BNOC wrote: »

Bucky_13 wrote: »

Revokus wrote: »

Easy for you to say when you have a full group with healers following you 24/7. No-CP is absolutely terrible for solo player/2man and not everyone wants to be in a zerg to be successful.

No it isn't. I play mostly during prime time on EU, and often solo or with 1/2 other players. There is small scale there if you know where to look, and it can be pretty damn fun. When you want to, you can avoid the zergs & ball groups. Or delay an attack on a keep until reinforcements arrive. And there's some tower warriors who like to 1/2vs x and can do quite well, especially against pugs.

The guy you quoted summarised why bad players don't want this.

He can't play solo or 2 man with no CP, against other players, who also have no CP; The choices you have to make are too difficult for these people and that's why there's always fight back on this topic, because the majority are secretly incapable and scared of adjusting as to not be carried 24/7

Whatever you say it’s no secret there is absolutely no No-CP 1vX builds on youtube. Maybe if it was a thing I would believe you. In No-CP you’re carried by your group and you think the 1vX crowd in CP are carried ?? LOL I'm sure you won't be able to perform well either in No-CP against 8 potatoes spamming light attacks and proc sets/poisons. At least in CP you can fight back against this abuse.

People asking CP to be removed just want to continue having complete power over solo and small man in No-CP. This is because they cannot kill anything on their own they need a group.

cyclonus11 wrote: »

All PVP should be level 10! And no set bonuses!

Death by boredom...an interesting concept but no thank you.

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

Revokus wrote: »

BNOC wrote: »

Bucky_13 wrote: »

Revokus wrote: »

Easy for you to say when you have a full group with healers following you 24/7. No-CP is absolutely terrible for solo player/2man and not everyone wants to be in a zerg to be successful.

No it isn't. I play mostly during prime time on EU, and often solo or with 1/2 other players. There is small scale there if you know where to look, and it can be pretty damn fun. When you want to, you can avoid the zergs & ball groups. Or delay an attack on a keep until reinforcements arrive. And there's some tower warriors who like to 1/2vs x and can do quite well, especially against pugs.

The guy you quoted summarised why bad players don't want this.

He can't play solo or 2 man with no CP, against other players, who also have no CP; The choices you have to make are too difficult for these people and that's why there's always fight back on this topic, because the majority are secretly incapable and scared of adjusting as to not be carried 24/7

Whatever you say it’s no secret there is absolutely no No-CP 1vX builds on youtube. Maybe if it was a thing I would believe you. In No-CP you’re carried by your group and you think the 1vX crowd in CP are carried ?? LOL I'm sure you won't be able to perform well either in No-CP against 8 potatoes spamming light attacks and proc sets/poisons. At least in CP you can fight back against this abuse.

People asking CP to be removed just want to continue having complete power over solo and small man in No-CP. This is because they cannot kill anything on their own they need a group.

False all totally false lol. It is more than possible to 1vX 2vX or low man group vs a large group in no cp. I used to run in a very small group usually between 1 and 4 people and we used to be able to accomplish a lot. You can build super tanky and be a healer/kill people if you know how to actually play the game. (This taking skill because you are missing a lot of stats from crutch points).

You might not see many non cp builds on YouTube but there have been very experienced players here saying no cp is the most skillful pvp mode (including fengrush lol).

Just because you are not good enough to 1vX in no cp doesn't mean it can't be done.

Cp adds too much easy mode to the game (even in over when this game first launched there was no ditching the healer or tank for bonus damage but yet here we are today sometimes 4 dps vet content....... Not really hard to see cp is the actual issue)

And to top it off if you have 300 people inside cyrodil in CP the game data needs to keep checking everyone's cp hence stressing the server hence making it more laggy because it has to check everyone every second to see if a proc happened. What's your % of this stat compared to everyone else's % of their stats..... That is also creating the lag in pve content as well. Now you wonder why non cp isn't nearly as laggy? It has so much less stress on a server........ I didn't think I had to spell it out to people but guess we did in fact have to let you know how cp is breaking their spaghetti code even further lol.

You lost me at the Fengrush part he runs with an army every time he is on. I respect him because I know he’s a good player since long before he started doing No-CP. Not everyone has as many friends as him.

You know..me and my friend are used to kill 8-10 people sometimes more that run after us. In no-cp this is not possible because damage is a lot higher light attacks too less ressource/poisons.

People saying it takes more skill in no-cp sure I guess when you choose to gimp yourself even more with lesser odds of winning against a zerg. Is it skill or masochist who knows..

As for lag the’ve already made multiple tests. Cyrodiil is just as laggy without CP. There is just less people in No-CP like multiple people already said here.

