? Or is that all you're farming?

Trash loot that amounts to not too much but better than zero? Dunno. It's just easy fast exp.

DLM · January 2020

zaria wrote: »

SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »

Bullying isn't limited to noobs.

I had a guy get pissy at me and a friend for fishing in the same hole as him and his friend.

Eventually we deduced this was because of a glitch with the fishing food and the number of people at the fishing spot, but he never explained it and was only insulting. Once we pieced it together we followed them anyway for being a knob.

While Khajiit and Argonians fish together in harmony

Oh, slave solidarity. This is cute!

ChunkyCat · January 2020

UrQuan wrote: »

ChunkyCat wrote: »

Out of the way, PECK!

jlmurra2 · January 2020

Spellscar is a public area, "stealing kills" there is not a possibility, and only causes frustration to players who believe the mobs belong to them.

gatekeeper13 · January 2020

I ve never been bullied in Craglorn but met a lot of toxic trash in Spellscar that start yelling "go farm somewhere else noob" or "gtfo of here" etc etc as if the Spellscar area belongs to them or something.

I immediately put them in ignore list and continue farming.

JanTanhide · January 2020

Put them on your Ignore list and play the game as you wish. If players want to be uninterrupted farming XP then they should go to a group instance area. Public areas are open to all players.

Isteris · January 2020

So at CP 1200 I still believe you should play how and where you like, I'm no better or more entitled than a level two player. OK sometimes I think maybe you need to progress a bit before you tackle this but its not for me to say dying a lot for little reward is not the way to go.
In terms of entitled a..holes just ignore them , what can they do ? And if their behaviour becomes too outrageous screen shot and report them to ZOS, its your game as much as anyone's , whatever play style floats your boat is the way to have fun. Have fun but don't deliberately p..s on someone else's parade just live and let live would be my advice.

MajBludd · January 2020

Bullying is a good thing. It teaches ppl how to react to negativity and how to deal with adversity. Not everyone is going to be nice to you regardless of how many rules you put into place.
[removed for inappropriate comment] and go about your business. If they continue to harass you, report them, and go about your business.

MajBludd · January 2020

@UrQuan I always hear, "out of the way, prick" during that scene.

Eldartar · January 2020

Bullying of ANY kind is NOT right, NOT justified, NOT cool AND against the rules.

ZonasArch · January 2020

MajBludd wrote: »

Bullying is a good thing. It teaches ppl how to react to negativity and how to deal with adversity. Not everyone is going to be nice to you regardless of how many rules you put into place.
[removed for inappropriate comment] and go about your business. If they continue to harass you, report them, and go about your business.

Coming from someone that was probably never bullied...

If you were, you'd know the difference between "negativity" and "adversity" and "not being nice", and actual bullying.

There's a jump there, in the degree at which someone is harassing you... And that jump is when "not being nice" becomes "being mean". There's a difference.

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MajBludd · January 2020

@ZonasArch bullied, very much so. I had a neighborhood full of teenagers that just loved to beat up younger kids.

What I learned, not to put up with that junk instead of looking for somebody to save me.

Learn to overcome the idiots out there, you are only a victim because you choose to put up with that crap.

ZonasArch · January 2020

MajBludd wrote: »

@ZonasArch bullied, very much so. I had a neighborhood full of teenagers that just loved to beat up younger kids.

What I learned, not to put up with that junk instead of looking for somebody to save me.

Learn to overcome the idiots out there, you are only a victim because you choose to put up with that crap.

Sorry for misjudging. Also, I agree with learning to not take it, that's how I dealt with the kids that tried bullying me once or twice.

My point remains though... There's a big jump between being unpleasant or disagreeable, and being a bully.

You can't say bullying is a good thing just because some people deal with it and move on. Some people don't and they are sometimes traumatized into suicide for it. Or become even worse bullies themselves too...

And overcoming bullying isn't the only way to learn how to deal with less than friendly people.

DaveMoeDee · January 2020

Skwor wrote: »

Sticks and stones can break my bones but names will never hurt me.

We really need to bring that philosophy back.

Yes bullying is wrong but after 6000 years of human development that is not going to change, nor the best way to deal with it which is to ignore it when possible or punch the bully in the nose if absolutely necessary (ignoring it is still the best option though).

Turns out that thinking you are bullied is more harmful than just saying "these people are being jerks to me." I am glad that we are more on top of rooting out such behaviors, but we need to take a step back from labeling people "bullied." We need to be careful about promoting a view of oneself as a passive victim with no agency who is in a particular powerless state. It is fine to point out bullies, but we should be careful about encouraging people to view themselves as "bullied."

DaveMoeDee · January 2020

There are a lot of idiots in the world. There are people who recognize that if they are unpleasant enough, they may be able to get their way. If they harass you enough, you might eventually decide you don't want to put up with it and you might leave, allowing them to do what they want. If these people are socially/emotionally stunted, they feel no shame over such behavior.

I never have an issue with such people because I almost never read chat. I also would care if they were rude. I would just laugh at them while reading their whispers. How can you not just laugh at someone who gets that riled up over grinding XP on alts?

MajBludd · January 2020

@ZonasArch I agree to a point. The suicide thing is wrong, but no matter how many laws you put in place you wont stop it, bullying.
When you do you end up over protecting ppl to the point they cant deal with any negativity in real life.

Kids need a dose of reality to teach them that not everywhere is safe like their home should be.

The_Lex · January 2020

When that happened to me, I was actually questing in Rkindaleft during the vet rank days. Because the guy was such a jerk from the start, I made it a point to mess up his grind rotation. I'd take out two mob spawns and then sit in the emote chair. When he came back around, I'd kill the spawn just before he could get there. He eventually ran away. Good times.

svartorn · January 2020

Been here since beta, I would never bully a noob.

Can't even count the number of times I've crafted full purple sets, fully enchanted for new players who didn't understand sets and then shown them some practice rotations.

~~be the change you want to see in the world~~

DaveMoeDee · January 2020

MajBludd wrote: »

@ZonasArch I agree to a point. The suicide thing is wrong, but no matter how many laws you put in place you wont stop it, bullying.
When you do you end up over protecting ppl to the point they cant deal with any negativity in real life.

Kids need a dose of reality to teach them that not everywhere is safe like their home should be.

It is a difficult problem. Even when society didn't try so hard to stop bullying, there were marginalized kids who were harmed greatly long-term due to bullying. Helping those kids while also generally building resiliency is a difficult problem.

It reminds me of the saying, "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger." Well, what about those killed? If you became stronger by overcoming X, but someone else died from X, would it have been better to decrease X to save that life when the side effect is you not being as strong? This example has a ratio of 1:1 made stronger versus killed. Is there a ratio that is the cutoff for when X should or should not be allowed?

Sadly, most people would rather talk about this in a black and white manner.

Huphia · January 2020

It's not just noobs that get bullied here actually. One of my friends is a CP810 who created new character to level up during the exp event. So he went to spellscar to farm exp. And guess what, some of these elite players are rude to him telling him to get out, lol. So, basically bullies will be bullies no matter where they are, haha.

redlink1979 · January 2020

svartorn wrote: »

~~be the change you want to see in the world~~

@svartorn All said.

MEBengalsFan2001 · January 2020

Minitay wrote: »

I heard from friends that it has been a subject lately, that groups of players bully low level characters for farming in Craglorn.
Didn't really think of it much until a friend got me some live screenshots.

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Do you guys really think that much of Craglorn farming?
Like, is your opinion about atronachs so strong, that you bully low level characters?
The player in question wasn't even a noob. They were a champion trying to level up their healer.
Just saying, some players out there really need to get a grip.

And if you are farming in Craglorn... well, watch out for these guys, I guess.

Edit for naming and shaming.

I've seen the same in Deshan public dungeon for Mother Sorrow gear farming. It is a shame that players have to stoop to such a level in a game. It is a game after all.

DaveMoeDee · January 2020

Huphia wrote: »

It's not just noobs that get bullied here actually. One of my friends is a CP810 who created new character to level up during the exp event. So he went to spellscar to farm exp. And guess what, some of these elite players are rude to him telling him to get out, lol. So, basically bullies will be bullies no matter where they are, haha.

Fortunately, I can't be bullied by them because they have no power over me since we are in a video game wandering around Craglorn. I suppose they could stalk me. They can harass me. But bullying me would require me to be intimidated or to feel I need to change my behavior due to their attempts to intimidate. So they can TRY to bully me, but they can't bully me. Just the fact that I can block them makes them pretty powerless in-game.

Or have me changed the definition of bullying to include all rude behavior toward us? Are we now calling things bullying that don't involve any sort of power imbalance?

Most_Awesome · January 2020

LOL This thread made me laugh, Ive on multiple times been sent hate whispers for killing a mob people were farming, so what do I do.....YES YOU GUESSED IT I proceed to destroy the farming area until they leave.

NO ONE BULLIES ME I'M A BIG BOY!

DaveMoeDee · January 2020

Most_Awesome wrote: »

LOL This thread made me laugh, Ive on multiple times been sent hate whispers for killing a mob people were farming, so what do I do.....YES YOU GUESSED IT I proceed to destroy the farming area until they leave.

NO ONE BULLIES ME I'M A BIG BOY!

Personally, I feel like making their harassment work against them is a good thing. I am unlikely to disrupt my gameplay to do that. Heck, I probably won't even notice their whispers.

TheGreatBlackBear · January 2020

The fact of the matter is, you have an ignore button. You can turn off chat hud. You can appear offline. You have so many methods of dealing with undesirable communications. You are not forced to endure this. So please come on to the forums don't make yourself into a martyr.

Heelie · January 2020

Don't try and leech xp from people farming in Craglorn, ESO's system works that if two people tag mobs they both get more xp, but as soon as a 3rd person does it it drops by a lot. So by tagging you're wasting your own plus their time. Now if a new player comes by and tag a couple of mobs, who cares. But there are these no lofe leechers in spell scar hoping to leech xp from farmers. These people are honestly they worst. I always craft stealth pots when going there to deal with these people and let them tank an entire pull alone. Some people go out of their way of course. I myself once said a few things to a leecher that I regret. But I can honestly understand the reaction. Noone is gaining from a leecher. It's pure sabotage.

ZonasArch · January 2020

Heelie wrote: »

Don't try and leech xp from people farming in Craglorn, ESO's system works that if two people tag mobs they both get more xp, but as soon as a 3rd person does it it drops by a lot. So by tagging you're wasting your own plus their time. Now if a new player comes by and tag a couple of mobs, who cares. But there are these no lofe leechers in spell scar hoping to leech xp from farmers. These people are honestly they worst. I always craft stealth pots when going there to deal with these people and let them tank an entire pull alone. Some people go out of their way of course. I myself once said a few things to a leecher that I regret. But I can honestly understand the reaction. Noone is gaining from a leecher. It's pure sabotage.

I promise you most people are not leeching, just pushing by, and toxic players aggro at them. That's how it always happens to me. And because toxic people aggro out of nowhere like babies, I theeeen start to leech because I'm max CP and I don't care about exp. Only do it to *** toxic people off.

And liek you said so yourself... You've said some bad stuff.

Why? What led you to it? That is a public open zone and you have absolutely NO claim over anything there... Like I said before: if you want the experience just for yourself and your buddy, go to skyreach or whatever. Spellscar is public... That simple.