I was there when they turned off CP in CP campaign couple years ago performance was just as bad.

Revokus wrote: »

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

Revokus wrote: »

BNOC wrote: »

Bucky_13 wrote: »

Revokus wrote: »

Easy for you to say when you have a full group with healers following you 24/7. No-CP is absolutely terrible for solo player/2man and not everyone wants to be in a zerg to be successful.

No it isn't. I play mostly during prime time on EU, and often solo or with 1/2 other players. There is small scale there if you know where to look, and it can be pretty damn fun. When you want to, you can avoid the zergs & ball groups. Or delay an attack on a keep until reinforcements arrive. And there's some tower warriors who like to 1/2vs x and can do quite well, especially against pugs.

The guy you quoted summarised why bad players don't want this.

He can't play solo or 2 man with no CP, against other players, who also have no CP; The choices you have to make are too difficult for these people and that's why there's always fight back on this topic, because the majority are secretly incapable and scared of adjusting as to not be carried 24/7

Whatever you say it’s no secret there is absolutely no No-CP 1vX builds on youtube. Maybe if it was a thing I would believe you. In No-CP you’re carried by your group and you think the 1vX crowd in CP are carried ?? LOL I'm sure you won't be able to perform well either in No-CP against 8 potatoes spamming light attacks and proc sets/poisons. At least in CP you can fight back against this abuse.

People asking CP to be removed just want to continue having complete power over solo and small man in No-CP. This is because they cannot kill anything on their own they need a group.

False all totally false lol. It is more than possible to 1vX 2vX or low man group vs a large group in no cp. I used to run in a very small group usually between 1 and 4 people and we used to be able to accomplish a lot. You can build super tanky and be a healer/kill people if you know how to actually play the game. (This taking skill because you are missing a lot of stats from crutch points).

You might not see many non cp builds on YouTube but there have been very experienced players here saying no cp is the most skillful pvp mode (including fengrush lol).

Just because you are not good enough to 1vX in no cp doesn't mean it can't be done.

Cp adds too much easy mode to the game (even in over when this game first launched there was no ditching the healer or tank for bonus damage but yet here we are today sometimes 4 dps vet content....... Not really hard to see cp is the actual issue)

And to top it off if you have 300 people inside cyrodil in CP the game data needs to keep checking everyone's cp hence stressing the server hence making it more laggy because it has to check everyone every second to see if a proc happened. What's your % of this stat compared to everyone else's % of their stats..... That is also creating the lag in pve content as well. Now you wonder why non cp isn't nearly as laggy? It has so much less stress on a server........ I didn't think I had to spell it out to people but guess we did in fact have to let you know how cp is breaking their spaghetti code even further lol.

You lost me at the Fengrush part he runs with an army every time he is on. I respect him because I know he’s a good player since long before he started doing No-CP. Not everyone has as many friends as him.

You know..me and my friend are used to kill 8-10 people sometimes more that run after us. In no-cp this is not possible because damage is a lot higher light attacks too less ressource/poisons.

People saying it takes more skill in no-cp sure I guess when you choose to gimp yourself even more with lesser odds of winning against a zerg. Is it skill or masochist who knows..

As for lag the’ve already made multiple tests. Cyrodiil is just as laggy without CP. There is just less people in No-CP like multiple people already said here.

I was there when they turned off CP in CP campaign couple years ago performance was just as bad.

Bro I play on PS4 na in the no cp campaign it is mostly red and yellow. Me my wife and 1-2 friends could take on a lot of them at once. It is all on how you build yourself and how you do combat much like how cp is. The damage is a bit lower but good players still get crazy amounts of kills (just look at battlegrounds for exact kill ratios and damage lol. There are a few people that go 20+ without dying and almost 1 mil damage but yet you say damage is so low? Lol)

We used to fight for emporership (me and my wife got our emp runs even tho we were constantly being attacked by multiple people and had an emporer chasing us around the map). The difference is we can't build all raw dps sets and then get more tanky threw cp and get recovery from it..... Most good no cp pvpers run 1 sustain set 1 damage set and 1 defensive set. Crutch points eliminate the need to decide if you want to be tanky glass cannon or built to Outlast. It makes zero sense that people think cp doesn't make the game easier so people need less skill.

And you can say what you want about that lag not being from cp lol. The reason I played no cp was because I was tired of casting a move waiting 10 seconds for it to work then repeat if I'm not dead. Yet I can have a huge 3 way war defending an emporership and my frame rate barely goes down....... I'm telling you it affects it terribly (even just standing in a populated town is causing disconnects and you mean to tell me that the game having to check 3000+ people's cp in that zone isn't causing a lot of lag?)

SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »

OP is right. Making all PvP non-CP would solve sooo many problems.

Or make the majority of the PvP population quit the game. Because as we can see CP is clearly the more popular campaign.

DRTE wrote: »

The_Old_Goat wrote: »

You shouldn't try to limit pvp play for other people. If you don't enjoy the cp pvp, simply don't play it.

CP is a crutch for far too many players. I enjoy both but no cp is more balanced its about sets and skills not buffing yourself with a bunch of passives and extra stats. Things actually die and don't get carried by CP its the way PvP should be and the way it was before they brought in CP.

By your logic Class skills are a crutch. And weapon skills are a crutch. And Passives are a crutch.

If it is part of the game.... it IS PART OF THE GAME

Deal with it

IMHO

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

jcm2606 wrote: »

Heimpai wrote: »

No cp is dead, so I believe that a lot of players prefer there cp that they earned and can make builds the way they like

Non-CP is dead because the game's population can't support two active campaigns at the same time. Earlier this year, and especially as far back as a year ago or more, non-CP would get pretty active during prime time. It's because there's not a guarantee of pop, that it's now dead. People don't want to play in a dead campaign, no matter the balance or performance.

That sucks for NA, on EU during prime time both campaigns are pop locked for all 3 factions. The big difference between the two being that the CP campaign is akin to a power point presentation of what PvP could be, and no-CP is what has been presented in the power point presentation but fully functional.

My thoughts on this topic are that if CP PvP is to continue to not be playable with the numbers players and devs want, then the devs should absolutely balance for No-CP over CP. CP just doesn’t work, and one of the main causes for the lag is the CP that players defend. So it’s only sensible to focus on balancing the one that actually works over the other.

Also, implement an automatic No-CP duelling toggle!!

What evidence do you have that CP causes the lag? .I may have missed Devs stating or showing proof of this.

BNOC wrote: »

Bucky_13 wrote: »

Revokus wrote: »

Easy for you to say when you have a full group with healers following you 24/7. No-CP is absolutely terrible for solo player/2man and not everyone wants to be in a zerg to be successful.

No it isn't. I play mostly during prime time on EU, and often solo or with 1/2 other players. There is small scale there if you know where to look, and it can be pretty damn fun. When you want to, you can avoid the zergs & ball groups. Or delay an attack on a keep until reinforcements arrive. And there's some tower warriors who like to 1/2vs x and can do quite well, especially against pugs.

The guy you quoted summarised why bad players don't want this.

He can't play solo or 2 man with no CP, against other players, who also have no CP; The choices you have to make are too difficult for these people and that's why there's always fight back on this topic, because the majority are secretly incapable and scared of adjusting as to not be carried 24/7

Weak

Mannix1958 wrote: »

NeillMcAttack wrote: »

jcm2606 wrote: »

Heimpai wrote: »

No cp is dead, so I believe that a lot of players prefer there cp that they earned and can make builds the way they like

Non-CP is dead because the game's population can't support two active campaigns at the same time. Earlier this year, and especially as far back as a year ago or more, non-CP would get pretty active during prime time. It's because there's not a guarantee of pop, that it's now dead. People don't want to play in a dead campaign, no matter the balance or performance.

That sucks for NA, on EU during prime time both campaigns are pop locked for all 3 factions. The big difference between the two being that the CP campaign is akin to a power point presentation of what PvP could be, and no-CP is what has been presented in the power point presentation but fully functional.

My thoughts on this topic are that if CP PvP is to continue to not be playable with the numbers players and devs want, then the devs should absolutely balance for No-CP over CP. CP just doesn’t work, and one of the main causes for the lag is the CP that players defend. So it’s only sensible to focus on balancing the one that actually works over the other.

Also, implement an automatic No-CP duelling toggle!!

What evidence do you have that CP causes the lag? .I may have missed Devs stating or showing proof of this.

Basic performance is the proof....... Again the game doesn't remember your cp set up and has to check it probably every 3 seconds (even more in combat). So if 1000 people are in the same zone it has to check all 1000 cp every 3 seconds. Now 400 of you guys are fighting it goes from every 3 seconds to every 1 second. It has to then compare your cp vs every person you are fighting (maybe a 1V8) so someone steps in your aoe the game has to look for your damage output in cp combine it with your gear then compare it to 8 other people's cp because their resistances thus putting huge stress on the server. It isn't rocket science it's how coding has to work.

All above isn't even including walls being hit with balistas or npc fighting a long side others in pvp. This affects pvp and you can even see it in pve now. But yet the game feels 100% better inside non cp.............